Tank World Order (7.0)

[tdotrep2]

what is the point of discussing possible prospects....when our own Scottie Barnes was not on anyones radar even on draft day?

Raptor fans were crying it wasnt Suggs until after the season started.

he was definitely on the radar alot of the guys doing well were on the radar

One prominent tanker said "thankfully we won the lottery and moved up to 4 so we don't have to talk about guys like scottie barnes".

right, but he was on the radar

[mdenny]

he was definitely on the radar alot of the guys doing well were on the radar

One prominent tanker said "thankfully we won the lottery and moved up to 4 so we don't have to talk about guys like scottie barnes".

right, but he was on the radar

On the TWO when we had the 7.
Not on the TWO when we climbed to 4.

To be fair...he wasnt on my radar at the 4 neither.

[TRik]

Transfixed Watching Omicron

[TRik]

Damn we’re already on thread 7?

Right on time for the upcoming tough schedule

18-20 before the road trip and then who knows. We really can't tank because we aren't trading away a core piece but we can naturally still easily land in the lottery.

19-24 or 20-23 after the road trip changes the mood here quickly though.

We just need Fred to take 25+ shots a game and not get others involved and we’ll be just fine.

[God Squad]

I voted "I don’t know currently, going to wait and see." Which has always been my mindset, but I also acknowledge that we need-could use an infusion of youth and talent ala Scottie. I'm waiting for Masai to pick a direction.

But I really do like watching and projecting what these young kids will become once in the league and love being pleasantly surprised by the undervalued. I've always loved watching young stars come into their own.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

If and when healthy, this is a Top 6 team in the East. With a better bench, it's a Top 5 team.

Suppose we get the 6th seed, we're still not getting anywhere and we will have no high draft picks. We will need to get really lucky and hit on a mid 20s draft pick.

If 3 years from now, our players develop well (Scottie & Fred are all-stars, Siakam and Trent are high end starters), that's still not good enough to win. We need a bonafide top 10 player. The Suns look amazing now, but they don't have any top 10 players, they will not win the championship.

Too many people on this board cannot think that far ahead.

They also have memories of goldfish. Cognitive blind spots by choice.

Goldfish are known for their orange hues and terrible memories. One common saying even claims that these creatures have a mere 3-second recall. However, this is a complete myth that, despite its lack of scientific backing, has spread widely and remained largely undisputed by the public for decades

[GreatWhiteStiff]

what is the point of discussing possible prospects....when our own Scottie Barnes was not on anyones radar even on draft day?

Raptor fans were crying it wasnt Suggs until after the season started.

he was definitely on the radar alot of the guys doing well were on the radar

One prominent tanker said "thankfully we won the lottery and moved up to 4 so we don't have to talk about guys like scottie barnes".

I remember that, haha! Anyways by drafting barnes at four, we quite possibly missed out on better prospects available in the late lottery, a point doug smith made in a newspaper article last year. But no one wants to think about that.

[CoinTossRoss31]

what is the point of discussing possible prospects....when our own Scottie Barnes was not on anyones radar even on draft day?

Raptor fans were crying it wasnt Suggs until after the season started.

he was definitely on the radar alot of the guys doing well were on the radar

One prominent tanker said "thankfully we won the lottery and moved up to 4 so we don't have to talk about guys like scottie barnes".

Man I remember that comment
To be fair though no one wanted Scottie when we moved up to 4. The expectation was that we would get the remaining star left from the top 4 heavy draft (Cade, Green, Mobley, Suggs).

But I do remember alot of people being bummed about most likely getting 7-8 draft position and not having a chance at Scottie because he was going to go top 6.

Let's not act like Scottie was a teens prospect we took at #4. (Like how we took Ross at 8 when most places had him mocked 14-18). Scottie was always going top 5 most likely

[Parataxis]

Regarding the poll. The ideal would absolutely be to add another lottery pick with star potential to the team.

But that won't happen. We're not bad enough to finish in the bottom 5.

[720]

Regarding the poll. The ideal would absolutely be to add another lottery pick with star potential to the team.

But that won't happen. We're not bad enough to finish in the bottom 5.

Top 10 has a lot of great players. I'm sure we can find someone that has high potential if we pick in that 10-12 range. Maybe not a sure fire thing like picking top 5 but still a much better position to be in than say picking in that 16-18 range. Since at 10-12 you get first dibs on players falling out of the top 8.

[720]

he was definitely on the radar alot of the guys doing well were on the radar

One prominent tanker said "thankfully we won the lottery and moved up to 4 so we don't have to talk about guys like scottie barnes".

Man I remember that comment
To be fair though no one wanted Scottie when we moved up to 4. The expectation was that we would get the remaining star left from the top 4 heavy draft (Cade, Green, Mobley, Suggs).

But I do remember alot of people being bummed about most likely getting 7-8 draft position and not having a chance at Scottie because he was going to go top 6.

Let's not act like Scottie was a teens prospect we took at #4. (Like how we took Ross at 8 when most places had him mocked 14-18). Scottie was always going top 5 most likely

I would say something like 70-80 percent of the board was bummed out when we picked Barnes. I know I was. Mainly because Suggs looked like the more skill prospect and I had guys like Kuminga higher than Barnes. Also Barnes for most of the year was in that 11-8 range and then all of a sudden flew up in the draft after the combine. But the very next day after the draft I changed my tune and said Barnes must be special for Masai and Bobby to take such a big risk. Then summer league happened and it was history from there. Kid is a stud.

[Parataxis]

Regarding the poll. The ideal would absolutely be to add another lottery pick with star potential to the team.

But that won't happen. We're not bad enough to finish in the bottom 5.

Top 10 has a lot of great players. I'm sure we can find someone that has high potential if we pick in that 10-12 range. Maybe not a sure fire thing like picking top 5 but still a much better position to be in than say picking in that 16-18 range. Since at 10-12 you get first dibs on players falling out of the top 8.

We can probably find somebody with high potential, and a future starter in that 10-14 range, absolutely. But by then, anybody with legitimate expected star potential is going to be gone.

It just feels like there's a gulf of difference between tanking to draft somebody like Barnes, and tanking to draft somebody like Poetl.

[Kreamy]

Orlando, Detroit and Houston seem to have 1-3 locked up.

The second tier includes OKC, New Orleans, Portland, Indiana, San Antonio and Sacramento in the 4-9 range.

Realistically we're looking at 10-14. Of course a lot can happen with the lottery but we might be able to pick up AJ Griffin or someone that drops.

[720]

Orlando, Detroit and Houston seem to have 1-3 locked up.

The second tier includes OKC, New Orleans, Portland, Indiana, San Antonio and Sacramento in the 4-9 range.

Realistically we're looking at 10-14. Of course a lot can happen with the lottery but we might be able to pick up AJ Griffin or someone that drops.

I think if we have 10 we will get one of Baldwin JR, Griffin, Mathurin, Keegan Murry or Jaden Hardy. Which isn't bad at all.

[720]

Tankathons mocks are TOTALLY off but thinking about the Celtics possibly getting Mathurin (again, totally off Mathurin is probably long gone by 13) sorta annoys me.

[Madhouse]

Regarding the poll. The ideal would absolutely be to add another lottery pick with star potential to the team.

But that won't happen. We're not bad enough to finish in the bottom 5.

Top 10 has a lot of great players. I'm sure we can find someone that has high potential if we pick in that 10-12 range. Maybe not a sure fire thing like picking top 5 but still a much better position to be in than say picking in that 16-18 range. Since at 10-12 you get first dibs on players falling out of the top 8.

We can probably find somebody with high potential, and a future starter in that 10-14 range, absolutely. But by then, anybody with legitimate expected star potential is going to be gone.

It just feels like there's a gulf of difference between tanking to draft somebody like Barnes, and tanking to draft somebody like Poetl.

If you are tanking to draft Poeltl you have failed as an organization.

10-14 draft slots have produced tons of Allstars though that should be the goal to draft the next Klay Thompson, Booker, Bam

[Los_29]

Top 10 has a lot of great players. I'm sure we can find someone that has high potential if we pick in that 10-12 range. Maybe not a sure fire thing like picking top 5 but still a much better position to be in than say picking in that 16-18 range. Since at 10-12 you get first dibs on players falling out of the top 8.

We can probably find somebody with high potential, and a future starter in that 10-14 range, absolutely. But by then, anybody with legitimate expected star potential is going to be gone.

It just feels like there's a gulf of difference between tanking to draft somebody like Barnes, and tanking to draft somebody like Poetl.

If you are tanking to draft Poeltl you have failed as an organization.

10-14 draft slots have produced tons of Allstars though that should be the goal to draft the next Klay Thompson, Booker, Bam

It's not that teams tank to draft Poeltl but sometimes that's the best that is available which was the case in 2016. After Poeltl and Sabonis there weren't any good players selected until we drafted Pascal.

This highlights why tanking is such a poor strategy. Poeltl is a nice piece to have but you'd be hoping for a lot better. Unfortunately, that's not the reality of the draft. Sometimes guys like him are the best available.

[DelAbbot]

Lmfao. Giannis see you in the playoffs

[Yeezus_]

he was definitely on the radar alot of the guys doing well were on the radar

One prominent tanker said "thankfully we won the lottery and moved up to 4 so we don't have to talk about guys like scottie barnes".

Man I remember that comment
To be fair though no one wanted Scottie when we moved up to 4. The expectation was that we would get the remaining star left from the top 4 heavy draft (Cade, Green, Mobley, Suggs).

But I do remember alot of people being bummed about most likely getting 7-8 draft position and not having a chance at Scottie because he was going to go top 6.

Let's not act like Scottie was a teens prospect we took at #4. (Like how we took Ross at 8 when most places had him mocked 14-18). Scottie was always going top 5 most likely

Some guy was getting annoyed that there were rumours that we were going to take Scottie leading up to the draft. His logic was, "there is a consensus top 4, Masai needs to stick to it and take Suggs."

I'm just like bro we got Tolzman and Masai evaluating talent, if they think Scottie is the best player available then trust them to make the right pick. They have the information and data to make a more rational and logical decision than a bunch of random online posters listening to podcasts and watching scouting videos. Raptors have a history of making the right pick so what's the point of getting mad unless it's proven its a bad pick. I think they deserve that kind of trust.

People get attached to certain draft picks and it clouds their opinion when they are convinced it's right.

[Madhouse]

he was definitely on the radar alot of the guys doing well were on the radar

One prominent tanker said "thankfully we won the lottery and moved up to 4 so we don't have to talk about guys like scottie barnes".

Man I remember that comment
To be fair though no one wanted Scottie when we moved up to 4. The expectation was that we would get the remaining star left from the top 4 heavy draft (Cade, Green, Mobley, Suggs).

But I do remember alot of people being bummed about most likely getting 7-8 draft position and not having a chance at Scottie because he was going to go top 6.

Let's not act like Scottie was a teens prospect we took at #4. (Like how we took Ross at 8 when most places had him mocked 14-18). Scottie was always going top 5 most likely

He was the 5th rated prospect who we took at #4 and Ford/Thorpe had him at 2 and 3. It wasn't really much of a surprise.