Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[the_process]

Don't blame Tobias. The GM should of done more due diligence prior to signing that massive contract. Good for Tobias cashing in. I would too. Blame the GM or the strings in the front office for signing Tobias. Winners-Tobias and agent LOSER-Sixers front office. Now its up to Morey to be creative.

Agreed, can't blame Tobi for securing the bag.

We can blame him for sucking, though.

Speaking of which, did he address his temper tantrum after the game last night?

Tobias thinks of and carries himself as a leader and elite player, one of the franchise cornerstones along with Embiid. He's probably shocked that he could be treated that way by the fans - hell, he might be perplexed as to why he hasn't gotten any "M-V-P" chants.

Ugh. Thanks Elton.

[GoSixersBro]

I was pumped when we traded for Tobias because it seemed like we were pushing all our chips to the middle of the table. However, at the time we were positioning Harris to be our fourth best player and maybe third scoring option behind Embed and Butler.

Now, Harris being your team's second best player and second scoring option? Second round exit every damn time.

I was pumped because that trade happened in the middle of the night after we had a huge win (i can't remember against who, but i was buzzing). And theoretically he was the perfect fourth cog on this roster. His shooting splits fooled me bad. It was the last time I took a player with elite percentages on shady volume seriously.

And he disgusted me in those first playoffs, I wholeheartedly still believe we lost the Raptors series because of that performance he put up in game 4 at home. Chance to go up 3-1 and put a stranglehold on the series, he shot like 2/13 from 3 and 7/23 from the field in a game we lost by just 5 points. With numerous chances to put that game away he just turned into salesman of the year. Zero takeover ability.

From then on I had a bad taste in my mouth, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave him one more season. Maybe he just needed some more time to gel and be allowed to play his game in an expanded role. He has a solid regular season (still irked by his playstyle, still gave him the benefit of the doubt) and then his performance against Boston was just shocking. Humiliated in a sweep against our biggest rivals, Embiid fighting for his life out there, and Harris just looking completely out of his element. He looked like a player on a 10 day. Not scoring, can't beat anyone off the dribble, doesn't wanna shoot, can't play defense. From that point on I was done with him.

I'll be smiling from the innermost part of my soul the day he finally leaves my team.

You're misremembering a bit. We lost to Toronto hours before the trade was announced. Raptors went up 3-1 in the season series and it felt like we knew a move needed to be made. I loved it because it felt like we were stepping up to the plate. Kinda like how active the Phillies were in 2009-2011. When they needed a guy who (they thought) would put them over, they went out and got him.

[erving4ever]

I was pumped when we traded for Tobias because it seemed like we were pushing all our chips to the middle of the table. However, at the time we were positioning Harris to be our fourth best player and maybe third scoring option behind Embed and Butler.

Now, Harris being your team's second best player and second scoring option? Second round exit every damn time.

I was pumped because that trade happened in the middle of the night after we had a huge win (i can't remember against who, but i was buzzing). And theoretically he was the perfect fourth cog on this roster. His shooting splits fooled me bad. It was the last time I took a player with elite percentages on shady volume seriously.

And he disgusted me in those first playoffs, I wholeheartedly still believe we lost the Raptors series because of that performance he put up in game 4 at home. Chance to go up 3-1 and put a stranglehold on the series, he shot like 2/13 from 3 and 7/23 from the field in a game we lost by just 5 points. With numerous chances to put that game away he just turned into salesman of the year. Zero takeover ability.

From then on I had a bad taste in my mouth, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave him one more season. Maybe he just needed some more time to gel and be allowed to play his game in an expanded role. He has a solid regular season (still irked by his playstyle, still gave him the benefit of the doubt) and then his performance against Boston was just shocking. Humiliated in a sweep against our biggest rivals, Embiid fighting for his life out there, and Harris just looking completely out of his element. He looked like a player on a 10 day. Not scoring, can't beat anyone off the dribble, doesn't wanna shoot, can't play defense. From that point on I was done with him.

I'll be smiling from the innermost part of my soul the day he finally leaves my team.

You're misremembering a bit. We lost to Toronto hours before the trade was announced. Raptors went up 3-1 in the season series and it felt like we knew a move needed to be made. I loved it because it felt like we were stepping up to the plate. Kinda like how active the Phillies were in 2009-2011. When they needed a guy who (they thought) would put them over, they went out and got him.

We lost to Tor in a REGULAR SEASON game and then EB( or BB or whichever committee) made the move to trade for Tobias. In the POs, Tobias played in the entire Tor series.

[mjkvol]

I was pumped when we traded for Tobias because it seemed like we were pushing all our chips to the middle of the table. However, at the time we were positioning Harris to be our fourth best player and maybe third scoring option behind Embed and Butler.

Now, Harris being your team's second best player and second scoring option? Second round exit every damn time.

I was pumped because that trade happened in the middle of the night after we had a huge win (i can't remember against who, but i was buzzing). And theoretically he was the perfect fourth cog on this roster. His shooting splits fooled me bad. It was the last time I took a player with elite percentages on shady volume seriously.

And he disgusted me in those first playoffs, I wholeheartedly still believe we lost the Raptors series because of that performance he put up in game 4 at home. Chance to go up 3-1 and put a stranglehold on the series, he shot like 2/13 from 3 and 7/23 from the field in a game we lost by just 5 points. With numerous chances to put that game away he just turned into salesman of the year. Zero takeover ability.

From then on I had a bad taste in my mouth, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave him one more season. Maybe he just needed some more time to gel and be allowed to play his game in an expanded role. He has a solid regular season (still irked by his playstyle, still gave him the benefit of the doubt) and then his performance against Boston was just shocking. Humiliated in a sweep against our biggest rivals, Embiid fighting for his life out there, and Harris just looking completely out of his element. He looked like a player on a 10 day. Not scoring, can't beat anyone off the dribble, doesn't wanna shoot, can't play defense. From that point on I was done with him.

I'll be smiling from the innermost part of my soul the day he finally leaves my team.

You're misremembering a bit. We lost to Toronto hours before the trade was announced. Raptors went up 3-1 in the season series and it felt like we knew a move needed to be made. I loved it because it felt like we were stepping up to the plate. Kinda like how active the Phillies were in 2009-2011. When they needed a guy who (they thought) would put them over, they went out and got him.

I didn't know a lot about Tobias when the trade was made other than he seemed to be highly thought of. What bothered me was emptying the cupboard in mid season for one shot - we had no assurance that either guy would be back beyond 2019. Butler was a no brainer deal, though.

Turns out that the reason we knew so little about him was that he played for bad teams his entire career and had remained way under the radar.

[GoSixersBro]

I was pumped because that trade happened in the middle of the night after we had a huge win (i can't remember against who, but i was buzzing). And theoretically he was the perfect fourth cog on this roster. His shooting splits fooled me bad. It was the last time I took a player with elite percentages on shady volume seriously.

And he disgusted me in those first playoffs, I wholeheartedly still believe we lost the Raptors series because of that performance he put up in game 4 at home. Chance to go up 3-1 and put a stranglehold on the series, he shot like 2/13 from 3 and 7/23 from the field in a game we lost by just 5 points. With numerous chances to put that game away he just turned into salesman of the year. Zero takeover ability.

From then on I had a bad taste in my mouth, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave him one more season. Maybe he just needed some more time to gel and be allowed to play his game in an expanded role. He has a solid regular season (still irked by his playstyle, still gave him the benefit of the doubt) and then his performance against Boston was just shocking. Humiliated in a sweep against our biggest rivals, Embiid fighting for his life out there, and Harris just looking completely out of his element. He looked like a player on a 10 day. Not scoring, can't beat anyone off the dribble, doesn't wanna shoot, can't play defense. From that point on I was done with him.

I'll be smiling from the innermost part of my soul the day he finally leaves my team.

You're misremembering a bit. We lost to Toronto hours before the trade was announced. Raptors went up 3-1 in the season series and it felt like we knew a move needed to be made. I loved it because it felt like we were stepping up to the plate. Kinda like how active the Phillies were in 2009-2011. When they needed a guy who (they thought) would put them over, they went out and got him.

We lost to Tor in a REGULAR SEASON game and then EB( or BB or whichever committee) made the move to trade for Tobias. In the POs, Tobias played in the entire Tor series.

Yes. Was anything I said wrong? lol

I remember after that loss there was a ton of frustration because it seemed like the Raptors had our number those first 4 months of the season. I don't even know how long that deal was brewing before that loss, or if it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[SixersSince82]

Awe man, I hated the Tobias Harris trade the moment it happened. You just don't get sucked into a 7 year vet who's always been on bad teams having a career year in a season when his contract is up. Like seriously that's GMing 101. And they gave up a young rotational player and 2 first! for a dude that had a grand total of 4 games worth of playoff experience in a 7 year career.

I know it sounds crazy, but I swear at the time I said the only reason they went in on Harris was because they already know they aren't bringing Butler back. Said they'd way overpay Harris, but he wouldn't be good enough, which would lead to Brett Brown getting fired and that within 2 years of Brown leaving Ben would ask for a trade.

It was all so obviously predictable.

[spikeslovechild]

I'll say this again but the issue with Harris mainly is how much he is being paid and the fact we don't have a true 2nd banana next to Embiid.

He isn't a bad player and trading him just to get him off the team doesn't help us in any way.

[Tomjas]

Watched the Pacers play yesterday and Sabonis is the 5 version of Harris

Good player but not a difference maker

Earns $18.5 million per

No problem with Tobias if he was on that money

[mjkvol]

I don't agree with you guys. It might not be quite as much an issue if Tobias was making half what he is, but he would still be a square peg in a round hole. He doesn't fit what we need and is the classic ball stopper, much better suited to being on a bad team where he can pad the scoresheet with no pressure.

The two differences are that he would be perfect trade filler and that Doc wouldn't feel as compelled to keep him on the floor as much as he does.

[spikeslovechild]

I don't agree with you guys. It might not be quite as much an issue if Tobias was making half what he is, but he would still be a square peg in a round hole. He doesn't fit what we need and is the classic ball stopper, much better suited to being on a bad team where he can pad the scoresheet with no pressure.

The two differences are that he would be perfect trade filler and that Doc wouldn't feel as compelled to keep him on the floor as much as he does.

Who are you giving his shots to when you move him? You have 15 FGA and the rest of the team is full of 3+D guys who are pretty maxed out in their roles usage wise. For me anyways a big reason why we are using Harris the way we are is because we don't have a better option for a guy who we can run the offense through other than Embiid. Moving Harris doesn't solve that problem it only makes it worse.

I am not against moving him I just don't really see how we trade him and get better because teams don't really value good but grossly overpaid players in the trade market and even if we found someone to take his contract we won't have a max slot open anyways. I think we really need to focus on bringing in someone else who can be that player next to Embiid and once we have that guy whether it be Dame, Brown, or someone else we can reopen the discussion

[mjkvol]

I don't agree with you guys. It might not be quite as much an issue if Tobias was making half what he is, but he would still be a square peg in a round hole. He doesn't fit what we need and is the classic ball stopper, much better suited to being on a bad team where he can pad the scoresheet with no pressure.

The two differences are that he would be perfect trade filler and that Doc wouldn't feel as compelled to keep him on the floor as much as he does.

Who are you giving his shots to when you move him? You have 15 FGA and the rest of the team is full of 3+D guys who are pretty maxed out in their roles usage wise. For me anyways a big reason why we are using Harris the way we are is because we don't have a better option for a guy who we can run the offense through other than Embiid. Moving Harris doesn't solve that problem it only makes it worse.

I am not against moving him I just don't really see how we trade him and get better because teams don't really value good but grossly overpaid players in the trade market and even if we found someone to take his contract we won't have a max slot open anyways. I think we really need to focus on bringing in someone else who can be that player next to Embiid and once we have that guy whether it be Dame, Brown, or someone else we can reopen the discussion

We can't find 15 FGA among Maxey, Curry, Kork, Niang, Joe, and Green? Why does the team always look better when Tobias is off the floor? Easily the best stretch of the season was when we were at full health but Tobias was out with covid. I'll take my chances without a second guy who we can run the offense through if that's our only option, or better yet continue to develop Maxey as that guy until one can be found via trade.

[spikeslovechild]

I don't agree with you guys. It might not be quite as much an issue if Tobias was making half what he is, but he would still be a square peg in a round hole. He doesn't fit what we need and is the classic ball stopper, much better suited to being on a bad team where he can pad the scoresheet with no pressure.

The two differences are that he would be perfect trade filler and that Doc wouldn't feel as compelled to keep him on the floor as much as he does.

Who are you giving his shots to when you move him? You have 15 FGA and the rest of the team is full of 3+D guys who are pretty maxed out in their roles usage wise. For me anyways a big reason why we are using Harris the way we are is because we don't have a better option for a guy who we can run the offense through other than Embiid. Moving Harris doesn't solve that problem it only makes it worse.

I am not against moving him I just don't really see how we trade him and get better because teams don't really value good but grossly overpaid players in the trade market and even if we found someone to take his contract we won't have a max slot open anyways. I think we really need to focus on bringing in someone else who can be that player next to Embiid and once we have that guy whether it be Dame, Brown, or someone else we can reopen the discussion

We can't find 15 FGA among Maxey, Curry, Kork, Niang, Joe, and Green? Why does the team always look better when Tobias is off the floor? Easily the best stretch of the season was when we were at full health but Tobias was out with covid. I'll take my chances without a second guy who we can run the offense through if that's our only option, or better yet continue to develop Maxey as that guy until one can be found via trade.

I don't see it no.

It's not like we have some guy we can just bring off the bench and take his role. Green plays 25mins a night and is a zero offensively. Curry is at his career highs in usage, minutes, and FGA ALREADY. Maxey is taking 13.5 FG a game.

You have 35 MPG and 15 FGA per game to replace. Show me who on the roster is going to take over harris role and be able to be the 2nd guy to create their own looks next to Embiid. I am open to listening but all I ever hear is we need to just trade Harris like trading him is some magic pixie dust that is going to allow us to bring in a true is max guy when it just isn't possible not only from a financial standpoint (trading him for cap space does nothing with Embiid and Simmons max deals) and we all know that Tobias Harris isn't worth much around the league because of his bloated contract which makes it almost impossible to use him to improve the roster.

If we can move Simmons for that star to play next to Embiid then I am all for moving Harris but I don't favor trading him because he isn't your favorite player

[the_process]

I don't agree with you guys. It might not be quite as much an issue if Tobias was making half what he is, but he would still be a square peg in a round hole. He doesn't fit what we need and is the classic ball stopper, much better suited to being on a bad team where he can pad the scoresheet with no pressure.

The two differences are that he would be perfect trade filler and that Doc wouldn't feel as compelled to keep him on the floor as much as he does.

Who are you giving his shots to when you move him? You have 15 FGA and the rest of the team is full of 3+D guys who are pretty maxed out in their roles usage wise. For me anyways a big reason why we are using Harris the way we are is because we don't have a better option for a guy who we can run the offense through other than Embiid. Moving Harris doesn't solve that problem it only makes it worse.

I am not against moving him I just don't really see how we trade him and get better because teams don't really value good but grossly overpaid players in the trade market and even if we found someone to take his contract we won't have a max slot open anyways. I think we really need to focus on bringing in someone else who can be that player next to Embiid and once we have that guy whether it be Dame, Brown, or someone else we can reopen the discussion

Literally anyone else.

[youngcrev]

Who are you giving his shots to when you move him? You have 15 FGA and the rest of the team is full of 3+D guys who are pretty maxed out in their roles usage wise. For me anyways a big reason why we are using Harris the way we are is because we don't have a better option for a guy who we can run the offense through other than Embiid. Moving Harris doesn't solve that problem it only makes it worse.

I am not against moving him I just don't really see how we trade him and get better because teams don't really value good but grossly overpaid players in the trade market and even if we found someone to take his contract we won't have a max slot open anyways. I think we really need to focus on bringing in someone else who can be that player next to Embiid and once we have that guy whether it be Dame, Brown, or someone else we can reopen the discussion

We can't find 15 FGA among Maxey, Curry, Kork, Niang, Joe, and Green? Why does the team always look better when Tobias is off the floor? Easily the best stretch of the season was when we were at full health but Tobias was out with covid. I'll take my chances without a second guy who we can run the offense through if that's our only option, or better yet continue to develop Maxey as that guy until one can be found via trade.

I don't see it no.

It's not like we have some guy we can just bring off the bench and take his role. Green plays 25mins a night and is a zero offensively. Curry is at his career highs in usage, minutes, and FGA ALREADY. Maxey is taking 13.5 FG a game.

You have 35 MPG and 15 FGA per game to replace. Show me who on the roster is going to take over harris role and be able to be the 2nd guy to create their own looks next to Embiid. I am open to listening but all I ever hear is we need to just trade Harris like trading him is some magic pixie dust that is going to allow us to bring in a true is max guy when it just isn't possible not only from a financial standpoint (trading him for cap space does nothing with Embiid and Simmons max deals) and we all know that Tobias Harris isn't worth much around the league because of his bloated contract which makes it almost impossible to use him to improve the roster.

If we can move Simmons for that star to play next to Embiid then I am all for moving Harris but I don't favor trading him because he isn't your favorite player

They'd obviously be worse if you just flat out hit the delete button on him from the roster. How much worse is the question. I imagine where you'd see the biggest impact would be in the games where we were short on players, particularly when the big fella is out.

As for how they'd replace his production, Maxey would be the obvious guy to look to in terms of turning up his usage. He's mostly been pretty tentative when on the floor with Embiid this year. Having one less mouth to feed could force him into being more aggressive in those minutes.

[stormi]

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Tears. The Harris swap is inevitable

[the_process]

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Sooner rather than later.

[ProcessDoctor]

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Tears. The Harris swap is inevitable

No thanks from POR.

-JRoy

[Sixersftw]

a CJ Curry/Maxey backcourt is the stuff of backcourt nightmares defensively

[SixthStreet]

If you trade Harris for CJ, I'd move Curry for a bigger player. With his contract I wouldn't be surprised if you could get a pretty nice wing.

[mjkvol]

we all know that Tobias Harris isn't worth much around the league because of his bloated contract which makes it almost impossible to use him to improve the roster.

It isn't just his bloated contract by a long shot. If he was a difference maker, which are players who generally get max deals, there would be teams lining up to get him. The fact that he's far removed from that, and the league (aside from Elton Brand) knows it, is the primary reason he is impossible to move with that contract.