Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

Larry_Russell · Post #401 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:41 pm

GoGreen wrote:If there's a deadline trade, it'll probably be a boring one like sending out Schro or whatever pieces to get under the tax. Wonder if the Hawks would just do a Schro/Reddish swap.

Doubt it, but one can dream

Godaddycurse · Post #402 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:57 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
thebirdman wrote:Horford+Richardson+Hernangomez+Schröder for Galinari+Bogdanovic+Reddish

IMO that Gallinari contract could be real useful in an offseason trade as it can be waived by 6/22/22 and only cost 5 million dollars.

So unless I am mistaken, you can trade him prior June 22 (along with 5 million in cash) and you have just completely free salary cap space for whatever team is getting him.

For example
Beal wants to come to boston and we facilitate a sign and trade.

Gallo
5 million in cash
Richardson (exp)
Nesmith

would allow Beal to resign at 33 million and the "on the books salary" for washington to only be about 13 million after dropping Gallo.

They made that illegal now. you have to fully guarantee the 21M to use it as a matching salary.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #403 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:45 pm

thebirdman wrote:Horford+Richardson+Hernangomez+Schröder for Galinari+Bogdanovic+Reddish

I like the return, but Boston's pretty thin at center. Would need to find a Rob Williams backup asap.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #404 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:47 pm

GoGreen wrote:If there's a deadline trade, it'll probably be a boring one like sending out Schro or whatever pieces to get under the tax. Wonder if the Hawks would just do a Schro/Reddish swap.

If Boston adds a FRP, maybe.

Larry_Russell · Post #405 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:56 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
thebirdman wrote:Horford+Richardson+Hernangomez+Schröder for Galinari+Bogdanovic+Reddish

IMO that Gallinari contract could be real useful in an offseason trade as it can be waived by 6/22/22 and only cost 5 million dollars.

So unless I am mistaken, you can trade him prior June 22 (along with 5 million in cash) and you have just completely free salary cap space for whatever team is getting him.

For example
Beal wants to come to boston and we facilitate a sign and trade.

Gallo
5 million in cash
Richardson (exp)
Nesmith

would allow Beal to resign at 33 million and the "on the books salary" for washington to only be about 13 million after dropping Gallo.

They made that illegal now. you have to fully guarantee the 21M to use it as a matching salary.

well ****

Larry_Russell · Post #406 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 7:36 pm

Maybe Buddy, Romeo and a first to Philly

Simmons, Horford, Schroder to Sacramento

Fox, Bagley to Boston?

Fox/Pritch
Smart/Richardson
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Grant
Timelord/Bagley

jfs1000d · Post #407 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 7:43 pm

That’s a big trade. I think I have to do it, but I am skeptical if Brad would trade Horford like that.

cl2117 · Post #408 » by **cl2117** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:25 pm

I don't see Brad trading Horford or Ime being happy with Smart being traded, but a Bogi/Gallo for Smart/Horford trade would be interesting. They need defense, we need shooting.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #409 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:30 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Bamba is getting more of a clue, slowly, but he's past clueless on both sides of the ball to hesitant and slow to react. Anyone paying him is gambling on his upside.

Right now, looks like we should've taken Cole Anthony and Bane (no Pritchard).

Iirc Nesmith was considered the best shooter in the draft and has good size, so can't criticize Ainge too much on Nesmith at 14. No idea why they took PP at 26 though. Terrible pick.

Nesmith opened his season as the best shooter in the draft, but he got hurt early and didn't sustain it for a full year. Was coming off an injury when we picked him. Possible he would've gone higher if he'd stayed healthy, also possible he would've come back down to earth from long range.

Nesmith wasn't a *bad* pick, but Ainge always liked to take guys in the middle of the draft whose value was deflated from a disappointing year - Romeo, Avery Bradley, he was even rumored to like Shabazz Muhammad years ago, who started as a consensus no. 1 pick. Cole Anthony did that, too.

Pritchard was a good pick, a find, and great value for his draft position. He's just not as good as Cole or Bane.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #410 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:33 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Maybe Buddy, Romeo and a first to Philly

Simmons, Horford, Schroder to Sacramento

Fox, Bagley to Boston?

Fox/Pritch
Smart/Richardson
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Grant
Timelord/Bagley

Brutal spacing. Swapping Richardson for Smart in the starting lineup would help a little, but a Fox/Smart backcourt with a center who doesn't stretch the floor is a problem.

Best comp for Fox is young Kemba Walker. Undersized, scores a ton, but awful percentages (Kemba didn't get respectable, or hit 3's, until his age 25 season) and no defense. We tried that already.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #411 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:36 pm

I could see Schroeder being used to dump Juancho's salary and get us under the tax. Wonder if Atlanta would want Horford as a vet big for a playoff push, too. Al for Gallo and Solomon Hill saves us 5 million this year and 16 million next.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #412 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:40 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Bamba is getting more of a clue, slowly, but he's past clueless on both sides of the ball to hesitant and slow to react. Anyone paying him is gambling on his upside.

Right now, looks like we should've taken Cole Anthony and Bane (no Pritchard).

Iirc Nesmith was considered the best shooter in the draft and has good size, so can't criticize Ainge too much on Nesmith at 14. No idea why they took PP at 26 though. Terrible pick.

Nesmith opened his season as the best shooter in the draft, but he got hurt early and didn't sustain it for a full year. Was coming off an injury when we picked him. Possible he would've gone higher if he'd stayed healthy, also possible he would've come back down to earth from long range.

Nesmith wasn't a *bad* pick, but Ainge always liked to take guys in the middle of the draft whose value was deflated from a disappointing year - Romeo, Avery Bradley, he was even rumored to like Shabazz Muhammad years ago, who started as a consensus no. 1 pick. Cole Anthony did that, too.

Pritchard was a good pick, a find, and great value for his draft position. He's just not as good as Cole or Bane.

Danny Ainge seemed to be fan of undersized guards. Im not.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #413 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:42 pm

Delon Wright, Cam Reddish and a 1st could be Smart's market value, I guess. Way below his actual value to us, and the value of those returning assets for us. Maybe a three-team deal..

Andrew McCeltic · Post #414 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 8:42 pm

Sure, but Pritchard is a good undersized guard, and it's hard even to get one of those late in the first round.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #415 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 9:45 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Sure, but Pritchard is a good undersized guard, and it's hard even to get one of those late in the first round.

He's a good shooter, but doesn't seem to be much of a defender or playmaker.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #416 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 10:29 pm

Can’t defend with his size, limited as a playmaker because he can’t drive the paint - but smart, high offensive IQ heady player with a high motor. Even if he’s out of the league when his contract is up, a guy who can be a rotation player on a .500 or better team is a good pick in the 20s. And no one had Bane on their radar, 29 teams passed on him.

Jaqua92 · Post #417 » by **Jaqua92** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 10:35 pm

I hate to say it, but there's no significant upgrade that occurs here without trading Smart or Brown.

There's no point in even making trades if those two are unavailable.

It's simple. You either break up the core, and trade at LEAST Smart in hopes of bringing in some role players to build around JT, JB, and RW. It may take JB and Smart to build a more fleshed out roster around JT and Rob.

OR. You keep the core of JT, JB, Rob, and Smart, and just HOPE Nesmith, PP, Williams become championship caliber role players and that the core 4 of JT, JB, Rob and Smart become a championship caliber core.

There's no trade possible that can yield us more competence around that core 4.

Honestly, we won't ever win a title without a significant trade of at least 1 or two core player. They aren't good enough and we don't have the assets to build around them.

You either break up the core for a soft rebuild, or naively hope that what we have no will be good enough to contend someday.

It is what it is.

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BostonCouchGM · Post #418 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 10:55 pm

I can't imagine knowing so little about basketball that I believe a) Pritchard is undersized b) he can't penetrate c) he's not a playmaker. It's like these people don't even watch games or maybe just highlights? I dunno. It's crazy. Why do people like this devote time on forums devoted to something they know so little about? And broadcast it proudly to others. Seems strange. I'm convinced they're trolling. There's no other explanation. I really hope he and Nesmith get traded away from this dumpster fire team and fanbase.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #419 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 11:27 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:I can't imagine knowing so little about basketball that I believe a) Pritchard is undersized b) he can't penetrate c) he's not a playmaker. It's like these people don't even watch games or maybe just highlights? I dunno. It's crazy. Why do people like this devote time on forums devoted to something they know so little about? And broadcast it proudly to others. Seems strange. I'm convinced they're trolling. There's no other explanation. I really hope he and Nesmith get traded away from this dumpster fire team and fanbase.

Pritchard's 6'1 in shoes! What's your definition of "undersized"? b. and c. he doesn't do especially well. What game are you watching? His + skill is his range, he hustles and has a high IQ, but that's not the same as being able to get to the rim like Schroeder or even JRich and Langford - who are also role-players. He takes his opportunities when they're there.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #420 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Wed Jan 5, 2022 11:51 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Can’t defend with his size, limited as a playmaker because he can’t drive the paint - but smart, high offensive IQ heady player with a high motor. Even if he’s out of the league when his contract is up, a guy who can be a rotation player on a .500 or better team is a good pick in the 20s. And no one had Bane on their radar, 29 teams passed on him.

Definitely an overachiever, but not too useful in today's NBA. Would prefer taking a upside guy with size.

Agree a bunch of teams missed on Bane.