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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#701 » by mj234eva » Thu Jan 6, 2022 5:33 am

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I wouldn't mind Cousins but, and I said this yesterday elsewhere, I don't understand why everybody's writing Bradley off.

I still think Bradley is pretty decent defensively and was improving his short-range scoring ability before he went into protocols. In his last six games before he went into protocols, he was giving us 3.6ppg/5.0rpg/1.0apg/0.5bpg in roughly 11.5mpg on 61.9% TS, by my calculations. Extrapolated to PER36, that's 11.6ppg/15.6rpg/3.1apg/1.5bpg. Those PER36 numbers overstate his impact probably, but the point is, I still think he can be a pretty decent backup C for us and I feel like he's discounted by too many, probably due to his poor performance as a starter in Vuc's absence. I think he's better than some of you give him credit for.


There really is no point in stating a player like Bradley's PER36 numbers. If he were a better player, he'd play more. He is not, thus low MPG. 15 mpg for less (off the bench) is ideal for a player as limited as he.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#702 » by FriedRise » Thu Jan 6, 2022 5:35 am

Cousins just contributed 15/10/3stl/1blk for the Bucks on 5-8 shooting in 19 minutes off the bench. He was +9 on a 6pt loss. Only 31 too despite having been in the league forever, and it’d just be a short drive down from UC North.

Sign me up!

I think we should have a 10-day spot since Caruso just went in the protocols and Ilyasova’s contract expired (unless McLung took that spot).
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#703 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Thu Jan 6, 2022 5:36 am

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OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I wouldn't mind Cousins but, and I said this yesterday elsewhere, I don't understand why everybody's writing Bradley off.

I still think Bradley is pretty decent defensively and was improving his short-range scoring ability before he went into protocols. In his last six games before he went into protocols, he was giving us 3.6ppg/5.0rpg/1.0apg/0.5bpg in roughly 11.5mpg on 61.9% TS, by my calculations. Extrapolated to PER36, that's 11.6ppg/15.6rpg/3.1apg/1.5bpg. Those PER36 numbers overstate his impact probably, but the point is, I still think he can be a pretty decent backup C for us and I feel like he's discounted by too many, probably due to his poor performance as a starter in Vuc's absence. I think he's better than some of you give him credit for.


There really is no point in stating a player like Bradley's PER36 numbers. If he were a better player, he'd play more. He is not, thus low MPG. 15 mpg for less (off the bench) is ideal for a player as limited as he.


I agree - I don't think he should play more than 15mpg either. I was just illustrating that he is good enough to play those 15mpg. And if that is the case, I don't quite understand why people think backup c is such an urgent need. I'd be fine with Cousins, but people have been suggesting lesser players than him to replace Bradley.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#704 » by mj234eva » Thu Jan 6, 2022 5:41 am

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
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OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I wouldn't mind Cousins but, and I said this yesterday elsewhere, I don't understand why everybody's writing Bradley off.

I still think Bradley is pretty decent defensively and was improving his short-range scoring ability before he went into protocols. In his last six games before he went into protocols, he was giving us 3.6ppg/5.0rpg/1.0apg/0.5bpg in roughly 11.5mpg on 61.9% TS, by my calculations. Extrapolated to PER36, that's 11.6ppg/15.6rpg/3.1apg/1.5bpg. Those PER36 numbers overstate his impact probably, but the point is, I still think he can be a pretty decent backup C for us and I feel like he's discounted by too many, probably due to his poor performance as a starter in Vuc's absence. I think he's better than some of you give him credit for.


There really is no point in stating a player like Bradley's PER36 numbers. If he were a better player, he'd play more. He is not, thus low MPG. 15 mpg for less (off the bench) is ideal for a player as limited as he.


I agree - I don't think he should play more than 15mpg either. I was just illustrating that he is good enough to play those 15mpg. And if that is the case, I don't quite understand why people think backup c is such an urgent need. I'd be fine with Cousins, but people have been suggesting lesser players than him to replace Bradley.


It's not for me. I'm fine with him where he is, or the Bulls going with a small 5, depending on match-ups. This thread was originally about a PF, but maybe its talking about bigs in general now. I do think they need to eventually sign a versatile backup SF/PF type. DJJ is solid, but he's kind of a tooth-pick.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#705 » by problymchyld04 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 6:45 am

he’s undersized, but the only guy im interested in whereas we might need to give up coby+ picks etc. is OG Anouby from the raptors


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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#706 » by HomoSapien » Thu Jan 6, 2022 7:57 am

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HomoSapien wrote:
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We have to do this. He can contribute and gives us added insight into the Bucks’ schemes. I’d much rather have him than Bradley or Simonovic obviously.

How much added insight will a team's former player really add? Unless they're saving some super secret weapon scheme that they never show, it's all in the tape.


I don’t know how to answer that question. Obviously someone who has firsthand intimate knowledge will be able to provide a different type of insight than tape analysis.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#707 » by step » Thu Jan 6, 2022 10:31 am

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Bulls2021 wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
Read on Twitter


We have to do this. He can contribute and gives us added insight into the Bucks’ schemes. I’d much rather have him than Bradley or Simonovic obviously.

How much added insight will a team's former player really add? Unless they're saving some super secret weapon scheme that they never show, it's all in the tape.


I don’t know how to answer that question. Obviously someone who has firsthand intimate knowledge will be able to provide a different type of insight than tape analysis.

He's only been with them for just over a month and let's just say he doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.
To his credit, his numbers weren't half bad and it did look like he did well enough to cement a position so I thought.

I'm still puzzled why they did this and I get this is all contract related. Unless he wanted a bigger role or wanted to go elsewhere? Or they hope he resigns again?
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#708 » by HomoSapien » Thu Jan 6, 2022 10:32 am

step wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
Bulls2021 wrote:How much added insight will a team's former player really add? Unless they're saving some super secret weapon scheme that they never show, it's all in the tape.


I don’t know how to answer that question. Obviously someone who has firsthand intimate knowledge will be able to provide a different type of insight than tape analysis.

He's only been with them for just over a month and let's just say he doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.
To his credit, his numbers weren't half bad and it did look like he did well enough to cement a position so I thought.

I'm still puzzled why they did this and I get this is all contract related. Unless he wanted a bigger role or wanted to go elsewhere? Or they hope he resigns again?


I think it’s about finances. They are a small market with limited resources.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#709 » by step » Thu Jan 6, 2022 10:39 am

HomoSapien wrote:
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HomoSapien wrote:
I don’t know how to answer that question. Obviously someone who has firsthand intimate knowledge will be able to provide a different type of insight than tape analysis.

He's only been with them for just over a month and let's just say he doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.
To his credit, his numbers weren't half bad and it did look like he did well enough to cement a position so I thought.

I'm still puzzled why they did this and I get this is all contract related. Unless he wanted a bigger role or wanted to go elsewhere? Or they hope he resigns again?


I think it’s about finances. They are a small market with limited resources.

He's on a vet min contract. They could and should have dumped Semi instead.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#710 » by step » Thu Jan 6, 2022 10:45 am

I mean there is also this:

Read on Twitter

Makes some sense now.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#711 » by HomoSapien » Thu Jan 6, 2022 10:49 am

step wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
step wrote:He's only been with them for just over a month and let's just say he doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.
To his credit, his numbers weren't half bad and it did look like he did well enough to cement a position so I thought.

I'm still puzzled why they did this and I get this is all contract related. Unless he wanted a bigger role or wanted to go elsewhere? Or they hope he resigns again?


I think it’s about finances. They are a small market with limited resources.

He's on a vet min contract. They could and should have dumped Semi instead.


Semi’s already guaranteed. You’re a Bulls fan, you should know better than anyone what penny pinching looks like.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#712 » by step » Thu Jan 6, 2022 11:00 am

HomoSapien wrote:
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HomoSapien wrote:
I think it’s about finances. They are a small market with limited resources.

He's on a vet min contract. They could and should have dumped Semi instead.


Semi’s already guaranteed. You’re a Bulls fan, you should know better than anyone how important penny pinching is to owners.

Oh I only saw he was on a 1-year vet min deal too. Ooof that's bad.

I get the concept of penny-pinching... but how much are they really going to save? DeMarcus was also on the vet min.
They're supposedly looking to pick someone up... so they'll save what a week or two worth of salary?
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Post#713 » by mj234eva » Thu Jan 6, 2022 11:45 am

D.J. Wilson? Not sure if the Raptors signed him to another 10 day.
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Post#714 » by petebraun0 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 2:49 pm

seems like bringing over Marco was a mistake. He is not ready to contribute. Could have kept him in Europe another year or two. I had hoped we'd bring in Isaiah Hartenstein when we had the chance. I just read that he is an underrated player and doing well this year.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#715 » by Dresden » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:34 pm

I hope they take a look at Cousins. He wasn't bad with the Bucks. He's only 31, and not that far removed from being one of the best centers in the game. Seems like a lot to be gained and not much to be lost by giving him a look.
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Post#716 » by VolumePoster » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:37 pm

Dresden wrote:I hope they take a look at Cousins. He wasn't bad with the Bucks. He's only 31, and not that far removed from being one of the best centers in the game. Seems like a lot to be gained and not much to be lost by giving him a look.


I'm with you. The thing about having awesome chemistry and veterans is you can take on more explosive personalities. It has some risk, but yeah. Game on.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#717 » by NecessaryEvil » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:45 pm

problymchyld04 wrote:he’s undersized, but the only guy im interested in whereas we might need to give up coby+ picks etc. is OG Anouby from the raptors


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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#718 » by jacoby1us » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:58 pm

Cousins is the better option at this point, he is a veteran and we know what he is capable of moving forward for the remainder of the season. Not sure if AK believes Cousins fits the culture of the Bulls organization but the clear choice IMHO is Cousins to help with the small front court issues we face as Vucevic whom is not physical enough nor is DJJ or the other wings that stand 6'5" and under. We are being murdered on the glass on a nightly basis.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#719 » by NecessaryEvil » Thu Jan 6, 2022 4:04 pm

jacoby1us wrote:Cousins is the better option at this point, he is a veteran and we know what he is capable of moving forward for the remainder of the season. Not sure if AK believes Cousins fits the culture of the Bulls organization but the clear choice IMHO is Cousins to help with the small front court issues we face as Vucevic whom is not physical enough nor is DJJ or the other wings that stand 6'5" and under. We are being murdered on the glass on a nightly basis.



I'd love the move and have been pinning for it since earlier in the season. Size and toughness, rebounding and passing. We don't need the old Boogie, though it would be nice. Bulls definitely could use more toughness though. I think he would fit this group extremely well.

Id still look towards Tristan Thompson when he's eventually bought out also.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#720 » by HINrichPolice » Thu Jan 6, 2022 4:05 pm

Can someone explain why Chris Boucher isn't supposedly down in the Raptors' rotation? Aside from people with some star power and not a perfect fit (Jerami Grant / Christian Wood imo), I feel like Boucher would be a great target. Perhaps the eye test doesn't match on court production, but he has the length to at least bother a Durant or Giannis. I have no idea if he's ever had success against them, however.
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