Weekly Game Threads !

[Mr B]

So if the refs give Dez the catch and the Cowboys win somehow NOW that means Romo was "clutch"?

You are seriously incapable of seeing the glaringly obvious flaw in that logic?

You HAVE to ignore the score when judging 1 player on a 53 man team. Simple as that.

Also Aikman himself says Romo is better than him. Give Romo Aikman's roster and Romo might have 4 rings.

Yes if Romo is somehow able to win that game and advance to the NFC title game it looks better for him. He didn’t though. He lost, like he always did. That’s his legacy like it or not.

Wrong Tony Romo didn't lose.

The Dallas Cowboys lost

That's reality like it or not.

Tony should be judged on how HE played as an individual. Not on how the team as a whole finished.

THE SAME WAY YOU JUDGE EVERY OTHER POSITION

That’s not how legacies are determined though. A QB’s legacy will always be determined by how much success he did or didn’t have. The only time a QB is determined great without playoff success is if he’s holds several NFL records when he retires, even then though it’s not a guaranteed. Romo doesn’t hold any NFL records, doesn’t have any real playoff success, and even blew a #1 seed. As far as All Time Cowboys QB’s I don’t even have him ahead of Danny White. Danny White never won a title but he had much more playoff success than Romo has.

[Mr B]

Is Barry Sanders a choker? He could never win a big game.

Barry was 2nd All Time in rushing yards. Passing Walter Payton was an enormous feat to accomplish. If he hadn’t retired he likely would be the leading all time rusher not Emmitt. So no, Barry isn’t a choker, he is a quitter though.

You also can’t hold a RB to the same standards as a QB. The QB controls the game. He touches the ball on every play, a RB doesn’t.

[Mr B]

"I think Tony already is a better quarterback than I was," Aikman told the Brownsville Herald while in the South Texas town Tuesday for a Wingstop publicity event. "I know how quarterbacks are judged, but as far as his play-making ability and the things that he is capable of doing, he is a far more athletic quarterback, capable of making more plays than I ever was able to."

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4691075/troy-aikman-tony-romo-better-than-i-was

Troy is an extremely humble guy. He’s not going to come out and say, Tony is pretty good, too bad he can’t ever win in the playoffs. Take a look at my 3 Championship rings.

[Micah Prescott]

If you don't have Romo over White youre nuts. Romo had the second highest passer rating of all time. His numbers are absolutely Hall of Fame level. They ONLY thing keeping him out is the Dallas Cowboys 2-4 playoff record with him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2344332-what-are-tony-romos-hall-of-fame-chances.amp.html

Read that, it outlines why Romo is HOF worthy.

He blows Dan Fouts and Warren Moon out of the water both of them are in with just 3 playoff wins.

[Micah Prescott]

"I think Tony already is a better quarterback than I was," Aikman told the Brownsville Herald while in the South Texas town Tuesday for a Wingstop publicity event. "I know how quarterbacks are judged, but as far as his play-making ability and the things that he is capable of doing, he is a far more athletic quarterback, capable of making more plays than I ever was able to."

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4691075/troy-aikman-tony-romo-better-than-i-was

Troy is an extremely humble guy. He’s not going to come out and say, Tony is pretty good, too bad he can’t ever win in the playoffs. Take a look at my 3 Championship rings.

Troy didn't have to say anything at all. He said that on his own. And he's 100% correct. Troy was an absolute statue in comparison to Romo. The difference between him and Romo is that one of them had a God-Mode roster and coach and the other didn't.

[Otis Driftwood]

I agree. The banter is awesome !!

If I can figure out Tapatalk I may find myself on here a little more, BJJ. I just can handle the website on my iPad. I can literally feel the heat on this thing rise in my hands.


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Have you tried using it from your phone? I use Tapatalk on my iPhone and I don’t see any adds. Well maybe once in a while I will see one but almost never.

Went with the Pro version. $10 well spent. No ads and it’s gotten better since I last toyed with it. Still learning stuff with it but it’s not nearly as wonky as the free version.


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[Otis Driftwood]

For example, I think I figured out how to ignore Romo’s PR shill.


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[Mr B]

If I can figure out Tapatalk I may find myself on here a little more, BJJ. I just can handle the website on my iPad. I can literally feel the heat on this thing rise in my hands.


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Have you tried using it from your phone? I use Tapatalk on my iPhone and I don’t see any adds. Well maybe once in a while I will see one but almost never.

Went with the Pro version. $10 well spent. No ads and it’s gotten better since I last toyed with it. Still learning stuff with it but it’s not nearly as wonky as the free version.


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Danny White lead to Cowboys to three straight NFC Championship Games. Romo’s never been out of the 2nd round. Again, playoff success is what matters.

[Mr B]

If I can figure out Tapatalk I may find myself on here a little more, BJJ. I just can handle the website on my iPad. I can literally feel the heat on this thing rise in my hands.


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Have you tried using it from your phone? I use Tapatalk on my iPhone and I don’t see any adds. Well maybe once in a while I will see one but almost never.

Went with the Pro version. $10 well spent. No ads and it’s gotten better since I last toyed with it. Still learning stuff with it but it’s not nearly as wonky as the free version.


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Good to hear!

[Micah Prescott]

Have you tried using it from your phone? I use Tapatalk on my iPhone and I don’t see any adds. Well maybe once in a while I will see one but almost never.

Went with the Pro version. $10 well spent. No ads and it’s gotten better since I last toyed with it. Still learning stuff with it but it’s not nearly as wonky as the free version.


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Danny White lead to Cowboys to three straight NFC Championship Games. Romo’s never been out of the 2nd round. Again, playoff success is what matters.

The TEAM that White was on did better.

Danny White himself was average at best.

Watch the two play. Use your eyes

[Micah Prescott]

Danny White threw more INTs than TDs in the post season.

[Cactus Jack]

From an outsiders perspective, you guys are way too hard on Romo fwiw. He was good. Not elite. But very good. For whatever reason he just didn't have a ton of luck on his side when it came to postseason success.

You can tell that his Football IQ is off the charts just by listening to him call games.

Would I take him at his best over Wilson at the moment? Yeah, I think I would.

Anyways, please carry on...


P.S. Maybe we can get Chuck to partake.

[Micah Prescott]

From an outsiders perspective, you guys are way too hard on Romo fwiw. He was good. Not elite. But very good. For whatever reason he just didn't have a ton of luck on his side when it came to postseason success.

You can tell that his Football IQ is off the charts just by listening to him call games.

Would I take him at his best over Wilson at the moment? Yeah, I think I would.

Anyways, please carry on...


P.S. Maybe we can get Chuck to partake.

Part of it is that a large portion of the Cowboys fan base is overly negative from watching 25 years of not being a serious contender. It's kind of understandable but it definitely goes overboard.

The larger part of it though is that many football fans in general just give QBs WAY WAY WAY WAY too much credit for winning and losing. The way fans talk sometimes you'd think this was tennis or boxing. A one man sport. The reality is you can win a ring with a flat out bad QB.

[Otis Driftwood]

From an outsiders perspective, you guys are way too hard on Romo fwiw. He was good. Not elite. But very good. For whatever reason he just didn't have a ton of luck on his side when it came to postseason success.

You can tell that his Football IQ is off the charts just by listening to him call games.

Would I take him at his best over Wilson at the moment? Yeah, I think I would.

Anyways, please carry on...


P.S. Maybe we can get Chuck to partake.

And I’m a big fan of Russ. I’ve loved his game and how he could create out of what appeared to be little. Can’t do that with a below-average O-Line and the resulting bad running game. Same as with Romo in those down years between Barber & Demarco… or Dak with the inconsistent running game here currently. Funny how all of that ties together…


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[Otis Driftwood]

For example, I think I figured out how to ignore Romo’s PR shill.


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Great success…

That is all.


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[bluejerseyjinx]

For example, I think I figured out how to ignore Romo’s PR shill.


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We've had thousands of battles and debates going all the way back to the ESPN and Sportshoopla forums with Tony Homo. Nobody has even come close to making me ever change my mind about choking Tony Homo. And all those older posters like me, you, Mr. B and others all told these young generation Cowboy fans that we would never get to the promised land with Tony. We saw it coming with his reckless style and go for it all mentality. I'm waiting for one of these younger Cowboy fans to try and convince us that Romo was better than Staubach. You watch. These number and analitics will try and find some numbers that say so. I wonder what ever happened to the eye test.

[Otis Driftwood]

For example, I think I figured out how to ignore Romo’s PR shill.


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We've had thousands of battles and debates going all the way back to the ESPN and Sportshoopla forums with Tony Homo. Nobody has even come close to making me ever change my mind about choking Tony Homo. And all those older posters like me, you, Mr. B and others all told these young generation Cowboy fans that we would never get to the promised land with Tony. We saw it coming with his reckless style and go for it all mentality. I'm waiting for one of these younger Cowboy fans to try and convince us that Romo was better than Staubach. You watch. These number and analitics will try and find some numbers that say so. I wonder what ever happened to the eye test.

Well, he can chatter away. I won’t see any of his garbage. Romo had a damn good run. But I’ll never place him above Danny White. Put him into one of these modern offenses and he would shine… just like Roger or Troy would. It’s a different game now but the great players of the past would be just fine in it.


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[Micah Prescott]

I mean what is even the point of being on a forum if you hide from the debates

Anyway I place Romo under Roger but WAY above White. White's teams won a little in spite of him not because of him. The guy threw 16 INTs in the playoffs.

Dak has a legit chance to be #1 overall.


Generally speaking (very generally) I think athletes have progressed and advanced from the days of old. They are more athletic today, bigger on average, faster on average, just more athletic in general. And that includes QBs. Not only that playbooks have become 10x more complex. Roger was a pretty athletic guy but Troy and White were not at all and not only that they were less accurate throwing that ball. Back then QBs could get away with throwing lots of INTs but that wouldn't fly today. Troy's rookie year was absolutely putrid and in today's game teams won't even give a second chance after a year like that.

[Mr B]

I mean what is even the point of being on a forum if you hide from the debates

Anyway I place Romo under Roger but WAY above White. White's teams won a little in spite of him not because of him. The guy threw 16 INTs in the playoffs.

Dak has a legit chance to be #1 overall.


Generally speaking (very generally) I think athletes have progressed and advanced from the days of old. They are more athletic today, bigger on average, faster on average, just more athletic in general. And that includes QBs. Not only that playbooks have become 10x more complex. Roger was a pretty athletic guy but Troy and White were not at all and not only that they were less accurate throwing that ball. Back then QBs could get away with throwing lots of INTs but that wouldn't fly today. Troy's rookie year was absolutely putrid and in today's game teams won't even give a second chance after a year like that.

I’m going to pass on the Romo talk because I don’t feel you and I are ever going to see eye to eye when it comes to him and where he should rank in the Cowboys hierarchy.

As far as Dak having a legit shot to be #1 overall, I agree. He has a legit shot because they have provided him with elite weapons in offense and a good to great OL. The defense still has holes but has been more than good enough to win this season. Dak has everything he needs to win, now he has to prove he can do it. And not just against bad teams, he needs to consistently beat good teams in the playoffs. Dak has youth on his side for now so he has time, but the opportunity is knocking very loud for him right now.

When it comes to Danny White and even Troy you underestimate their athleticism. I mean White played two positions. The reason you didn’t see him running the ball or moving outside of the pocket more is because Tom Landry didn’t want him doing that. The league was completely different in their era.

Troy was a heavily recruited 2 sport star coming out of high school. He very easily could have ended up in the MLB instead of the NFL. Again though in the NFL his offense didn’t call for him to do much if any running. That wasn’t his role.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I mean what is even the point of being on a forum if you hide from the debates

Anyway I place Romo under Roger but WAY above White. White's teams won a little in spite of him not because of him. The guy threw 16 INTs in the playoffs.

Dak has a legit chance to be #1 overall.


Generally speaking (very generally) I think athletes have progressed and advanced from the days of old. They are more athletic today, bigger on average, faster on average, just more athletic in general. And that includes QBs. Not only that playbooks have become 10x more complex. Roger was a pretty athletic guy but Troy and White were not at all and not only that they were less accurate throwing that ball. Back then QBs could get away with throwing lots of INTs but that wouldn't fly today. Troy's rookie year was absolutely putrid and in today's game teams won't even give a second chance after a year like that.

I for one would never want you to not speak your feelings in here. I'm so glad you are here to be honest. We just don't agree on Romo and never will. I wanted to jump through the screen and grab him by the throat one time in a interview after we lost the division title to the Foreskins and have never forgotten it. It really told us all what he was really all about. My only other advice to you as we continue on into the future here Is I notice you are a huge numbers guy. Number don't always tell us the truth. Sometimes the eye test is a better gauge.