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srhcan wrote:Tired of Morey's drama, he is killing the team, should be fired to get things moving
druggas wrote:srhcan wrote:Tired of Morey's drama, he is killing the team, should be fired to get things moving
Who was it that passed up a dunk because he was too afraid? And then he has a boo boo lip because he was called on it? How is it Morey's fault that Simmons buckles under pressure? You're firing the wrong person.
bebopdeluxe wrote:Nuntius wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:
Out of curiosity, how many of the rumored trades do you think were initiated by Morey vs the other GM's calling him?
To date for some reason my impression has been that he's mostly fielding calls and thus he's asked for a lot given, they wanted to know what it would take with their pieces minus likely certain guys Morey would have wanted. It actually hadn't occurred to me that Morey might even be calling for any of the trades we've actually heard discussed.
A fair number of them. Portland and Toronto were initiated by Morey, imo.
Link, please?
dhsilv2 wrote:I could see Morey calling Portland with something like "hey looking to see where you are with lillard". And then perhaps their GM tried to test the CJ waters. Both sides essentially saying no thanks at this time.
dhsilv2 wrote:I can't see Morey calling Toronto this year. Maybe when lowry when there...?
srhcan wrote:Tired of Morey's drama, he is killing the team, should be fired to get things moving
Nuntius wrote:bebopdeluxe wrote:Nuntius wrote:
A fair number of them. Portland and Toronto were initiated by Morey, imo.
Link, please?
I see that dhsilv2 already answered this question but I'll answer it as well. As I said previously, I hate leaving things unanswered (even if it takes me days to answer sometimes).
There is no link here and I never said that a link existed. dhsilv2 clearly asked for my opinion (hence why he used the word think) and I gave him my opinion. That's all. That's just my opinion and I'm not treating it as a fact.
bebopdeluxe wrote:Nuntius wrote:bebopdeluxe wrote:
Link, please?
I see that dhsilv2 already answered this question but I'll answer it as well. As I said previously, I hate leaving things unanswered (even if it takes me days to answer sometimes).
There is no link here and I never said that a link existed. dhsilv2 clearly asked for my opinion (hence why he used the word think) and I gave him my opinion. That's all. That's just my opinion and I'm not treating it as a fact.
That's fine. But for something that is just your opinion, to state that Morey was the one that initiated discussions with the Blazers or Raptors would seem to suggest something more than just an opinion. I mean, how could you possibly know?
SpreeChokeJob wrote:srhcan wrote:Tired of Morey's drama, he is killing the team, should be fired to get things moving
Killing the team? They are in the sixth spot moving up to the fifth. If Embiid didn’t get sick they would be in the 1-4 spots.
The team probably even became motivated to show they are more important than the crybaby. Also other guys on the team are loving the minutes.
srhcan wrote:SpreeChokeJob wrote:srhcan wrote:Tired of Morey's drama, he is killing the team, should be fired to get things moving
Killing the team? They are in the sixth spot moving up to the fifth. If Embiid didn’t get sick they would be in the 1-4 spots.
The team probably even became motivated to show they are more important than the crybaby. Also other guys on the team are loving the minutes.
Looks like you are happy with being middle of the pack team with 1st/2nd round exit and wasting another year of Prime Embiid. Good Luck.
srhcan wrote:SpreeChokeJob wrote:srhcan wrote:Tired of Morey's drama, he is killing the team, should be fired to get things moving
Killing the team? They are in the sixth spot moving up to the fifth. If Embiid didn’t get sick they would be in the 1-4 spots.
The team probably even became motivated to show they are more important than the crybaby. Also other guys on the team are loving the minutes.
Looks like you are happy with being middle of the pack team with 1st/2nd round exit and wasting another year of Prime Embiid. Good Luck.
srhcan wrote:SpreeChokeJob wrote:srhcan wrote:Tired of Morey's drama, he is killing the team, should be fired to get things moving
Killing the team? They are in the sixth spot moving up to the fifth. If Embiid didn’t get sick they would be in the 1-4 spots.
The team probably even became motivated to show they are more important than the crybaby. Also other guys on the team are loving the minutes.
Looks like you are happy with being middle of the pack team with 1st/2nd round exit and wasting another year of Prime Embiid. Good Luck.
bebopdeluxe wrote:srhcan wrote:SpreeChokeJob wrote:
Killing the team? They are in the sixth spot moving up to the fifth. If Embiid didn’t get sick they would be in the 1-4 spots.
The team probably even became motivated to show they are more important than the crybaby. Also other guys on the team are loving the minutes.
Looks like you are happy with being middle of the pack team with 1st/2nd round exit and wasting another year of Prime Embiid. Good Luck.
This is a ridiculous take. If the Sixers get to the 2nd round, with both Maxey and Thybulle playing 30 mpg and establishing themselves as core players, that is definitely moving the ball forward, IMO. To simply take a low-ball offer to be “done” with Simmons is probably the WORST possible decision to make. And it is not like Embiid is 33 years old - he’s only 26, and still getting better. Better passer. Better 3-point shooter.
These GB takes about “OMG WASTING A SEASON OF EMBIIDS PRIME OMG OMG OMG” are freaking cringe-worthy. They really are.
SpreeChokeJob wrote:As opposed to what? If they don’t get a star, they are also a middle of the pack 1st/2nd round exit. What were they with Ben Simmons? Also a 1st/2nd round exit.srhcan wrote:SpreeChokeJob wrote: Killing the team? They are in the sixth spot moving up to the fifth. If Embiid didn’t get sick they would be in the 1-4 spots. The team probably even became motivated to show they are more important than the crybaby. Also other guys on the team are loving the minutes.
Looks like you are happy with being middle of the pack team with 1st/2nd round exit and wasting another year of Prime Embiid. Good Luck.
bebopdeluxe wrote:And it is not like Embiid is 33 years old - he’s only 26
LolNuntius wrote:bebopdeluxe wrote:And it is not like Embiid is 33 years old - he’s only 26
Um, what? Embiid is 27 years and 295 days old according to Basketball Reference -> https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01.html
He is turning 28 in 70 days.
Embiid is also a 7 foot, 280 lbs player who has struggled with injuries throughout his career. He has never played a full season. The chances of him still being in his prime after he becomes 30 are very slim. Realistically-speaking, the Sixers only have a couple of seasons to take advantage of Embiid's prime. That's their window.
Lou_23 wrote:LolNuntius wrote:bebopdeluxe wrote:And it is not like Embiid is 33 years old - he’s only 26
Um, what? Embiid is 27 years and 295 days old according to Basketball Reference -> https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01.html
He is turning 28 in 70 days.
Embiid is also a 7 foot, 280 lbs player who has struggled with injuries throughout his career. He has never played a full season. The chances of him still being in his prime after he becomes 30 are very slim. Realistically-speaking, the Sixers only have a couple of seasons to take advantage of Embiid's prime. That's their window.
This is the same people that said that he was Oden 2.0 ?
HotelVitale wrote:It's a little more subtle than that--assuming Simmons isn't coming back either way, then they are definitely better with someone like CJ or Brogdon or whatever this year, definitely increases their chances of making the 2nd rd and CF.
But they're also pretty much capped there for years then, no more moves to make and not much hope for getting over the hump for the next 3ish years of Prime Embiid people are so concerned about.
In my mind, anyone who feels super gung-ho about trading Simmons ASAP is probably missing the context, and anyone fully sold on holding out on trading him for a star is probably overselling the odds of that working out. Tough situation to have strong feels about.
Tomjas wrote:Just to get the thread on track, here’s what we actually know about the current situation
Simmons is living in Philly (his house in Jersey)
He’s not a distraction according to Seth Curry (Doc’s son in law) as he’s not around the team at all
His healthcare people are complying with everything that the Sixers ask of them
There’s rumours of fines but that’s all there’s been for quite some time
That’s literally it but carry on for another 84 pages
Embiid:
I’ll be honest. I thought the turning point was when we – I don’t know how to say it. But I thought the turning point was just, we had an open shot and we made one free throw and we missed the other and then they came down and scored and we didn’t get a good possession on the other end and Trae came back and he made a 3 and then, from there down four. And then I got – it’s on me. I turned the ball over, tried to make something happen from the perimeter. But I thought that was the turning point.
Embiid took responsibility for his late turnover (letting Gallinari poke the ball away then dunk on the ensuing fastbreak). But everyone is focusing on the Simmons part of that quote.
Mostly for good reason.
This fits a pattern of Embiid calling out Simmons’ scoring limitations.
As heartfelt as all of the comments may have seemed to everyone else, Simmons apparently isn't feeling it. According to The Athletic's Sam Amick, the messages by the team "fell flat," and Morey's specific example of comparing Simmons' situation to Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was seen as "laughable and out of touch."
Well that certainly isn't what the Sixers want to hear, but even more, Amick reports that Simmons doesn't want to play with Embiid anymore:
"People who have intimate knowledge of how he sees this situation continue to insist that he's done playing with Embiid. There's nothing personal about this choice, it seems, but the 25-year-old Simmons has clearly decided that his career is better off without Embiid blocking the runways in the paint that he so badly needs to succeed.
As he sees it, sources say, the organization's choice to build its basketball ecosystem around Embiid's style simply isn't conducive to the way he needs to play. So while Embiid insisted to reporters on Monday that he wants Simmons back, this much is clear: The feeling is not mutual."
While Embiid noted that he still thinks the Sixers are better off with the Defensive Player of the Year runner-up on the court, he also pushed back against the idea that Simmons' unhappiness with his role in Philadelphia is somehow his fault. Embiid said that he has altered his own game to better fit alongside Simmons, and added that he feels like Philadelphia's rosters have consistently been built around Simmons, who prefers to operate with the ball in his hands due to his inability to space the floor with a shot. Both of those things are objectively true.
"It was kind of surprising to see," Embiid said of the report. "We'll say that, even going back to, the reason we signed Al [Horford]. We got rid of Jimmy [Butler], which I still think was a mistake, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands, and that's the decision they made. Like I said, it is surprising...
Is Simmons’ effort level putting the desired pressure on Sixers GM Daryl Morey to trade him? Doesn’t sound like it.
“People should buckle in, this is going to go a long time because our only task, my only job is to help us get the best chance to win the title,” Morey said on the Mike Missanelli Show on 97.5 The Fanatic.
Morey made the point continually that Simmons is a “difference maker” as a player and that all the trade offers that have come in for him so far involve Philly getting “role players,” and that’s not good enough. He wants players who help the 76ers contend.
“Ben Simmons is a difference maker,” Morey said. “Right now, I know there are people who are down on Ben Simmons, and there are good reasons for that from multiple perspectives both on the floor and off, but the reality is this guy is a multi-time All-Star… who is one of the most impactful defensive players in the league.
“This is a very good player, and to give ourselves the best chance to win the title, you need difference makers, you don’t need role players.”
SA37 wrote:Tomjas wrote:Just to get the thread on track, here’s what we actually know about the current situation
Simmons is living in Philly (his house in Jersey)
He’s not a distraction according to Seth Curry (Doc’s son in law) as he’s not around the team at all
His healthcare people are complying with everything that the Sixers ask of them
There’s rumours of fines but that’s all there’s been for quite some time
That’s literally it but carry on for another 84 pages
Perhaps its selective amnesia, but you've completely obviated 4 major issues that, in combination, are probably unresolvable given how public they have been:
1.Embiid:
I’ll be honest. I thought the turning point was when we – I don’t know how to say it. But I thought the turning point was just, we had an open shot and we made one free throw and we missed the other and then they came down and scored and we didn’t get a good possession on the other end and Trae came back and he made a 3 and then, from there down four. And then I got – it’s on me. I turned the ball over, tried to make something happen from the perimeter. But I thought that was the turning point.
Embiid took responsibility for his late turnover (letting Gallinari poke the ball away then dunk on the ensuing fastbreak). But everyone is focusing on the Simmons part of that quote.
Mostly for good reason.
This fits a pattern of Embiid calling out Simmons’ scoring limitations.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/06/21/joel-embiid-brings-up-ben-simmons-not-dunking-as-turning-point-in-game-7/
2.As heartfelt as all of the comments may have seemed to everyone else, Simmons apparently isn't feeling it. According to The Athletic's Sam Amick, the messages by the team "fell flat," and Morey's specific example of comparing Simmons' situation to Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was seen as "laughable and out of touch."
Well that certainly isn't what the Sixers want to hear, but even more, Amick reports that Simmons doesn't want to play with Embiid anymore:
"People who have intimate knowledge of how he sees this situation continue to insist that he's done playing with Embiid. There's nothing personal about this choice, it seems, but the 25-year-old Simmons has clearly decided that his career is better off without Embiid blocking the runways in the paint that he so badly needs to succeed.
As he sees it, sources say, the organization's choice to build its basketball ecosystem around Embiid's style simply isn't conducive to the way he needs to play. So while Embiid insisted to reporters on Monday that he wants Simmons back, this much is clear: The feeling is not mutual."
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/76ers-ben-simmons-no-longer-wants-to-play-alongside-joel-embiid-due-to-big-mans-playing-style-per-report/
3.While Embiid noted that he still thinks the Sixers are better off with the Defensive Player of the Year runner-up on the court, he also pushed back against the idea that Simmons' unhappiness with his role in Philadelphia is somehow his fault. Embiid said that he has altered his own game to better fit alongside Simmons, and added that he feels like Philadelphia's rosters have consistently been built around Simmons, who prefers to operate with the ball in his hands due to his inability to space the floor with a shot. Both of those things are objectively true.
"It was kind of surprising to see," Embiid said of the report. "We'll say that, even going back to, the reason we signed Al [Horford]. We got rid of Jimmy [Butler], which I still think was a mistake, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands, and that's the decision they made. Like I said, it is surprising...
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/joel-embiid-calls-ben-simmons-situation-borderline-disrespectful-says-76ers-are-built-around-simmons/
4.Is Simmons’ effort level putting the desired pressure on Sixers GM Daryl Morey to trade him? Doesn’t sound like it.
“People should buckle in, this is going to go a long time because our only task, my only job is to help us get the best chance to win the title,” Morey said on the Mike Missanelli Show on 97.5 The Fanatic.
Morey made the point continually that Simmons is a “difference maker” as a player and that all the trade offers that have come in for him so far involve Philly getting “role players,” and that’s not good enough. He wants players who help the 76ers contend.
“Ben Simmons is a difference maker,” Morey said. “Right now, I know there are people who are down on Ben Simmons, and there are good reasons for that from multiple perspectives both on the floor and off, but the reality is this guy is a multi-time All-Star… who is one of the most impactful defensive players in the league.
“This is a very good player, and to give ourselves the best chance to win the title, you need difference makers, you don’t need role players.”
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/21/morey-on-simmons-people-should-buckle-in-this-is-going-to-go-a-long-time/