The 2022 NBA Draft Thread

[tiderulz]

If we decide to go big it may be unpopular but i still like holmgren....in that scenario bamba is gone, chet comes right in and gives you the rim protection and the 3's but he's more skilled imo...

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i dont know that he "comes right in" for that rim protection. Dude has toothpicks for arms.

[Xatticus]

If we decide to go big it may be unpopular but i still like holmgren....in that scenario bamba is gone, chet comes right in and gives you the rim protection and the 3's but he's more skilled imo...

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Not trying to be an ass or anything, just curious, why? Like what am I missing? Every time I've watched him, I've come away questioning why everyone had his ranked in the top 2-3 of this draft. I just don't get it?

The arguments for him are very similar to what they were for Mobley. He is 7'0" with a 7'5" wingspan and he knows how to use his length. He knows where to be and his timing as a help defender is terrific. He can be your defensive anchor. He isn't helpless in space. Beyond that, he is just a very skilled and smart basketball player. He will be an asset at the offensive end. The only concern is his body. He gets pushed around, but he is tough. You fear that one leg injury could derail his career.

[The Effect]

If we decide to go big it may be unpopular but i still like holmgren....in that scenario bamba is gone, chet comes right in and gives you the rim protection and the 3's but he's more skilled imo...

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Not trying to be an ass or anything, just curious, why? Like what am I missing? Every time I've watched him, I've come away questioning why everyone had his ranked in the top 2-3 of this draft. I just don't get it?

The arguments for him are very similar to what they were for Mobley. He is 7'0" with a 7'5" wingspan and he knows how to use his length. He knows where to be and his timing as a help defender is terrific. He can be your defensive anchor. He isn't helpless in space. Beyond that, he is just a very skilled and smart basketball player. He will be an asset at the offensive end. The only concern is his body. He gets pushed around, but he is tough. You fear that one leg injury could derail his career.

yeah i guess so, but to me hes still seems like just a skinny tall kid with some athletic ability
But still cant get over just how frail he is. I mean kinda reminds me of say prozingis when he was drafted.....except that Proz had a good 25lbs on him back them, and still needed to bulk up. To play anything besides SF, hes gonna need to put on a minimum of 30lbs, and im always worried about adding that much weight to a frail frame. Look at JI, who has added about 20lbs since joining the nba

[KillMonger]

I just feel like with holmgren for me the only question is, if he can put on more weight.....But the potential is there...the skill is there....the defensive instincts is there and he actually has a motor....At 7 feet the kid can grab the rebound and take it coast to coast, do you understand how much pressure you can put on the defense with a big that can do that? it's rare....Jokic...Embiid...AD....there aren't many that can do that because they are lacking the.....say it with me guys....skill.....we need to keep drafting shooters and skill players....our days of drafting just athletes should be over...which brings me to Jaden Ivey

The hype is real with the kid and to be completely transparent i need to watch more film on him, from what i've seen i like what he can do....but the only thing that gives me pause would be drafting a player where athleticism and defense are the best parts of his game....maybe it's just me....i'll just need to keep watching film on him

[The Effect]

I just feel like with holmgren for me the only question is, if he can put on more weight.....But the potential is there...the skill is there....the defensive instincts is there and he actually has a motor....At 7 feet the kid can grab the rebound and take it coast to coast, do you understand how much pressure you can put on the defense with a big that can do that? it's rare....Jokic...Embiid...AD....there aren't many that can do that because they are lacking the.....say it with me guys....skill.....we need to keep drafting shooters and skill players....our days of drafting just athletes should be over...

Makes sense, and would be nice to have a guy like that on the team (assuming he can put on the weight, which im skeptical on), but cant you say the same thing about Jabari and Paolo?

All 3 seem very similar in that aspect, with jabari and paolo being more athletic but chet being the better shot blocker?

Personally if we get #1, (AS OF 1/6/22), im taking Jabari #1

[Skybox]

Chet's an awesome college player. It's not automatic that he can (or should pack on muscle)...he's just got a slender frame. An NBA weight room will not turn him into Dwight Howard. I'm not saying he needs to do that to succeed, but there are real questions about how far he can go, even if his skill and BBIQ are high...sounds like Sean Bradley. If you're getting pushed around in college, you're dead meat in the NBA. Guys that long will get their blocks, but low body weakness will limit true defensive impact for a big man (*see Bamba, Mohammed)

[Bensational]

Chet's an awesome college player. It's not automatic that he can (or should pack on muscle)...he's just got a slender frame. An NBA weight room will not turn him into Dwight Howard. I'm not saying he needs to do that to succeed, but there are real questions about how far he can go, even if his skill and BBIQ are high...sounds like Sean Bradley. If you're getting pushed around in college, you're dead meat in the NBA. Guys that long will get their blocks, but low body weakness will limit true defensive impact for a big man (*see Bamba, Mohammed)

Gobert did well enough in his early years and he was a beanpole. Isaac would be fine if his knees weren’t a mess. Having the length to use is one thing but knowing how to use it separates the defenders from the pretenders.

On offense, if banging isn’t his forte he can still develop into a near unstoppable scorer with his length and shooting touch.

[thelead]

Ivey
Chet
Jabari
Paolo
Mathurin

That's my top 5 right now. I'll be ecstatic about the top 3... so we'll get the 4th pick

[KillMonger]

I just feel like with holmgren for me the only question is, if he can put on more weight.....But the potential is there...the skill is there....the defensive instincts is there and he actually has a motor....At 7 feet the kid can grab the rebound and take it coast to coast, do you understand how much pressure you can put on the defense with a big that can do that? it's rare....Jokic...Embiid...AD....there aren't many that can do that because they are lacking the.....say it with me guys....skill.....we need to keep drafting shooters and skill players....our days of drafting just athletes should be over...

Makes sense, and would be nice to have a guy like that on the team (assuming he can put on the weight, which im skeptical on), but cant you say the same thing about Jabari and Paolo?

All 3 seem very similar in that aspect, with jabari and paolo being more athletic but chet being the better shot blocker?

Personally if we get #1, (AS OF 1/6/22), im taking Jabari #1

Can i say the say the same? eh......sort of....it depends on what you want....i was thinking about a player that can do all the skill stuff AND be a defensive anchor.....Now that is something i believe i can say about Chet that i can't say about Jabari and paolo....now there is still basketball left and their film can still expand but from what i've seen? Jabari is a good defender but anchor? not really....paolo an anchor? not a chance but what they may lack in that area they make up elsewhere...

Honestly speaking you can make it work with any of those guys plus ivey since this is pretty much a 4 player draft....Jabari is like orlando Shard Lewis, Paolo seems like some cross between Julius Randle and Brandon ingram, Chet being Porzingis with a little AD sprinkled on top.....then you got ivey that seems like Westbrook/Morant....can't go wrong

like i said before chet works for me personally because i believe bamba is heading out the door and chet fits without any real roster conflicts...also for me at this point there is no clear #1 IMO Jabari/Chet/Paolo are in the same tier with ivey a bit lower(so far).....i think team needs will be more prevalent in this draft as opposed to others, the talent level in this draft to me isn't as high....

[PrimeThyme]

The arguments for him are very similar to what they were for Mobley. He is 7'0" with a 7'5" wingspan and he knows how to use his length. He knows where to be and his timing as a help defender is terrific. He can be your defensive anchor. He isn't helpless in space. Beyond that, he is just a very skilled and smart basketball player. He will be an asset at the offensive end. The only concern is his body. He gets pushed around, but he is tough. You fear that one leg injury could derail his career.

I may be in the minority here, but I'm not even sure how much weight I want Chet to gain. So much of his value for me lies with his mobility, stretch capabilities, and potential perimeter creation skillset off the dribble. Chet will gain weight, Shawn Bradley had many of the same concerns coming out of college and had no problem doing so (almost to his detriment) once entering the league.

Sure, over the next couple of years it would be nice to see Chet gain an extra 15-20 pounds, but I wouldn't overdo it and pack it on at risk of sacrificing the exact aspects of his game that make him such an interesting prospect.

If his body is going to break down, it's going to break down, but that's an assessment that needs to be made through predraft medicals and team doctors. Personally, I'm sold and would draft him in the top 4 without hesitation, but I'm not doing it with the plan of adding 60 pounds to him like so many people talk as if he needs to.

I felt, and feel, the exact same way about Mobley. People were so caught up in his slim frame, but to me, it's what lends to his mobile skillset and is what makes him such an elite prospect. I don't ever need him to be 260 pounds.

[SOUL]

It's never been about weight in the NBA. Plenty of good skinny ballers, it's just about functional strength and being able to withstand the rigors of the NBA. Durant is as skinny as they come, especially in his younger years, but didn't get bullied that much.

[basketballRob]

Another skinny forgotten player was Geoge Gervin. He reminds me a lot of Franz except he had the finger roll and Franz has floaters. Get in did most of his scoring with drives to the basket.

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[Petre1978]

Johnny Davis against top comp Wisconin's played this season so far

Houston: 30/4/1
Indiana: 23/9/1
Ohio St: 24/7/3
Purdue: 37/14/3
Iowa: 26/9/5

In conference he's averaging 28/10/2.3

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[jezzerinho]

It's never been about weight in the NBA. Plenty of good skinny ballers, it's just about functional strength and being able to withstand the rigors of the NBA. Durant is as skinny as they come, especially in his younger years, but didn't get bullied that much.

True, lots of elite players were underweight coming into the league - Gobert, Pau, Durant to name a few. But just about all of them had a better frame to add muscle and heft than Chet has. He's so ridiculously narrow from the waist right up through his shoulders that the idea of him being big enough to bang around in the post or at least hold his own as a 5 is tough to envision, for me at least....

[VFX]

The arguments for him are very similar to what they were for Mobley. He is 7'0" with a 7'5" wingspan and he knows how to use his length. He knows where to be and his timing as a help defender is terrific. He can be your defensive anchor. He isn't helpless in space. Beyond that, he is just a very skilled and smart basketball player. He will be an asset at the offensive end. The only concern is his body. He gets pushed around, but he is tough. You fear that one leg injury could derail his career.

I may be in the minority here, but I'm not even sure how much weight I want Chet to gain. So much of his value for me lies with his mobility, stretch capabilities, and potential perimeter creation skillset off the dribble. Chet will gain weight, Shawn Bradley had many of the same concerns coming out of college and had no problem doing so (almost to his detriment) once entering the league.

Sure, over the next couple of years it would be nice to see Chet gain an extra 15-20 pounds, but I wouldn't overdo it and pack it on at risk of sacrificing the exact aspects of his game that make him such an interesting prospect.

If his body is going to break down, it's going to break down, but that's an assessment that needs to be made through predraft medicals and team doctors. Personally, I'm sold and would draft him in the top 4 without hesitation, but I'm not doing it with the plan of adding 60 pounds to him like so many people talk as if he needs to.

I felt, and feel, the exact same way about Mobley. People were so caught up in his slim frame, but to me, it's what lends to his mobile skillset and is what makes him such an elite prospect. I don't ever need him to be 260 pounds.

Yeah, I’m feeling the same way about Chet. It’s all about the system he’s in and how he’s being utilized.

His appeal is being a complete mismatch on the perimeter on both sides of the court. Not so much hoping he gains a bunch of weight to be formidable against guys that were already twice his size.

Like others have mentioned I worry about his frame and injuries. It’s always a gamble that could either pay off (KD) or not (KP). Chet currently weighs less than both did as rookies coming into the league.

I like the idea of Chet. I just don’t know if I could stomach watching another Isaac situation of a guy that can’t stay on the court because their frame just won’t allow a full season.

[Petre1978]

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Don't get me wrong i really like Ivey but in this case i take the pure scorer(Davis) over the elite athlete(Ivey).

The Magic need skilled players.

[zaymon]

I love that Davis joined top 5 debate. We need as much talent inside top 5 as possible knowing our luck! Honestly i propably prefer Johny over Ivey. He is bigger, seems more disciplined and i love his wide frame ! Only problem is fit becouse his role feels identical to Suggs. We will see Fultz soon, if he is still underwhelming i will be more willing to go with Davis 4-5. Also can Davis play 3 ? Propably too small and not enough rebounding with Wagner at the 4.

[OrlChamps2030]

It feels like people are still going off of Chet’s high school tape. Guys on here are talking about his offense like he’s a shot creator saying things like he goes coast to coast, perimeter creation ability, saying he’s a ball handling big.. but that really hasn’t been the case at the college level. He looks more like a low USG lower volume offensive player. But with his high BBIQ he should be pretty efficient and post a good AST%. I expect him to be a smart off-the-ball player as well.

[OrlChamps2030]

Anyone see Vecenie’s latest mock?

Houston - Smith
Orlando - Banchero
Houston - Chet
OKC - Ivey
Portland - Johnny Davis

Orlando Magic - Paolo Banchero

He’s still very strongly in the mix to go No. 1. He’s as polished a mismatch nightmare offensively at 6-foot-10 as I can remember evaluating…The questions do come on defense a bit, but I wouldn’t say Banchero is a negative defender. He has good instincts and is really smart as a rotational player. He just might lack some foot speed out on an island in space, while also lacking ideal measurements for a modern NBA center. Orlando, more than anything, needs another elite wing who can be an offensive playmaker, but that guy just isn’t here. So just take the best player available, and in this case, I actually love the fit of Franz Wagner (and potentially a frontline including Jonathan Isaac with Wendell Carter as a foursome) with Banchero.



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A lot of people would be disappointed with this draft. Most here like Holmgren over Banchero. I do feel like Banchero is a bit underrated on here though - IMO he has the most offensive upside of the top bigs (Smith/Banchero/Holmgren). Possible offensive hub like a Tatum or Knicks Carmelo (Banchero looks a bit more unselfish).

Banchero and Franz could form a potent offensive front court duo IMO

[zaymon]

Anyone see Vecenie’s latest mock?

Houston - Smith
Orlando - Banchero
Houston - Chet
OKC - Ivey
Portland - Johnny Davis

Orlando Magic - Paolo Banchero

He’s still very strongly in the mix to go No. 1. He’s as polished a mismatch nightmare offensively at 6-foot-10 as I can remember evaluating…The questions do come on defense a bit, but I wouldn’t say Banchero is a negative defender. He has good instincts and is really smart as a rotational player. He just might lack some foot speed out on an island in space, while also lacking ideal measurements for a modern NBA center. Orlando, more than anything, needs another elite wing who can be an offensive playmaker, but that guy just isn’t here. So just take the best player available, and in this case, I actually love the fit of Franz Wagner (and potentially a frontline including Jonathan Isaac with Wendell Carter as a foursome) with Banchero.



Sharing because I know a lot of us like Vecenie.

A lot of people would be disappointed with this draft. Most here like Holmgren over Banchero. I do feel like Banchero is a bit underrated on here though - IMO he has the most offensive upside of the top bigs (Smith/Banchero/Holmgren). Possible offensive hub like a Tatum or Knicks Carmelo (Banchero looks a bit more unselfish).

Banchero and Franz could form a potent offensive front court duo IMO

Not the biggest Banchero fan and i dont see how he fits next to Wagner. Average defender, poor shooter. Its similar fit to Tatum and Brown. We need rim protection, we need passing we need shooting we need perimeter defense, we need rebounding. Banchero gives you very small in those areas.