Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Moose Returns

[M-C-G]

Any chance OKC does Muscala a favor and trades him over for some guys they can buyout?

[jschligs]

boogie is like the worst defender for his position in the league. i dont understand what the confusion is.

he cant switch
he gets blown by easily
he fouls like a mfer
he doesnt defend the rim

i could care less about losing his inefficient high usage offense. i want a defender in that role.

his pouting and horrible body langauage with the refs was only going to get worse as his tenure went on and i cant even imagine combining his horrendous defense with zero self control in a playoff game. hes literally the last thing this team needs at that position moving forward as a risk reward bench contributor

i will agree it was fun to root him on in some random mid season games. he was a treat in his postgame interviews

I agree with you for once

In all seriousness, Boogie wasn't a needle mover in any capacity and probably would've seen very minimal minutes in the playoffs. And he wasn't a guaranteed contract.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll understand it if there's a sizable trade involving rostered guys (Nwora, Hood, Semi) that would have made Boogie redundant in the next few weeks. But don't give me this "roster flexibility" BS. You could have had "roster flexibility" if you had just re-signed a certain proven playoff rotation guy to a modest short-term deal, rather than waste three roster spots and salary dollars on useless players (Georgios, Semi, Hood). Again, this all seems to come back to tax dollars...

[Profound23]

Just so foul...you don't think other players are seeing this? After doing Tucker dirty?

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How on earth did they do Tucker dirty?

I wouldn't say they did him dirty, but there is some middle ground here. I get it...save money...keep a spot open...etc...etc.


But you have a player like PJ play as hard as he did last year....then let him walk. Now you get Cousins to come in and probably give more effort than he ever has in the NBA and let him walk......

Eventually players see this and will think well no matter how well I do on that team, they won't keep me around. You end up getting players who don't want to join....and when they do they have little incentive to give max effort. We like to say this is a business, but if I saw someone come on to my job and bust their a.. for this company for a couple of months then be let go, not sure how much effort Im gonna give.

Lopez better be back soon and hopefully no more injuries to our big men.

[chonestown]

I thought Deandre Nephew did enough to warrant a no takebacks sort of deal but than I am not Horts who has possible knowledge of red-hot Baltic prospects that may not be on the tick of the tongue of causal fans go 'bucs;

[All The Bucks]

Admittedly disappointed to see a Twitter-like reaction from many of you. C'mon, you're better than that. When the stated reason makes no sense, ask yourself what the unstated reason might be. This one really isn't that hard. There are no doubt both basketball and non-basketball reasons for this.

[buckboy]

Admittedly disappointed to see a Twitter-like reaction from many of you. C'mon, you're better than that. When the stated reason makes no sense, ask yourself what the unstated reason might be. This one really isn't that hard. There are no doubt both basketball and non-basketball reasons for this.

Seeing old-school Bucks board is getting me very nostalgic today.

[emunney]

Admittedly disappointed to see a Twitter-like reaction from many of you. C'mon, you're better than that. When the stated reason makes no sense, ask yourself what the unstated reason might be. This one really isn't that hard. There are no doubt both basketball and non-basketball reasons for this.

Do you know the unstated reason or are you just saying there must be one/several?

As long as we're saying things, we've got to also say that you can have reasons for doing something and still be wrong.

I'm withholding judgment on this because it doesn't add up to me (like, uncommonly so), so I feel like it's a MTC situation. But I don't feel good about it right now.

[BucksFanSD]

About ten days or so ago DeMarcus had a mini tirade on the court with the refs and the guy guarding him. This was slowly building and led to his turnover and then immediate foul followed by disdain for the officials. The camera switched to show Giannis' reaction as he was going back on defense, and I was thinking about how Giannis really felt about the addition.

[raferfenix]

"There's nothing that would prevent us from partnering with DeMarcus again down the road. He was so good for us" - Jon Horst.

Seems highly atypical to talk about bringing a guy back you just dropped like this.

If the Bucks didn't want Boogie for basketball reasons moreso than financial, is the theory that we are just doing a favor for Cousins' agent (Jeff Schwartz), or what?

[ChubsHarrison]

Meh. Bucks are looking towards the playoffs. I’ll trust Horst and Bud. I’m not worried.

[Turk Nowitzki]

"There's nothing that would prevent us from partnering with DeMarcus again down the road. He was so good for us" - Jon Horst.


If the Bucks didn't want Boogie for basketball reasons moreso than financial, is the theory that we are just doing a favor for Cousins' agent (Jeff Schwartz), or what?

Whether or not there were any issues it definitely reads like the Cousins camp is worried it will come off that way and asked Horst to say something nice about him on the way out as a favor.

[ShootingtheJ]

The only reason I can think for cutting Boogie (other than the owners being cheap) is to entice a buyout or trade candidate (a la Tucker) to join the team. What I mean is that with Lopez out for the foreseeable future and now Boogie gone, even a slightly above average center can get a lot of minutes on the current league champion squad.

More likely, we add a forward, and play outdated centers less. We need to prepare for the top teams we'll see in the playoffs that don't play traditional centers.

[raferfenix]

I'll understand it if there's a sizable trade involving rostered guys (Nwora, Hood, Semi) that would have made Boogie redundant in the next few weeks. But don't give me this "roster flexibility" BS. You could have had "roster flexibility" if you had just re-signed a certain proven playoff rotation guy to a modest short-term deal, rather than waste three roster spots and salary dollars on useless players (Georgios, Semi, Hood). Again, this all seems to come back to tax dollars...

Ownership has made Horst, Bud and Giannis' job harder by not just bringing PJ back.

It'd be naive for fans to ignore the tax dollars in these decisions -- over a period of years at that.

If the Bucks were in a bigger media market there would be way more public scrutiny of the owners mandating moves to prioritize their bottom line AFTER THEY RAKED IN CASH DURING A CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON.

Maybe Horst makes another great move and / or Giannis entices an unlikely acquisition (like he did with Bobby) that takes advantage of the minutes that Cousins and Tucker would otherwise have taken.

Or the Bucks extend Connaughton and bring Bobby back and fans forgive them for cheaping out in other areas.

Either way we should be clear-eyed that there are financial constraints that certain other teams aren't dealing with.

[WRau1]

How mad are you guys going to be when we trade Hood and Semi to ORL for Rolo?

[ReasonablySober]

If the Bucks were in a bigger media market there would be way more public scrutiny of the owners mandating moves to prioritize their bottom line AFTER THEY RAKED IN CASH DURING A CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON.

Honest question, has anyone ever done a study to determine exactly how much actual money there is in winning a title? Because I see this casually tossed around, and I don't think there is a financial windfall that comes with a title.

[emunney]

boogie is like the worst defender for his position in the league. i dont understand what the confusion is.

he cant switch
he gets blown by easily
he fouls like a mfer
he doesnt defend the rim

i could care less about losing his inefficient high usage offense. i want a defender in that role.

his pouting and horrible body langauage with the refs was only going to get worse as his tenure went on and i cant even imagine combining his horrendous defense with zero self control in a playoff game. hes literally the last thing this team needs at that position moving forward as a risk reward bench contributor

i will agree it was fun to root him on in some random mid season games. he was a treat in his postgame interviews

Wait a minute, weren't you recently saying that great pick-ups like Boogie wouldn't be possible if we'd kept PJ?

[Brewhoopfan]

Admittedly disappointed to see a Twitter-like reaction from many of you. C'mon, you're better than that. When the stated reason makes no sense, ask yourself what the unstated reason might be. This one really isn't that hard. There are no doubt both basketball and non-basketball reasons for this.

Do you know the unstated reason or are you just saying there must be one/several?

As long as we're saying things, we've got to also say that you can have reasons for doing something and still be wrong.

I'm withholding judgment on this because it doesn't add up to me (like, uncommonly so), so I feel like it's a MTC situation. But I don't feel good about it right now.

And the "unstated reason" will most likely never become public, so we'll just need to trust they are doing it for the right reasons (even if those reasons are proven to be wrong). I'm 100% confident the reasoning isn't: We'd like to reduce our chances to win another championship.

[Ron Swanson]

Pretty sure the extra playoff revenue/ticket sales (20+ games) as well as championship merchandise is what factors into that. And there was that article in the MJS where they (I think Feigin?) admitted they made something like an extra $20 million over their previous revenue projections. So yeah, no excuses when I hear the "it's $28 million with luxury tax, not $14 million" arguments. For this year at least, these guys can stomach it.

[coolhandluke121]

How mad are you guys going to be when we trade Hood and Semi to ORL for Rolo?

Is this sarcasm? I think that would be awesome. I'm really not at all worried about losing Cousins, or PJ for that matter. I was getting really annoyed with DMC's crybaby face on every foul. A little worried about the lack of a center, but I think neither Cousins nor PJ is the answer to what they're missing right now. Frankly Wes looks every bit as good as PJ right now, maybe even better, and with a similar competitive personality and skill-set.

I was playing around with Brook for Nurkic or Nance Jr. trades the other day and still wonder if that's an option. Portland might value the chance to tank for a high pick this year while still hoping to compete next year, and Brook will be making less than they'll have to pay Nurkic. Nurkic would be a rental, but the Bucks probably need to consider making a sacrifice like that because they have a great chance at another title.