Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES

[mcscotty]

Kyrie seems intent on still not getting it. Even in the interview today.

Idk what it will take.

But clearly we need him.

Kyrie doesn't need to change his mind. New York will likely give up on this mandate nonsense soon. The stubborn politicians are starting to look silly. At this point, the science doesn't even support them. The data is essentially irrefutable. Even the Fed is throwing in the towel.

Go back to the Lakers forum with the antivax horsesh*t. The data says that the unvaccinated are the ones filling ICUs while the worst most vaccinated people face from the omicron variant are mild symptoms. The mandate has done its job.

Filling up ICUs? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-04/omicron-spares-u-s-icus-so-far-mirroring-s-africa-trajectory

[MrDollarBills]

Not gonna lie, I don't appreciate Patty Mills being thrown under the bus (as a starter) for Kyrie.

Paddy's averaged over 35mpg for December, which might help explain some of his off-shooting nights.

I'm okay with him getting more rest and hopefully having fresher legs down the road.

Mills is better off coming off the bench. he has been a microwave his entire career and is closer to that role off the pine. he is still gonna get his 30ish minutes either way. But as a starter he is window dressing. KD/Harden are gonna dominate the ball to start, he is just a floor spacer there.

I didnt hate the death lineup to end the game were kyrie and mills were on with KD/Durant

I liked the line up with Bembry playing the Andre Igoudala role, and you can easily mix and match Harris with Mills when he comes back.

Durant/Bembry/Mills/Kyrie/Harden and let Kyrie go ISO at the top of the key with everyone else spacing out. That's pretty hard to stop

[MrDollarBills]

My thoughts...

1. Awful game, came out dead, got spanked for 30 minutes by a god awful tired opponent/ wamt to give credit to the guys for clawing back but really indy just ran out of gas. One of the worst coached games of the year by Nash, including not being able to fire up his team after 3 losses and kyries return

2) Bembry is a G. (he turned this game for us, he should start every game, period)

3) Kyrie activates GOD MODE for our offense. We didnt even play close to our best offensive game but dropped 130. Kyrie has the gravity to space the floor, can beat any defender 1 on 1 and crushes jumpers. He also adds a speed element our offense lacks without him, especially in transition

4) We need to generate more threes. i know Kyrie masks it all and makes our offense insane but coaches need to get us more threes.

I will give Nash credit for finally playing Bembry. That's about it.

But that 1st half was 97% on the players. Their energy was terrible, Kyrie even admitted that they were trash in the first half. It was an inexcusable performance. Letting Lance do whatever he wanted like that was infuriating.

If Bembry isn't starting at SF next game, that will be clear proof that Nash is an idiot.

[TheNetsFan]

Kyrie doesn't need to change his mind. New York will likely give up on this mandate nonsense soon. The stubborn politicians are starting to look silly. At this point, the science doesn't even support them. The data is essentially irrefutable. Even the Fed is throwing in the towel.

Go back to the Lakers forum with the antivax horsesh*t. The data says that the unvaccinated are the ones filling ICUs while the worst most vaccinated people face from the omicron variant are mild symptoms. The mandate has done its job.

Filling up ICUs? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-04/omicron-spares-u-s-icus-so-far-mirroring-s-africa-trajectory

It's filling up beds, not necessarily ICU beds. The graph clearly indicates that hospital admissions are 13% higher than last year's peak, but ICU admissions are currently 38% lower. That being said, from a calendar perspective, we're 2 weeks earlier than last winter's peak. There's a chance that the post holiday cases & hospitalizations continue to climb.

The last paragraph in that article is the key.

Public health officials in the U.S. are hoping the omicron wave will burn out fast as it did in other places. South Africa’s seven-day average in new cases began to decline about 30 days after the surge began in earnest, and New York is about a month out from its first detected case in early December.

Such a rapidly spreading virus could burn itself out quickly via herd immunity. It will continue to spread in the US, but I wouldn't be surprised if herd immunity in NYC kicks in soon. It would be similar to the huge initial spike of COVID-19 in NYC in early 2020.

[mcscotty]

Go back to the Lakers forum with the antivax horsesh*t. The data says that the unvaccinated are the ones filling ICUs while the worst most vaccinated people face from the omicron variant are mild symptoms. The mandate has done its job.

Filling up ICUs? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-04/omicron-spares-u-s-icus-so-far-mirroring-s-africa-trajectory

It's filling up beds, not necessarily ICU beds. The graph clearly indicates that hospital admissions are 13% higher than last year's peak, but ICU admissions are currently 38% lower. That being said, from a calendar perspective, we're 2 weeks earlier than last winter's peak. There's a chance that the post holiday cases & hospitalizations continue to climb.

The last paragraph in that article is the key.

Public health officials in the U.S. are hoping the omicron wave will burn out fast as it did in other places. South Africa’s seven-day average in new cases began to decline about 30 days after the surge began in earnest, and New York is about a month out from its first detected case in early December.

Such a rapidly spreading virus, it could burn itself out quickly via herd immunity. It will continue to spread in the US, but I wouldn't be surprised if herd immunity in NYC kicks in soon. Not totally dissimilar to the huge initial spike of COVID-19 in NYC in early 2020.

Let's hope so. BTW, the vaccination rate in South Africa is only 25%. Omicron might be the tipping point of this pandemic. Spread quickly through the community without wreaking much havoc. Leaving behind the gold standard of immunity.

[Prokorov]

Paddy's averaged over 35mpg for December, which might help explain some of his off-shooting nights.

I'm okay with him getting more rest and hopefully having fresher legs down the road.

Mills is better off coming off the bench. he has been a microwave his entire career and is closer to that role off the pine. he is still gonna get his 30ish minutes either way. But as a starter he is window dressing. KD/Harden are gonna dominate the ball to start, he is just a floor spacer there.

I didnt hate the death lineup to end the game were kyrie and mills were on with KD/Durant

I liked the line up with Bembry playing the Andre Igoudala role, and you can easily mix and match Harris with Mills when he comes back.

Durant/Bembry/Mills/Kyrie/Harden and let Kyrie go ISO at the top of the key with everyone else spacing out. That's pretty hard to stop

I think i prefer it with Bembry also but give me at least a 6 minute trial run of:

Harden | Mills | Kyrie | Harris | KD

woof.

[Prokorov]

My thoughts...

1. Awful game, came out dead, got spanked for 30 minutes by a god awful tired opponent/ wamt to give credit to the guys for clawing back but really indy just ran out of gas. One of the worst coached games of the year by Nash, including not being able to fire up his team after 3 losses and kyries return

2) Bembry is a G. (he turned this game for us, he should start every game, period)

3) Kyrie activates GOD MODE for our offense. We didnt even play close to our best offensive game but dropped 130. Kyrie has the gravity to space the floor, can beat any defender 1 on 1 and crushes jumpers. He also adds a speed element our offense lacks without him, especially in transition

4) We need to generate more threes. i know Kyrie masks it all and makes our offense insane but coaches need to get us more threes.

I will give Nash credit for finally playing Bembry. That's about it.

But that 1st half was 97% on the players. Their energy was terrible, Kyrie even admitted that they were trash in the first half. It was an inexcusable performance. Letting Lance do whatever he wanted like that was infuriating.

If Bembry isn't starting at SF next game, that will be clear proof that Nash is an idiot.

My thing is, if in-game adjustments arent your thing and in-game coaching isnt your strength then you at least need to be a good motivator.

if you cant motivate your team to come out gangbusters after 3 straight embarassing losses and calling them out for lazy either you suck as a motivator or your team has turned on you.

ALSO....

Indy on a back to back. They played big. Sabonis just played 39 physical minutes vs the knicks.

WHY ARE YOU NOT STARTING THE GAME PLAYIING SUPER UP TEMPO?!!!!

You have Kyrie back who has a ton of speed. yet you are walking it up. you sat Bembry, one of our best transition players. We should have run them to death. Sabonis should have been run off the floor. he got to walk back on every possesions.

That is awful planning and more reinforcement nash just wants to roll a ball out and blame the team if they dont win

[MGrand15]

I'm kind of sick of Nash and this team at the moment so I don't have too many thoughts.

This 8 man rotation is beyond ridiculous. We're a deep team. It's January. Against Indiana who has no NBA guards. Nash only went 9 deep in the 1st half because we were getting smoked. The rotation should be 10 unless it's a big game. Especially with Kyrie back.

Harden and KD have been REALLY bad on defense the past 4 games. KD knows how to dial it in and lock up here and there but the team defense has been atrocious. Way too many plays where 3pt shooters are just left wide open and no one bothers to make a play. Basic PNRs turning into dunks. Easy backcuts. Or what's been happening to KD - he'll realize he's super late on the rotation, close out really hard, and it's an easy drive to the rim. The effort is there but that's not good enough. That's how bad teams torch you.

BTW Kyrie over 19.5 was the easiest money I've made in my life.

[NetsWorld]

With news the Bucks are waiving Cousins, do we gamble? I think he would give us toughness and a solid post presence which we need against teams like the Bucks, Bulls and Heat. Cousins would give us another big body who can still rebound and play; right now is the time to nab him. Still 31 and played solid for Milwaukee.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Don't pay no mind to select few. They have selective memory. Last time we overlooked Bulls one legged Noah and Nate THE GREATE Robinson send us home.

We showed nothing reasonable to be cocky about. Neither of our top 3 been able to win s*** as a best player or a lead guy.

Yes I said it. Curry won chip without KD and actually send him home doing so.

Kyrie led Saltic team imploded. His Cavs team never sniffed playoffs. Talking about couple games during finals is all his fan club has. Ja and LaMelo took what everyone thought to be worst teams to playoffs or contention. Dame is a franchise player. AD won with LBJ without third all star and was/is in conversation to be top 3-5 player. Do I need to saying anything about Curry? Bringing Kyrie is disrespectful imo.

All proven facts that happened.

Last time we were being lead by **** Deron Williams.

KD was the best guy on the Warriors. They were not beating LeBron without him period.

Kyrie took the Celtics further than they did last year or will go this year. He was like 20 years when he was on those Cavs teams, who gives a ****.

Ja and LaMelo had way better teams around them.

What has Dame ever done that Kyrie hasn't? Get embarrassed by Steph Curry while Kyrie outplayed him twice? Is Kevin Love really the third all star LOL. He was awful in every Finals.

You just sound like the biggest Nets hater in the world.

Why don't you go root for the Knicks or something?

Instead of having a meltdown about a Nets team on track to have its most wins ever with the best player in the league.

D.Will and Joe considered to be best back court at that time We also got B.LO back who had all star season. What you still don't understand and it seems beyond your abilities is the fact that Bulls team was overlooked for many reasons. Main theme was injuries, led by ex players.

Another factual lie here. The year before Saltics went to CF led by Tatum. Yes the year Kyrie got hurt. Saltics fans didn't go after Kyrie for no reason, if anything he said himself that mistakes were made and he should've known better. I wonder why he called LBJ . Go ask Saltic fans, they'll give you in depth storyline.

Another lie. Ja and LaMelo joined teams that were clearly rebuilding and had no intentions to compete.

I'm sounding like a guy who'll be schooling you again few months from now. I've been watching sports for over 20 years. Basketball, Football, Soccer etc you name it. This team has all the signs of overrated fluke. Unless they readjust immediately. This far they showed no signs of doing so.

I've been Nets fan before you was born probably.
Being cocky dumb dumb is not something I'm going to cosign to.

You have no idea how rare it is to collect/assemble team like this. If we blow this... we will go down as THE MOST DISAPPOINTING TEAM EVER !!! We on track to do just that. I don't consider myself a loser. I'll voice my opinion in order to change just that. I really doubt you can comprehend it though, so go kick rocks for few months, GTR11 summer school will be in session soon.

Delusional. Nobody considered Deron-Joe to beat the Heat or LeBron.

Lopez was a replacement All Star who never even sniffed the team again. That Bulls team wasn't good at all. We just sucked. In a way we would not this year.

Yes the Celtics made the ECF when the East sucked donkey ass. Who did they beat exactly? An injured Philly team and a .500 Bucks team.

Ever since Kyrie left they have sucked except for a fluke bubble run. This year they won't even make the playoffs. I know better than to ask Saltic fans about Kyrie either.

Yes Ja and Lamelo joined teams with talent around them. Who did Kyrie have? Dion Waiters?

You won't be schooling me at all. Youre crying about the Nets having the best season they've ever had with the best player in the world on the team.

You better HOPE you are right. Because if we do win it all this year I will expose your hysteria for exactly what it is.

[Prokorov]

I'm kind of sick of Nash and this team at the moment so I don't have too many thoughts.

This 8 man rotation is beyond ridiculous. We're a deep team. It's January. Against Indiana who has no NBA guards. Nash only went 9 deep in the 1st half because we were getting smoked. The rotation should be 10 unless it's a big game. Especially with Kyrie back.

Harden and KD have been REALLY bad on defense the past 4 games. KD knows how to dial it in and lock up here and there but the team defense has been atrocious. Way too many plays where 3pt shooters are just left wide open and no one bothers to make a play. Basic PNRs turning into dunks. Easy backcuts. Or what's been happening to KD - he'll realize he's super late on the rotation, close out really hard, and it's an easy drive to the rim. The effort is there but that's not good enough. That's how bad teams torch you.

BTW Kyrie over 19.5 was the easiest money I've made in my life.

With Kyrie back you shouldn't have to play both Harden AND KD 41 minutes to beat a depleted tired bad pacers team

[Hello Brooklyn]

With Kyrie back you add another 3 level scorer. He doesn't need free throws to get buckets which is valuable especially with the slight rule changes and the way they officiate in the playoffs. Harden needs to be hidden on defense so having him guard non stars in the post has always been the solution since he's very strong down there. Now it's time for the team to sit Kyrie down and tell him it's time to get vaccinated, cause this omicron isn't going anywhere and the mandates aren't going anywhere either.

Kyrie seems intent on still not getting it. Even in the interview today.

Idk what it will take.

But clearly we need him.

Kyrie doesn't need to change his mind. New York will likely give up on this mandate nonsense soon. The stubborn politicians are starting to look silly. At this point, the science doesn't even support them. The data is essentially irrefutable. Even the Fed is throwing in the towel.

It will not happen. Cases are exploding right now.

There is no political support to repeal it at all.

[Prokorov]

With news the Bucks are waiving Cousins, do we gamble? I think he would give us toughness and a solid post presence which we need against teams like the Bucks, Bulls and Heat. Cousins would give us another big body who can still rebound and play; right now is the time to nab him. Still 31 and played solid for Milwaukee.

I dont see how Cousins improves us. I dont see our rebounding issues as having anything to do with our centers. its more that we go small 1-4 and switch everything so guys like mills are boxing out guys like sabonis. I also dont think rebounding is a big priority, nor does it really warrant being one.

I dont see cousins as an upgrade to LMA/Blake/Claxton or add much to that group warranty cutting someone.

I also dont see why post offense is needed to beat someone, let alone beat good teams.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie seems intent on still not getting it. Even in the interview today.

Idk what it will take.

But clearly we need him.

Kyrie doesn't need to change his mind. New York will likely give up on this mandate nonsense soon. The stubborn politicians are starting to look silly. At this point, the science doesn't even support them. The data is essentially irrefutable. Even the Fed is throwing in the towel.

It will not happen. Cases are exploding right now.

There is no political support to repeal it at all.

That is pretty much why it will be revised or removed at some point. cases are exploding, spread is vast and cant really be contained much. Vaccines help reduce likelyhood of complication, but its spreading regardless. Which given its (so far) producing lesser symptoms then prior strands, a good thing.

We should reach herd immunity or endemic status. It is getting closer and closer to being at the risk levels of the common cold or the flu. Their is no political pressure to keep these mandates anymore especially when the science doesnt support it. The mandates are not preventing spread and we arent seeing ICUs overwhelming (overall admission are up, but not ICU admissions)

looking at south africa, who is only 25% vaccinated, the end is likely in sight of this being a pandemic

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie doesn't need to change his mind. New York will likely give up on this mandate nonsense soon. The stubborn politicians are starting to look silly. At this point, the science doesn't even support them. The data is essentially irrefutable. Even the Fed is throwing in the towel.

It will not happen. Cases are exploding right now.

There is no political support to repeal it at all.

That is pretty much why it will be revised or removed at some point. cases are exploding, spread is vast and cant really be contained much. Vaccines help reduce likelyhood of complication, but its spreading regardless. Which given its (so far) producing lesser symptoms then prior strands, a good thing.

We should reach herd immunity or endemic status. It is getting closer and closer to being at the risk levels of the common cold or the flu. Their is no political pressure to keep these mandates anymore especially when the science doesnt support it. The mandates are not preventing spread and we arent seeing ICUs overwhelming (overall admission are up, but not ICU admissions)

looking at south africa, who is only 25% vaccinated, the end is likely in sight of this being a pandemic

Youre just looking at it from your point of view.

It doesn't matter what you think is right. It matters how politicians view it in NYC.

Cases right now are at an all time high and there is no appetite at all to repeal mandates. Saying they are not preventing the spread is just a lie. They do help prevent the spread.

Maybe in a few months once Omicron passes we may start to see a relaxation of regulation. Right now nothing is going to happen.

Kyrie just needs to get the **** shot.

[MrDollarBills]

Mills is better off coming off the bench. he has been a microwave his entire career and is closer to that role off the pine. he is still gonna get his 30ish minutes either way. But as a starter he is window dressing. KD/Harden are gonna dominate the ball to start, he is just a floor spacer there.

I didnt hate the death lineup to end the game were kyrie and mills were on with KD/Durant

I liked the line up with Bembry playing the Andre Igoudala role, and you can easily mix and match Harris with Mills when he comes back.

Durant/Bembry/Mills/Kyrie/Harden and let Kyrie go ISO at the top of the key with everyone else spacing out. That's pretty hard to stop

I think i prefer it with Bembry also but give me at least a 6 minute trial run of:

Harden | Mills | Kyrie | Harris | KD

woof.

Sheesh. That's overkill

[MrDollarBills]

It will not happen. Cases are exploding right now.

There is no political support to repeal it at all.

That is pretty much why it will be revised or removed at some point. cases are exploding, spread is vast and cant really be contained much. Vaccines help reduce likelyhood of complication, but its spreading regardless. Which given its (so far) producing lesser symptoms then prior strands, a good thing.

We should reach herd immunity or endemic status. It is getting closer and closer to being at the risk levels of the common cold or the flu. Their is no political pressure to keep these mandates anymore especially when the science doesnt support it. The mandates are not preventing spread and we arent seeing ICUs overwhelming (overall admission are up, but not ICU admissions)

looking at south africa, who is only 25% vaccinated, the end is likely in sight of this being a pandemic

Youre just looking at it from your point of view.

It doesn't matter what you think is right. It matters how politicians view it in NYC.

Cases right now are at an all time high and there is no appetite at all to repeal mandates. Saying they are not preventing the spread is just a lie. They do help prevent the spread.

Maybe in a few months once Omicron passes we may start to see a relaxation of regulation. Right now nothing is going to happen.

Kyrie just needs to get the **** shot.

Unvaccinated NYers are still getting infected and hospitalized at more than 6x and 14x the rate of vaccinated ones.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-hospitalizations-top-2021-surge-levels-as-omicron-drives-95-of-cases/3476250/

Hospitalizations would be even higher in the city if not for the mandate. Just because the virus has become more contagious doesn't mean that vaccines aren't working, but this fact gets purposely overlooked by antivaxxers with a clear agenda.

There is zero reason why it should be lifted during this winter surge, and it's hilarious seeing an antivaxxer trying to say that science doesnt support a health policy that has clearly worked in terms of keeping the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. It's far easier to manage this situation when you have a highly vaccinated population like NYC's, thanks to the mandate.

I would prefer Kyrie get the shot, but I think that the Nets need to appeal for an exemption since Irving now has antibodies, and the fact that he qualifies as an out of state athlete since his residence is in NJ, where there are no mandates.

[Hello Brooklyn]

That is pretty much why it will be revised or removed at some point. cases are exploding, spread is vast and cant really be contained much. Vaccines help reduce likelyhood of complication, but its spreading regardless. Which given its (so far) producing lesser symptoms then prior strands, a good thing.

We should reach herd immunity or endemic status. It is getting closer and closer to being at the risk levels of the common cold or the flu. Their is no political pressure to keep these mandates anymore especially when the science doesnt support it. The mandates are not preventing spread and we arent seeing ICUs overwhelming (overall admission are up, but not ICU admissions)

looking at south africa, who is only 25% vaccinated, the end is likely in sight of this being a pandemic

Youre just looking at it from your point of view.

It doesn't matter what you think is right. It matters how politicians view it in NYC.

Cases right now are at an all time high and there is no appetite at all to repeal mandates. Saying they are not preventing the spread is just a lie. They do help prevent the spread.

Maybe in a few months once Omicron passes we may start to see a relaxation of regulation. Right now nothing is going to happen.

Kyrie just needs to get the **** shot.

Unvaccinated NYers are still getting infected and hospitalized at more than 6x and 14x the rate of vaccinated ones.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-hospitalizations-top-2021-surge-levels-as-omicron-drives-95-of-cases/3476250/

Hospitalizations would be even higher in the city if not for the mandate. Just because the virus has become more contagious doesn't mean that vaccines aren't working, but this fact gets purposely overlooked by antivaxxers with a clear agenda.

There is zero reason why it should be lifted during this winter surge, and it's hilarious seeing an antivaxxer trying to say that science doesnt support a health policy that has clearly worked in terms of keeping the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. It's far easier to manage this situation when you have a highly vaccinated population like NYC's, thanks to the mandate.

I would prefer Kyrie get the shot, but I think that the Nets need to appeal for an exemption since Irving now has antibodies, and the fact that he qualifies as an out of state athlete since his residence is in NJ, where there are no mandates.

I love Kyrie. Hes my favorite player in the NBA.

But I fully support these mandates. They are forcing people to get vaccinated who otherwise would not. This is preventing thousands of deaths since nearly all of the COVID deaths are coming from the unvaccinated.

He needs to be the bigger person and just get the shot. Rather than trying to get them to change the rules for him.

[Prokorov]

It will not happen. Cases are exploding right now.

There is no political support to repeal it at all.

That is pretty much why it will be revised or removed at some point. cases are exploding, spread is vast and cant really be contained much. Vaccines help reduce likelyhood of complication, but its spreading regardless. Which given its (so far) producing lesser symptoms then prior strands, a good thing.

We should reach herd immunity or endemic status. It is getting closer and closer to being at the risk levels of the common cold or the flu. Their is no political pressure to keep these mandates anymore especially when the science doesnt support it. The mandates are not preventing spread and we arent seeing ICUs overwhelming (overall admission are up, but not ICU admissions)

looking at south africa, who is only 25% vaccinated, the end is likely in sight of this being a pandemic

Youre just looking at it from your point of view.

It doesn't matter what you think is right. It matters how politicians view it in NYC.

Cases right now are at an all time high and there is no appetite at all to repeal mandates. Saying they are not preventing the spread is just a lie. They do help prevent the spread.

Maybe in a few months once Omicron passes we may start to see a relaxation of regulation. Right now nothing is going to happen.

Kyrie just needs to get the **** shot.

Democrats are no longer fighting for lockdowns and restrictions in the senate. there is no political pressure for mandates any more. The vaccine has not prevented the spread of the new strain. NY just peaked for positive cases despite its highest vaccination rate. Looking at the NBA as a microcosm, 99% vaccination rate but infections plaguing the league.

Cases being high is not an independent variable for risk. Risk factors in the mortality rate and rate of hospitalization. If we did testing for the common cold, cases would be sky high too, but we dont, cause its minor for most of the population.

Americans are no longer gung ho on mandates. they want freedom to move around. the political pressure isnt there like it was a year or even a quarter ago. and the science doesnt justify the mandate.

The mandate WILL end. the only question is when. id assume Q1 this year when we have over the counter and perscription treatment for covid infections and omicron has spread and shown little impact.

[Prokorov]

Unvaccinated NYers are still getting infected and hospitalized at more than 6x and 14x the rate of vaccinated ones.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-hospitalizations-top-2021-surge-levels-as-omicron-drives-95-of-cases/3476250/

Hospitalizations would be even higher in the city if not for the mandate. Just because the virus has become more contagious doesn't mean that vaccines aren't working, but this fact gets purposely overlooked by antivaxxers with a clear agenda.

No one claimed the vaccines were not working. the claim was vaccines have not been effective in preventing spread of omicron. At least not to any meaningful degree.

Hospital cases are up, but not ICU cases. Alot of that may have to do with panic, you have symptoms, you test positive, you go to the hospital, they discharge you with advice to treat it like the flu. We are not seeing ICUs over run or a shortage of ventilators.

There is zero reason why it should be lifted during this winter surge, and it's hilarious seeing an antivaxxer trying to say that science doesnt support a health policy that has clearly worked in terms of keeping the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. It's far easier to manage this situation when you have a highly vaccinated population like NYC's, thanks to the mandate.

it worked. past tense. it was necessary at one point. i dont believe it is necessary any longer. im all for being conservative and keeping it longer then needed. thats just smart. but the science no longer dictates that it is needed. it is not reducing spread and ICUs are not over run. meaning tons of people are still getting it, but not getting seriously sick.

it is very very likely endemic. we have OTC treatment. people are recovering at home. I very much believe in vaccines. i have had 2 shots + a booster. nothing at this point leads me to believe that the current state of COVID is any more dangerous to the public then the flu.