GT: Nets vs. Grizzlies 1/3/2022 7:30pm EST (YES, NBA TV)

[Prokorov]

This is just embarrassing.

I don't even want to hear about effort when our stars have to play 41 minutes or turnovers when we literally play no shooters.

Do we have shooters? I mean, Edwards is the only guy sitting on the bench who is even a decent shooter, and he shot 41% in a whopping 5 game sample size.

I mean the general sentiment is that Nash just has this overwhelming abundance of snipers just glued to the bench and he has some pathological need to play Brown and Bembry and Johnson.

But like, what are the alternatives? Nobody else is any good either. The fact is, without Kyrie and Harris, our shooters are Durant, Harden, and Mills...and that's about it. Maybe Griffin and Aldridge too...they're not scaring anybody from 3 though.

I mean, i get we are missing some shooting with Joe/Kyrie... but i really dont want to hear excuses about shooting when you have KD/Harden/Mills. KD is one of the best shooters ever. Harden is like 4th all-time in threes and mills is like #2 or #3 in the NBA. If you cant find a way to create space without 5 shooters on the floor thats a coaching problem not a roster issue.

You have KD. he has insane gravity. we do nothing to take advantage of it. We have Mills, a siper, we basically have him stand still for 12 second and then maybe run to take a hand off and an offbalance three. nothing to move guys or make defenders switch off ball to stay glued on him. Claxton is a rim roller. he doesnt space you to the three point line but the big needs to account for him in the dunkers spot.

NBA teams get by without having 4-5 shooters with another 4-5 shooters off the bench.

We are 24th in the NBA 3PT makes per game. there is no way that should happen even if joe harris wasnt on the team let alone just injured. We need to stop running an offense where the first option is a contested KD midrange. he is lethal there, he should take a lot. that should be the third option. we should be getting tons of layups and threes with KD's gravity and Hardens ability to breakdown his man.

[Prokorov]

Do we have shooters? I mean, Edwards is the only guy sitting on the bench who is even a decent shooter, and he shot 41% in a whopping 5 game sample size.

I mean the general sentiment is that Nash just has this overwhelming abundance of snipers just glued to the bench and he has some pathological need to play Brown and Bembry and Johnson.

But like, what are the alternatives? Nobody else is any good either. The fact is, without Kyrie and Harris, our shooters are Durant, Harden, and Mills...and that's about it. Maybe Griffin and Aldridge too...they're not scaring anybody from 3 though.

How were we winning games before this? Kyrie and Harris have been gone for 90% of the season

That's kind of the point isn't it? We were winning a bunch of games without those two...despite poor spacing...which means poor spacing isn't suddenly the reason that we're losing games. I mean, until health and safety protocols, when did Edwards or Duke or Cam get consistent playing time this season?

I think we've simply hit a cold stretch, which is totally 100% normal...every team hits a losing streak every now and then.

Again, what are the alternatives to who Nash is playing? We do this all the time, we act like some no name rookie or G-league call up is the secret savior and the reason why we're losing is because they're not out there, and Nash is just some idiot for not seeing it.

Edwards is the one guy that kind of addresses this spacing issue (but again, it was a 5 game sample size, I have no idea if that's something that would have stayed that way or if he would have also fallen off), but that's just 1 player that you can make the argument for. Otherwise, I don't really see much else sitting on the bench that Nash is just wasting.

The thing is we havent been cold. durant was off tonight by KD/Harden were both player of the month good in december. they were both great the 2 prior losses from tonight. Harden is dropping 30 point triple doubles with KD dropping 35/8 and we STILL struggle offensively despite those guys giving us an efficient 60/25/20

[Prokorov]

Paraphrasing the post game interview:

Reporter: How do you think the team is supposed to get an offensive flow with all those non-shooting lineups?

Nash: I don't know.

Basically blaming this on the team not having Harris and Kyrie.

He is being honest... he doesnt know. its clear he doesnt have the acumen to implement and execute an offensive game plan to score points without 5-out with elite shooters at all 5 spots and 3 mega stars. he doesnt understand what the scouts give him and how to take advantage of weaknesses... thats clear last 2 games for sure:

clippers had no bigs. thye played mann at center for 22 minutes. we did nothing to take advantage of that lack of size.we didnt run inside out to create open shots or shots at the rim

memphis went super big. we did nothing to try and make adams guard on the perimeter or defend out in space. we did nothing to make bane work defensively to take some juice out of his legs on jumpers. Nash bitches about spacing but blake hit back to back three pick and pops and we didnt see him the rest of the game. We could have tried to go super small with KD at the 5 to play adams off the floor too. no creativity. Harden was already guarding adams a ton so its not like KD would have had to worry about that.

[Prokorov]

There is literally no space on the floor for them to operate. Nash has 3 non shooters out there at all times. We literally have Kessler and Thomas rotting on the bench.

Coaching absolutely is playing a huge role

Thank You. I don’t have no clue why some are still holding onto this great white hope that Nash knows what he’s doing.

He clearly could feel this game and see it needs someone like Cam or DDJ and he simply refuses to do a thing but stagger Harden and KD into oblivion.

No one is defending Nash.

But our players don't get a pass for dogging it out there today.

I dont think they dogged it. KD was end to end playing hard had a bunch of blocks/chase down blocks. Harden was giving effort on D. Bembry got after it a ton. Mills always plays hard. KD/Harden are being run into the ground. they cant sustain effort for 40 minutes especially playing behind and nash not doing anything to make it easy for them on offense.

KD needs to post up and work around physicality coming off screens just to dribble into a midrange shot. he does that 30 times a night while playing 40 minutes.

its like 90% coaching

[Prokorov]

Thank You. I don’t have no clue why some are still holding onto this great white hope that Nash knows what he’s doing.

He clearly could feel this game and see it needs someone like Cam or DDJ and he simply refuses to do a thing but stagger Harden and KD into oblivion.

No one is defending Nash.

But our players don't get a pass for dogging it out there today.

True. Durant has been horrible this past couple of games.. Anyways..We will win next one.

I doubt it. i dont see how. Kyrie isnt enough to solve these issues. especially on a minutes restriction

[Prokorov]

No one is defending Nash.

But our players don't get a pass for dogging it out there today.

True. Durant has been horrible this past couple of games.. Anyways..We will win next one.

Eh. Durant's 33yo, coming off a normally career-crippling injury, and Nash has him playing as point-forward and lead scorer on 40.1mpg in December. The problem can't possibly be Durant at this point.

Also, the 'book gets written' on a team as each season progresses, and it seems like Nash has made it as easy as possible for other teams to take away our strengths by using a limited playbook and limited rotation.

Not to mention, KD and Beard aren't excelling nearly as much as they should be together, and I wonder if that's -only- down to lack of shooters on the floor. Like, maybe it's also due to a lack of motion in the offense and lack of better plays. It's a thought, anyway.

I fear Kyrie coming back is going to mask some of these problems such that nothing much gets done. It may win us more games during the course of the season, while the long-term changes don't happen, starting with putting Jacques Vaughn or someone else in charge ASAP.

This is spot on. the nets are super easy to scout. and teams know KD struggle on a hard double team and will have to play 40 minutes where making him work reduces his efficiency

[Prokorov]

Nash: "like it or not we are a defensive team, we win with our defense and our defense wasnt good"

I get we have been good defensively this year. the idea a Kevin Durant led team has to "win with defense" is absurd

[Jay555]

I am pretty sure something is off. Harden has implied it again today. Check around 2.45 mins mark, Harden: There are things we need to correct internally and individually. I do not know what he refers to but something is def up.

@Prokorov, to your point about having the best scorers in KD and Harden and still lose games. Well, when your team gets distracted by something in the locker room, it kills the morale. Our morale atm vs before the losing streak is night and day..You can not overcome that.

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[Prokorov]

Harden: "we need to do a better job of making it easier for patty, getting him better looks"

shot at nash for sure

[Prokorov]

I am pretty sure something is off. Harden has implied it again today. Check around 2.45 mins mark, Harden: There are things we need to correct internally and individually. I do not know what he refers to but something is def up.

Watch on YouTube

its a shot at the coaches.he even goes as far as to dismiss that kyrie is a cure all. that kyrie is special but there are bigger issues.

its is 100% directed at coaching. Harden im sure isnt happy dantoni is gone. he knows the difference. im sure they all do

[Jay555]

I am pretty sure something is off. Harden has implied it again today. Check around 2.45 mins mark, Harden: There are things we need to correct internally and individually. I do not know what he refers to but something is def up.

Watch on YouTube

its a shot at the coaches.he even goes as far as to dismiss that kyrie is a cure all. that kyrie is special but there are bigger issues.

its is 100% directed at coaching. Harden im sure isnt happy dantoni is gone. he knows the difference. im sure they all do

Well, if that’s the case, I hope KD is ok with firing Nash. As much as he wants Nash to stay, it’s got to be done or we would not stand a chance even with Ky back.

[Prokorov]

I am pretty sure something is off. Harden has implied it again today. Check around 2.45 mins mark, Harden: There are things we need to correct internally and individually. I do not know what he refers to but something is def up.

Watch on YouTube

its a shot at the coaches.he even goes as far as to dismiss that kyrie is a cure all. that kyrie is special but there are bigger issues.

its is 100% directed at coaching. Harden im sure isnt happy dantoni is gone. he knows the difference. im sure they all do

Well, if that’s the case, I hope KD is ok with firing Nash. As much as he wants Nash to stay, it’s got to be done or we would not stand a chance even with Ky back.

KD has no attachment to nash. he was farmiliar with him from GS. he didnt object to his hiring. thats as far as it goes i think. Nash was marks pick, not KDs

[Prokorov]

Also, nash is a moron, but it may be more then just him. either his team is letting him fail or some of them suck too... we know Ime is awful

[gigantes]

I would just draw the line at Tsai letting Marks go. I mean that's not going to happen regardless, but even if it /was/ on the table, I think it way premature at this point.

Yes Marks screwed up badly with the Nash hire, but he's worked wonders starting with only a few grains of sand. We wouldn't be remotely near even bitching about our championship hopes if it wasn't for the man, so let's not forget how miraculously far he's brought the team in such an absurdly short time.

Also, Marks has shown he's pretty masterful at making the most out of paltry assets, and whether this version of the team works out or not, we're ironically going to need someone like Sean in the coming years to recover from the lost assets of the Beard trade.

But personally? I'd frankly like to see the guy eat crow and feel the heat a little bit over the Nash hire and maybe a couple other moves. It'll be well-deserved, and even helpful if the guy is who I think hope he is.

[Jay555]

Not sure how true this is.

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[GTR11]

I mean I'm not against rookies getting more time. But the idea that our issues are because we arent playing sharpe because of rebounding or cam thomas or something is ABSURD.

We have Kevin Durant and James Harden with quality pros around them and our offense is average. tonight it was AWFUL. for a ton of games this year its been awful. If you have Kevin Durant and cant muster a top 10 offense you need to retire as a coach. If you have Durant AND Harden and cant muster a top 10 offense you need to retire and send a hand written apology to every net fan whose attended a game this year.

Did we get pounded on the glass? yea. but that is NOT why we lost. we lost his game because our offense was abysmal. We have 2 elite stars but put 0 pressure on the defense to do anything. they dont need to move they dont need to switch they dont need to protect the rim they dont need to deal with multiple actions.

You know how you stop them from outrebounding us? by hunting adams and playing him off the floor by forcing him to guard KD/Harden/Mills in space. By making them work on both ends of the floor to take some gas out of their tank. of course they can crash the glass like mad men when they dont need to exert any effort on defense.

We do absolutely NOTHING to put our players in the best position to take advantage of the opponent. Kevin durant is unguardable but defense come out and dont even really need to do much to defend him. the nets willing take 10 seconds to get him the ball before a designed midrange shot. even if he makes it. the defense did next to nothing. if they double him the nets cant make them pay.

its really awful.

the other night Nash called the team out for being last... tonight they come out tonight and start the game giving up a 7-0 run. at home. Pathetic. if you cant motivate your team and your the worst in-game coach in the league you need to quit for the sake of the team.

Kyrie coming back is enormous, but its not enough to overcome nash. Marks needs to fire nash. if he wont do it Tsai needs to get rid of both of them.

I started quoting select sentences from one paragraph compared to another, than realized this entire post is amazing combination of contradictions. Only prok man

[GTR11]

It's a chain reaction to poor game plan. Than lack of spacing leads to turn over -> easy bucket -> frustration begin to spill due to bad rotation -> lack of effort-> etc etc you can add bunch of stuff that game shows. 9 offensive rebounds and 7 steals in a 1st Q. How in duh F*** you don't adjust?

This trend of s*** show started earlier pre covid protocols. Now Harden pretty much says this s*** can not continue ( and he's 100% right ) and something needs to be done. I'm not a fan of firing coaches in a middle of the season, but as Harden says this can not continue.


Part time Kyrie and healthy Joe will definitely help and improve few things. Just don't get it twisted, teams don't win chip with trash coach. It never happened before, never will happen in a future.

If your dumb azz can't make two elite players be productive on the court at the same time, you not belong doing this job, pure incompetence. You don't win in spite, you win due to.

[GTR11]

When you have elite nuclear weapons like KD and Harden it don't matter if they vets or rookies. That's why they elite and called franchise players, they elevate others games to another level. You just plug in pieces that work.

Sharp -> big body that can rebound, solid around the rim and have respectable jumper.
Kess -> prototypical 3and D guy. Shooting 41% form 3 on 3.5 attempts is good/great, you try to implement it anyway you can. His high energy is cherry on top.
Cam -> his scoring translated to NBA nicely.

Blake -> solid in limited role. Can be exposed for lack of shooting and being undersized.
JJ -> see Blake
LMA -> solid/great jump shooter if match up is right.
Brown/Bambry -> hustle high energy D players. Lack of reliable shooting can expose them.

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[GTR11]

It's a chain reaction to poor game plan. Than lack of spacing leads to turn over -> easy bucket -> frustration begin to spill due to bad rotation -> lack of effort-> etc etc you can add bunch of stuff that game shows. 9 offensive rebounds and 7 steals in a 1st Q. How in duh F*** you don't adjust?

This trend of s*** show started earlier pre covid protocols. Now Harden pretty much says this s*** can not continue ( and he's 100% right ) and something needs to be done. I'm not a fan of firing coaches in a middle of the season, but as Harden says this can not continue.


Part time Kyrie and healthy Joe will definitely help and improve few things. Just don't get it twisted, teams don't win chip with trash coach. It never happened before, never will happen in a future.

If your dumb azz can't make two elite players be productive on the court at the same time, you not belong doing this job, pure incompetence. You don't win in spite, you win due to.

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From 1.20 mark those were direct shots at Nash and assistants.

I love Harden for being 100% and not sugercaoting it. Did same thing with DJ.