Shams: Pacers Moving toward Rebuild; Receptive to Trade Talks

[boomershadow]

Where are y'all at right now in your thoughts of this team?

Blow it up

Any keepers? Or you dealing Duarte, Jackson, and the ticket takers, too?

And the half-time entertainment \M/

[Vorda]

Who is G-Alexander? There’s no one in the league or draft by the name. Do you mean Nickeil Walker-Alexander? If we don’t want Levert, why would we want NAW? They’re a pretty darned similar player in style and down to inefficiency, too.

Shai

[Scoot McGroot]

Who is G-Alexander? There’s no one in the league or draft by the name. Do you mean Nickeil Walker-Alexander? If we don’t want Levert, why would we want NAW? They’re a pretty darned similar player in style and down to inefficiency, too.

Shai

Oh. If we get the 2nd overall pick, OKC would definitely do that. But a 2nd round pick? There's no chance they consider it at all.

[Pacers Forever]

Good news is Pacers have 6th pick in upcoming draft. You all know how much I want a roster rebuild. Sad news is I just don’t know if Pritchard and crew can get it together and bring in 3 point threats, clutch shooters, and on ball defenders. I’m hoping Carlisle and his staff are better than the cluster truck season happening currently.

Not a lot out there I like in free agency next season but here’s my unrestricted guys I’d offer to.
Point G
J Brunson…..scorer
G Payton III….defense and hustle
P Beverly

Shoot G
M Monk…..scorer

In the coming off of injury category I’d look at
Warren
Sumner
Rubio
T Bryant
Assuming they recover and we can see that their game is close to previous level of play.

The better player option free agents probably won’t opt out to come here.

Not much in the team option free agents.

Restricted free agents maybe in trades could possibly get something.

So it’s hard to know what players the Pacers can obtain in trades but there’s more than a few I like but will other teams let go of those players under their control ? I won’t list them.

Here’s my good bye list.
Turner……trade
LeVert…..trade
Lamb….FA
Brogdon….trade
Craig…..trade filler
Goga ….trade because they aren’t using him

Keeper list
Sabonis
Duarte
Draft pick round 1
McConnell
Brissett
Jackson
Warren…resign if healthy

Bench category…. Whatever’s needed
Fill with cheap young free agents
Second round draft pick
Sykes, Washington, Martin
Cheap vets Lance and Thaddeus if cut

I’m in favor of building around Sabonis because of his scoring ability and rebounding. I think it’s easier to replace Turner’s rim protection ability than offense and rebounding Sabonis provides. Also Turner’s salary imho isn’t as efficiently warranted as Sabonis’s salary for the returns. No offense to Turner.

The Pacers need a serious talent upgrade.
I want shooters who will move and cut utilizing screens and Sabonis as a distributor when cutting. I want players who hustle and play confidently fast who set screens so their teammates get open.

I haven’t listed a lot of bigs because I’m thinking they might get 1-2 in trades.

I like how Duncan Robinson and T Herro are good at moving and shooting from deep off screens for example. Watching today’s NBA it’s a lot about 3 point shooting with accuracy and we all know the Pacers need so much help there. Duarte is just the beginning.

I’m all in for this proposed rebuilding but Pritchard has to continue building talent value in the roster like the Duarte pick was and hopefully getting young shooters or first round picks in trades.

[8305]

Where are y'all at right now in your thoughts of this team?

I'm willing to play out the year not because I'm in love with the roster but because we're going to be in the lottery unless Warren changes everything. If we do have a high pick, I don't want a trade to have forced who we take. I want the BPA before we move a starter as the rookie may dictate who to move

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That is something to consider. If Bancharo is the best guy and we score that pick, Turner looks like the better complimentary player.
Reasons I still lean toward doing something now
Don’t know if I can watch this much longer. As a fan I’m pretty close to “call me when you’ve at least attempted to fix this.”
If Turner is the one to go he will have less value as an expiring contract. If extended he isn’t tradable for the 22/23 season.

[Vorda]

Why do you want to keep Sabonis... against Knicks in 4th quarter.... TO, air ball, 2 misses FT, bad defence against Randle... he just doesnt fit here anymore...

[8305]

Why do you want to keep Sabonis... against Knicks in 4th quarter.... TO, air ball, 2 misses FT, bad defence against Randle... he just doesnt fit here anymore...

And in the two games where we beat the Knicks he owned Randle.

[Topofthekey]

Is it time to criticize Carlisle yet?

To be fair, he's shown a willingness to experiment and let guys have a shot at playing their way into the rotation, that's good. He's also been willing to give the rookies a role, that's also good

But his schemes seem to rely a lot of guard play, and bugger me our guards are terrible

Well, maybe not terrible, but they're definitely not a strength for our team

If there's one word to describe our team, it's mismatch. And now it seems like the mismatch extends to coaching as well

We're a team that's supposedly commited to the 2 big set up, but our coach favours the guards instead of the bigs. I read somewhere that Domas has seen a drastic reduction in touches this season compared to the last? Taking the ball out of the hands of our best player has not produced good results. How shocking

[Tom White]

Is it time to criticize Carlisle yet?

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We're a team that's supposedly commited to the 2 big set up, but our coach favours the guards instead of the bigs. I read somewhere that Domas has seen a drastic reduction in touches this season compared to the last? Taking the ball out of the hands of our best player has not produced good results. How shocking

You're late. I 've already been criticizing him for a while.
Also, Carlisle hates post up offense. He pretty much always has. HA! He is an ex-guard, so maybe he just doesn't understand post play.

[Pacers Forever]

I’m on the fence about Carlisle. I feel that the biggest problem creating multiple issues is the roster construction. It doesn’t help that the players appear to not like or want to run all of Carlisle’s offense.

So currently I blame the players and front office for decision to keep this roster intact. I haven’t given up on the coach and FO yet, however I don’t like the owner’s public stance of everything is fine. I’ve given up on some players due to their fit, selfish play(Brogdon and LeVert), and lack of playing time(Goga).

My hope is that Pritchard can swing some trade deadline deals to strategically move pieces to set up for a future rebuild creating cap flexibility and roster with better position depth.

[Wizop]

We're running out of gas against the Nets tonight, but when Brogdon, LeVert, and Duarte return Lance and Sykes could give us a much better second unit. I like Martin a lot but his roster spot may be needed for Lance. Maybe we can pay a team with cap space to take Lamb.

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[Scoot McGroot]

We're running out of gas against the Nets tonight, but when Brogdon, LeVert, and Duarte return Lance and Sykes could give us a much better second unit. I like Martin a lot but his roster spot may be needed for Lance. Maybe we can pay a team with cap space to take Lamb.

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Dumping Lamb would be ideal. It’s possible we could waive Sykes before his deal guarantees and do some contract juggling or a trade dump a little later to try and bring him back, too. But it’d be really hard to let a Lance expire at this point.


Keep in mind, Oshae, Kelan, and Keifer all guarantee for the season if not placed on waivers by January 7th. We’ll know some things soon.

[8305]

We're running out of gas against the Nets tonight, but when Brogdon, LeVert, and Duarte return Lance and Sykes could give us a much better second unit. I like Martin a lot but his roster spot may be needed for Lance. Maybe we can pay a team with cap space to take Lamb.

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Dumping Lamb would be ideal. It’s possible we could waive Sykes before his deal guarantees and do some contract juggling or a trade dump a little later to try and bring him back, too. But it’d be really hard to let a Lance expire at this point.


Keep in mind, Oshae, Kelan, and Keifer all guarantee for the season if not placed on waivers by January 7th. We’ll know some things soon.

Maybe buy out Lamb? Any chance he’d give something up for the right to shop for a favorable landing spot?

[Scoot McGroot]

We're running out of gas against the Nets tonight, but when Brogdon, LeVert, and Duarte return Lance and Sykes could give us a much better second unit. I like Martin a lot but his roster spot may be needed for Lance. Maybe we can pay a team with cap space to take Lamb.

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Dumping Lamb would be ideal. It’s possible we could waive Sykes before his deal guarantees and do some contract juggling or a trade dump a little later to try and bring him back, too. But it’d be really hard to let a Lance expire at this point.


Keep in mind, Oshae, Kelan, and Keifer all guarantee for the season if not placed on waivers by January 7th. We’ll know some things soon.

Maybe buy out Lamb? Any chance he’d give something up for the right to shop for a favorable landing spot?

Maybe, but probably not. At most, he’d give up a vet minimum equivalent for the rest of the year, as I doubt anyone is giving him more than that for this year. But even then, he’s not going to take a buyout without his agent first soliciting the market for a buyer, so we’d definitely hear reports of that from a bestwriter or a Woj. That usually gets leaked or is open knowledge when that happens.

[Wizop]

Keep in mind, Oshae, Kelan, and Keifer all guarantee for the season if not placed on waivers by January 7th. We’ll know some things soon.

soon = today??? tomorrow is the 7th.

[Scoot McGroot]

Keep in mind, Oshae, Kelan, and Keifer all guarantee for the season if not placed on waivers by January 7th. We’ll know some things soon.

soon = today??? tomorrow is the 7th.

Today or tomorrow. Plus, the 10 day Covid hardships are going to start drying up as guys come off the Covid list and clear for return to action.

[Wizop]

There are currently 30 players on standard NBA contracts whose 2021/22 salaries aren’t yet fully guaranteed. In most cases, those players will receive their full guarantees if they remain under contract through January 7. Because the league-wide salary guarantee date is January 10, a player must clear waivers before that date if a team wants to avoid being on the hook for his full salary.

The 30 players includes the 3 Scoot previously names.

[countryboy667]

Given last night, are we going to keep Lance beyond his ten day? We damned well badly need someone with his kind of wacky aggressiveness and I give a sh*t confidence to light a fire under some of the guys on our roster who seem to me to be just too satisfied doing just enough to draw a paycheck...you think any of those guys would have the cojones to blow in lebron's ear like Lance did? Love the guy!!! Give me a team full of guys like him and they might not win a title, but they would play every damned game waaaaay over their heads, win games they have no damned right to be winning based just on talent, and have a hell of a lot of fun doing it!

[Scoot McGroot]

Given last night, are we going to keep Lance beyond his ten day? We damned well badly need someone with his kind of wacky aggressiveness and I give a sh*t confidence to light a fire under some of the guys on our roster who seem to me to be just too satisfied doing just enough to draw a paycheck...you think any of those guys would have the cojones to blow in lebron's ear like Lance did? Love the guy!!! Give me a team full of guys like him and they might not win a title, but they would play every damned game waaaaay over their heads, win games they have no damned right to be winning based just on talent, and have a hell of a lot of fun doing it!

To be fair, that was 7 years ago.

Regardless of how one feels, it’s hard to see a way that Indy could let Lance walk after his performances this week, and with the fandom love. But the hard part is, they have to clear a roster spot, AND stay under the tax in doing so.

[Pacers Forever]

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