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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#81 » by MrSparkle » Wed Jan 5, 2022 12:15 am

DxC17 wrote:What would it take to get Dorian Finney-Smith from Dallas? That's a guy who I think could immediately slot in as the 4 in Billy's lineup. Big frame, solid athleticism with a 7 foot wingspan. Has grown into a very serviceable option from deep, averaging 37%+ on ~5 3PA over the past three seasons. Marginally positive on both ends of the court, which is phenomenal balance from your 5th starter.

Expiring contract, Dallas might be tempted to move him & they're kind of in no man's land cap wise for the next two seasons. It doesn't help them "win now", but they gotta try something. They're sitting on $30 million of dead weight in Hardaway and Bullock, which are looking like just horrible deals for them. Maybe a pick & TBJ can get this done on its own.

Alternatively, if we desire a bigger package from DAL, we can try to pry Kleber (or Powell?) away too. That's where Coby likely enters the deal, and this could make a lot for Dallas as they have a Jalen Brunson problem on their hands & no one in the ranks to replace him as the team's secondary ballhandler & shot creator. Having a top 10 pick like Coby under rookie scale contract for next season likely helps them a lot as they figure out what to do with their bad contracts & retool around Luka. TBJ can also help them as an additional ball handler off the bench as they have a lot of guys that stand around & catch the ball from Luka but don't do much else.


Bulls get:

Dorian Finney-Smith - 4m, UFA
Maxi Kleber - $8.75m 21-22, $9m 22-23

Dallas gets:

Coby White - $7.4m 22-23
TBJ - $5.1m, RFA
Tony Bradley - $2m, 22-23 (player option)

Does Dallas hang up the phone? Taking two of a playoff team's top 7 rotational guys is a lot, especially two who are among the team's few net positives.

But I really think this is the type of lowkey deal that can really round out our roster weaknesses. Trade machine says yes FWIW


Why would they hang up? I think they'd take it and run. Their season looks like it's in the dumps since Luka is having a huge off-year, and you're giving them 2 talented prospects for an expiring and role-player bench big, who if he was so good, would play more than 20 mpg on a sub-500 squad. Probably the type of trade that would make the Bulls look like idiots in no time- throwing a bunch of trade tokens away. DFS is looking to get paid.

I'd like DFS, but I don't want to pay a steep trade price on top of having to probably pay him his max ($55m) to not lose him to the MLE market. I'd sooner wait and just offer the MLE, if DAL has second thoughts. They seem to be making plenty of irrational off-season decisions, so maybe letting Finney walk is another waiting to happen.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#82 » by gobullschi » Wed Jan 5, 2022 3:24 am

madvillian wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:Grant is maybe an average below 3 point shooter , those near 39% 3 point shooting was when he taking under 4 attempts anything above he dropped to 35% or less


He's hoisting a lot of desperate heaves in Detroit tho. As the 3rd or 4th option in Chicago he'd look a lot better I'd imagine.


He’s also not going to be hoisting more than 3 attempts as the 3rd/4th option on this team.

Grant is an excellent two-way player that would be a phenomenal fit on this roster. My concern would be Chemistry. Grant left Denver because he wanted a bigger role on offense. He’s not going to get that here.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#83 » by gobullschi » Wed Jan 5, 2022 3:41 am

DxC17 wrote:Bulls get:

Dorian Finney-Smith - 4m, UFA
Maxi Kleber - $8.75m 21-22, $9m 22-23

Dallas gets:

Coby White - $7.4m 22-23
TBJ - $5.1m, RFA
Tony Bradley - $2m, 22-23 (player option)

Does Dallas hang up the phone? Taking two of a playoff team's top 7 rotational guys is a lot, especially two who are among the team's few net positives.

But I really think this is the type of lowkey deal that can really round out our roster weaknesses. Trade machine says yes FWIW


DFS is an interesting option. Would the Bulls extend him? Hows his defense? IMO, the smaller deal makes more sense.

With the addition of Lonzo & Caruso, Coby is a luxury to have on this team. He can help win games when he’s hitting shots. There is no rush to move Coby. Let him continue to develop and BD can tighten his leash come playoff time.

I don’t get the Kleber love on this board. I swear it’s like someone read this ridiculous article on Fansided (https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesmokingcuban.com/2020/12/14/mavericks-maxi-kleber-defender/amp/) and declared it reality. In 2019, Giannis nearly dropped 50 on him. We supposed to forget that?
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#84 » by BullChit » Wed Jan 5, 2022 11:07 am

gobullschi wrote:
madvillian wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:Grant is maybe an average below 3 point shooter , those near 39% 3 point shooting was when he taking under 4 attempts anything above he dropped to 35% or less


He's hoisting a lot of desperate heaves in Detroit tho. As the 3rd or 4th option in Chicago he'd look a lot better I'd imagine.


He’s also not going to be hoisting more than 3 attempts as the 3rd/4th option on this team.

Grant is an excellent two-way player that would be a phenomenal fit on this roster. My concern would be Chemistry. Grant left Denver because he wanted a bigger role on offense. He’s not going to get that here.


What are the chances he has learnt the lesson that he isn't a number 1 option and shouldn't have a bigger role on offence? .......

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Post#85 » by RSP83 » Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:46 pm

gobullschi wrote:
madvillian wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:Grant is maybe an average below 3 point shooter , those near 39% 3 point shooting was when he taking under 4 attempts anything above he dropped to 35% or less


He's hoisting a lot of desperate heaves in Detroit tho. As the 3rd or 4th option in Chicago he'd look a lot better I'd imagine.


He’s also not going to be hoisting more than 3 attempts as the 3rd/4th option on this team.

Grant is an excellent two-way player that would be a phenomenal fit on this roster. My concern would be Chemistry. Grant left Denver because he wanted a bigger role on offense. He’s not going to get that here.


I think he'd love to play for a winning team like the Bulls, get paid his current salary, and still get to put up All-Star numbers. But, yes that could be an issue, and that's why I really appreciate what Vuc is doing. Accepting his reduced role in Chicago. But at the same time Vuc's been there done that as far as individual accolades, something that Grant aspires at this point of his career.

If we want a player like Grant, I'd rather we focus on developing Pat. Because it is very possible that Pat develops into Jerami Grant.
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Post#86 » by dougthonus » Wed Jan 5, 2022 1:47 pm

BullChit wrote:What are the chances he has learnt the lesson that he isn't a number 1 option and shouldn't have a bigger role on offence? .......


I have no idea what lessons he's learned, but here's one I have learned. Most players want to get paid and will take the option they think will get them the most money. Jerami Grant may feel being the man (even if not great) will earn him a lot more than being the 4a/4b option on the Bulls and if he thinks that, he's probably right.
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Post#87 » by Tetlak » Wed Jan 5, 2022 2:10 pm

We probably need to stop pining for important pieces on playoff teams. It's not feasible to get guys like Kleber or DFS unfortunately. Batum might be the only available one since their season can go downhill quick at this point. Maybe Kyle Anderson, because the Grizz have proven they have no hesitation moving good players during this stage of their development.
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NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#88 » by StunnerKO » Wed Jan 5, 2022 2:33 pm

dougthonus wrote:
BullChit wrote:What are the chances he has learnt the lesson that he isn't a number 1 option and shouldn't have a bigger role on offence? .......


I have no idea what lessons he's learned, but here's one I have learned. Most players want to get paid and will take the option they think will get them the most money. Jerami Grant may feel being the man (even if not great) will earn him a lot more than being the 4a/4b option on the Bulls and if he thinks that, he's probably right.

I think Denver offered him the same amount of money Det did he strictly didn’t want to be a lesser option in Denver on a championship team and for that I have a hard time giving up Pat for a guy I don’t think will want to go back to being lesser on top of his bad rebounding , meh offensive game and average below spacing . Bulls really don’t need to make a home run trade unless a true home run talent is on the market and that’s not Barnes , Grant or Wood neither one of those guys I’ll give Pat for . Anything less sure
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#89 » by sco » Wed Jan 5, 2022 2:45 pm

Tetlak wrote:We probably need to stop pining for important pieces on playoff teams. It's not feasible to get guys like Kleber or DFS unfortunately. Batum might be the only available one since their season can go downhill quick at this point. Maybe Kyle Anderson, because the Grizz have proven they have no hesitation moving good players during this stage of their development.

IDK, DAL is 4 games ahead of 10th place, it's possible. IMO the best bet is with POR. Their 1st has the most value to them (as they can remove the protection and upgrade it as a trade chip) and neither Covington nor Nance are likely key pieces. Also, I'd love Nurk and/or McLemore (who's been good recently).
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Post#90 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:11 pm

Coby White for Brandon Clarke and Sam Merrill
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Post#91 » by BahamaBull » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:53 pm

PWill and DJJ for Harrison Barnes. Thats the trade I think will push us over the top.

Gives us an amazing starting 5 of Ball, Lavine, Demar, Barnes and Vuch with Caruso, Coby, Ayo, Green off the bench.

Why trade for so so players? I'd rather ride with guys we have...Would only trade if Im getting Barnes/Grant material.
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Post#92 » by Chi town » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:37 pm

I’d like to see Simmons and Maxey for Fox.
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Post#93 » by HoopsterJones » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:42 pm

BahamaBull wrote:PWill and DJJ for Harrison Barnes. Thats the trade I think will push us over the top.

Gives us an amazing starting 5 of Ball, Lavine, Demar, Barnes and Vuch with Caruso, Coby, Ayo, Green off the bench.

Why trade for so so players? I'd rather ride with guys we have...Would only trade if Im getting Barnes/Grant material.


If that is all it costs to land Barnes, I’m all in on that.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#94 » by MalagaBulls » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:54 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265330/Lakers-Covertly-Explored-Trade-Of-Russell-Westbrook

LMFAO, Lebron´s Geritol team isn´t working as planned, maybe they need to take up knitting as this point.

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Post#95 » by nomorezorro » Wed Jan 5, 2022 7:29 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Coby White for Brandon Clarke and Sam Merrill


grizzlies are a hard team to trade with because it seems like they need a consolidation move more than anything. clarke should be no big loss to them at this point, but does a team with morant/bane/brooks/de'anthony melton/tyus jones really need to add coby white
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Post#96 » by mtron32 » Wed Jan 5, 2022 7:33 pm

I want them to go for Christian Wood, send Pat and TBJ and a pick. Make that happen
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Post#97 » by HoopsterJones » Wed Jan 5, 2022 7:43 pm

mtron32 wrote:I want them to go for Christian Wood, send Pat and TBJ and a pick. Make that happen


I’ll be honest. Christian Wood’s recent conduct and dip in efficiency has soured me on the prospect of trading for him. Certainly not for P Will and a FRP.
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Post#98 » by mtron32 » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:10 pm

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mtron32 wrote:I want them to go for Christian Wood, send Pat and TBJ and a pick. Make that happen


I’ll be honest. Christian Wood’s recent conduct and dip in efficiency has soured me on the prospect of trading for him. Certainly not for P Will and a FRP.

I get ALL of that, but for what we need in this run: rebounding, interior size, 10-15 extra ppg, we have to at least kick the tires. Get him to Chicago around this crew and see if his defense doesn't also improve. Him next to Vooch would be a problem.
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Post#99 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:30 pm

nomorezorro wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Coby White for Brandon Clarke and Sam Merrill


grizzlies are a hard team to trade with because it seems like they need a consolidation move more than anything. clarke should be no big loss to them at this point, but does a team with morant/bane/brooks/de'anthony melton/tyus jones really need to add coby white

I mean you're not wrong.

Although Tyus Jones is expiring and could potentially start somewhere. That's one reason. If the Grizz don't feel like they can afford to retain Tyus. White has that extra year of team control and will be a RFA afterwards.
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Post#100 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:36 pm

I am on team Christian Wood though.

At a minimum, that gives us a very good back-up 5 which has been a weak spot for us.

It also protects us in the playoffs as it is very likely we'll encounter situations where you don't want Vuc on the floor (especially if we advance a round or two).

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