Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[HumbleRen]

Definitely not running an offense or playing PG. What's going to happen is people will complain about his turnovers and his play in every game thread going forward and I wouldn't be shocked if some people at the end of the year will wish Toronto had drafted Giddey or Wagner.

Lmao, too much dip on your chip now

I wouldn't be shocked. He isn't featured and is being exposed into a situation he won't succeed in.

And if you read the thread, there already have been users saying Wagner is not far behind him in general and Giddey is far ahead of everyone else in court vision.

So let an injured Barnes struggle in the position he is put in as the 5th option for the rest of the season and these takes will be common.

I know, I said that my self. But I solely meant that in terms of raw numbers, not who’s the better player.

Nobody is going to say they wish they drafted Wagner or Giddey over Barnes unless you just don’t like Barnes as a prospect.

[HumbleRen]

yeah, what's going on there? why do you wear a tape for 2 month unless the injury is a lot worse than anticipated?

It's not like we use or need him much with a full roster anyway. I say, let him get healthy and come back when someone else is out again. He has way too many issues to keep playing with that.

Probably the type of injury where it won’t fully heal until it has surgery but not significant enough to make him get it during the season.

You’re not watching the raptors play if you think they have the luxury of sitting him.

They absolutely should have the luxury of sitting an injured Barnes who is taking 6-7 shots per game and is 6th in usage behind Booshay. Not that an injured player is very effective anyway.

He’s averaging 12/8/4 since everyone’s been healthy, you can’t replace those numbers with Boucher, like what lol ?

[johanliebert]

This has nothing to do with being smarter. They relying on the vets on offense and due to Banton and Flynn not being or ready or simply not being good they are trying out Barnes at PG where he won't succeed and turn the ball over.

They want to win games ultimately.

You’re supposed to turn the ball over when trying to create plays for others. It’s way too early to say he won’t succeed as a primary playmaker he already has the gift of seeing plays others can’t and is willing to take risks.

Yes, but running an offense/playing PG and just creating for others are different circumstances. Barnes can't run an offense and isn't natural doing it. But he can make plays for others if you give him the ball in the half court and give him the option to either attack make a pass to an open cutter or shooter.

Again have some patience it takes awhile to learn an nba offence, get the team in actions and get guys in their spots. You can’t say barnes is incapable of doing this at 20 in the first 4 months of his pro career. Turning the ball over is part of being a playmaker guys like bron/doncic turn the ball over.

And refrain from Kyle Anderson comparisons we’ve seen Derozan as a rookie be an afterthought.

[Madhouse]

No doubt the raptors are really good at developing guys and Scottie will be good in the long run.
Tonight was just a bad game for him but I also worry that he will revert back to not shooting and he won’t get guarded at all. Bucks started doing that in the second half.

He will definitely revert back to that due to not being involved/being the 5th option and out of rhythm and the few shots he will take, he will miss. He will look a lot like Kyle Anderson

Did you miss derozans rookie year where he was behind vets so he was relegated to being the 5th option whenever he was on the floor. He didn’t end up being some passive player he actually developed into a career 20 ppg scorer. Eventually pascal and possible fvv/og will be moved and Barnes will have the team for himself have some patience.

Not really doubting his longterm outlook but for this year that's where I see this trending and I doubt he will look good doing it. By the end of the year I see a lot of people questioning his fit with the Raptors and even his talent due to not being involved and when he gets involved struggled in his position. I guess he will be similar to Demar in that regard.

[Madhouse]

Probably the type of injury where it won’t fully heal until it has surgery but not significant enough to make him get it during the season.

You’re not watching the raptors play if you think they have the luxury of sitting him.

They absolutely should have the luxury of sitting an injured Barnes who is taking 6-7 shots per game and is 6th in usage behind Booshay. Not that an injured player is very effective anyway.

He’s averaging 12/8/4 since everyone’s been healthy, you can’t replace those numbers with Boucher, like what lol ?

yeah but he is injured now. This will only further contribute to declining numbers and declining production and contribution.

[Madhouse]

You’re supposed to turn the ball over when trying to create plays for others. It’s way too early to say he won’t succeed as a primary playmaker he already has the gift of seeing plays others can’t and is willing to take risks.

Yes, but running an offense/playing PG and just creating for others are different circumstances. Barnes can't run an offense and isn't natural doing it. But he can make plays for others if you give him the ball in the half court and give him the option to either attack make a pass to an open cutter or shooter.

Again have some patience it takes awhile to learn an nba offence, get the team in actions and get guys in their spots. You can’t say barnes is incapable of doing this at 20 in the first 4 months of his pro career. Turning the ball over is part of being a playmaker guys like bron/doncic turn the ball over.

And refrain from Kyle Anderson comparisons we’ve seen Derozan as a rookie be an afterthought.

No I think he will look a lot like Kyle Anderson for the rest of his rookie season here on the Raptors. Doesn't mean his longterm future is that but he will struggle this year.

[srhcan]

If the big 4 stay uninjured then Raptors will replace Barnes with a Center (Birch/Auchiwa) in starting lineup soon

[Madhouse]

If the big 4 stay uninjured then Raptors will replace Barnes with a Center (Birch/Auchiwa) in starting lineup soon

Hopefully not Birch. Precious is a blackhole offensively but his defense is impressive and our starting lineup has a lot of firepower regardless.

[srhcan]

People a lot smarter than us think Scottie is being developed perfectly. The team knows what they are doing. Tonight highlighted why he's our 5th option. There are four guys on offense that are clearly better. Scottie will get there though.

Dont be a sheep. You can think for yourself

[Chandan]

the vet actually managed to kill the hype machine that is Scottie Barnes lol

it's not your time to shine yet rookie~ pecking order

[srhcan]

If the big 4 stay uninjured then Raptors will replace Barnes with a Center (Birch/Auchiwa) in starting lineup soon

Hopefully not Birch. Precious is a blackhole offensively but his defense is impressive and our starting lineup has a lot of firepower regardless.

I am ok with any of Birch and Precious playing Center. Main point is currently Raptors are forcing poor Siakam and OG to play out of their positions only to accommodate Barnes in starting lineup. I am pretty sure Siakam, OG, Birch and Precious are not happy with the current setup. If Raptors want to push for playoffs then they have to play more standard lineup

[Los_29]

People a lot smarter than us think Scottie is being developed perfectly. The team knows what they are doing. Tonight highlighted why he's our 5th option. There are four guys on offense that are clearly better. Scottie will get there though.

Dont be a sheep. You can think for yourself

What?

I sincerely hope you're being sarcastic there. And even if you were it still makes absolutely no sense.

[Madhouse]

If the big 4 stay uninjured then Raptors will replace Barnes with a Center (Birch/Auchiwa) in starting lineup soon

Hopefully not Birch. Precious is a blackhole offensively but his defense is impressive and our starting lineup has a lot of firepower regardless.

I am ok with any of Birch and Precious playing Center. Main point is currently Raptors are forcing poor Siakam and OG to play out of their positions only to accommodate Barnes in starting lineup. I am pretty sure Siakam, OG, Birch and Precious are not happy with the current setup. If Raptors want to push for playoffs then they have to play more standard lineup

I don't think it's a setup that gets the best out of everyone and it's not sustainable in the longterm. I think your poor is pointing at the wrong players but it doesn't really matter. Either way they drafted talent over fit so they have to live with it now. I get a chuckle every time Barnes is subbed out after 2-3 minutes into the game to bring in Birch though, that's very unusual. Might as well start Precious and bring in Barnes with the 2nd unit, give him a short break and then bring in until the end of half again.

[Madhouse]

Lmao, too much dip on your chip now

I wouldn't be shocked. He isn't featured and is being exposed into a situation he won't succeed in.

And if you read the thread, there already have been users saying Wagner is not far behind him in general and Giddey is far ahead of everyone else in court vision.

So let an injured Barnes struggle in the position he is put in as the 5th option for the rest of the season and these takes will be common.

I know, I said that my self. But I solely meant that in terms of raw numbers, not who’s the better player.

Nobody is going to say they wish they drafted Wagner or Giddey over Barnes unless you just don’t like Barnes as a prospect.

I will keep monitoring this thread until season's end. I think you will be very surprised.

[hype_2004]

I think his lack of burst has been the most disappointing thing about him. He looked way more explosive in College and HS. Might be a lingering injury because even his gait is all weird and wacky.

He's a little hurt, tendinitis in his legs. But he makes plays out there while being the FIFTH option, let's put that on perspective. If he's playing for Detroit, Orlando, OKC or Houston there's no doubt in my mind that Barnes becomes a solid 20/10/5+ player even in his rookie year, he's very capable, he's poised and has an extremely high BBall IQ that can't be taught. We're winning games with Barnes taking the backseat shows how much character this kid has for deferring and helping his teammates succeed.

[alienchild]

If the big 4 stay uninjured then Raptors will replace Barnes with a Center (Birch/Auchiwa) in starting lineup
soon

No they won't. Birch/Achiuwa are meant to sub in for one of our 3 jumbo wings if necessary and anchor a second unit with a different type of play than our starters. Our current starters are likely to be pretty standard for the rest of the season.

[alienchild]

People a lot smarter than us think Scottie is being developed perfectly. The team knows what they are doing. Tonight highlighted why he's our 5th option. There are four guys on offense that are clearly better. Scottie will get there though.

Dont be a sheep. You can think for yourself

What a sheepish reply.

[OakleyDokely]

In last nights game, the Bucks shot 7/19 (36.8%) against Barnes. Middleton/Holiday were a combined 3/9 (33.3%) against him.

Dude is going up against the best every night and he's handling his own, sometimes shutting down the competition.

[Los_29]

They absolutely should have the luxury of sitting an injured Barnes who is taking 6-7 shots per game and is 6th in usage behind Booshay. Not that an injured player is very effective anyway.

He’s averaging 12/8/4 since everyone’s been healthy, you can’t replace those numbers with Boucher, like what lol ?

yeah but he is injured now. This will only further contribute to declining numbers and declining production and contribution.

Where did you hear that he is injured? I haven't seen any reports that he's injured.

[Madhouse]

He’s averaging 12/8/4 since everyone’s been healthy, you can’t replace those numbers with Boucher, like what lol ?

yeah but he is injured now. This will only further contribute to declining numbers and declining production and contribution.

Where did you hear that he is injured? I haven't seen any reports that he's injured.

He was favoring his hip and on top of that just dealt with knee tendinitis