Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[Madhouse]

Gonna get me some 1st page real estate.

Great that we're winning and that we have a healthy roster, but I do miss those 25 and 10 games from Scottie. He's going to have to take the role of #1 option, I don't think Fred or Pascal are going to just hand it to him.

Dude it's never going to happen until Masai steps in, Fred & Siakam will just ice him and take turns jacking 25 plus shots for 30 points looking like stars against under manned teams while Scottie getting scrub attempts. He is a glorified garbage man player playing behind those two. Now you here fans who don't understand the game saying…. WHATS WRONG WITH SCOTTIE? Hard to score 25 points on 6 shots.

It's not just Fred and Siakam. Whoever the 4th option is that day will also take significantly more shots than him. He will mostly camp at the 3 point line and take shots out rhythm.

He can't really run an offense and opponents will soon know how Barnes is used in this full lineup and they will know he will be looking to pass and trying to deflect a lot of passes like we have seen yesterday.

He is going to struggle. I wouldn't expect much out of him the rest of the season. People coming in this thread after every game now and saying how bad he played etc. is going to be annoying.

[mdenny]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

[links135]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

That's cause he's barely taking any shots because we have a top 10 offence and lately a top 5.

So like in your mind the only way to contribute is to jack up shots?

[canada_dry]

1st page real estate? Last spot? Or am i 2nd page now

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[Chandan]

This 1st page will become crucial history when scottie becomes an all time greater.

Edit: Nvm

[Bruin]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

This might be one of the worst takes I’ve seen on RGM. Just cause he’s not scoring (he’s hardly even getting shots anyways) means he’s not producing and should get less minutes? Do you not see how he contributes in so many other ways?

Also as for the comment you made regarding Fred’s minutes, that is just so absurd. He’s already leading the league in MPG by a significant margin and you think he needs more minutes? Do you not worry at all about players needing to get rest during a game? He’s already putting up All Star numbers and should deservedly get selected as an all star by the Coaches, especially if we continue winning games. Giving Fred more minutes is absolutely not the answer, especially at the expense of Scottie.

Both guys are getting these big minutes cause the bench sucks, otherwise in an ideal world we’d be decreasing their minutes by like 3 mpg so they get adequate rest

[Madhouse]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

I suggest 48 minutes and 100% usage for Fred.

[Dude-niagara]

Gonna get me some 1st page real estate.

Great that we're winning and that we have a healthy roster, but I do miss those 25 and 10 games from Scottie. He's going to have to take the role of #1 option, I don't think Fred or Pascal are going to just hand it to him.

Dude it's never going to happen until Masai steps in, Fred & Siakam will just ice him and take turns jacking 25 plus shots for 30 points looking like stars against under manned teams while Scottie getting scrub attempts. He is a glorified garbage man player playing behind those two. Now you here fans who don't understand the game saying…. WHATS WRONG WITH SCOTTIE? Hard to score 25 points on 6 shots.

It's not just Fred and Siakam. Whoever the 4th option is that day will also take significantly more shots than him. He will mostly camp at the 3 point line and take shots out rhythm.

He can't really run an offense and opponents will soon know how Barnes is used in this full lineup and they will know he will be looking to pass and trying to deflect a lot of passes like we have seen yesterday.

He is going to struggle. I wouldn't expect much out of him the rest of the season. People coming in this thread after every game now and saying how bad he played etc. is going to be annoying.

You saw the difference when Siakam was not around, OG's prefers hanging out at the 3 point line and is not as ball dominant as Siakam. I expect Scottie to continue to look average with scrub point totals and fans who don't understand asking what's wrong with Scottie. It was always Siakam loyalists pushing this narrative that Scottie and Siakam had chemistry on the court. Like why did Scottie not see the ball in OT of that Nets game when it was his shot making and plays late in the 4th that brought us back? The vets iced him

[Dude-niagara]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

That's cause he's barely taking any shots because we have a top 10 offence and lately a top 5.

So like in your mind the only way to contribute is to jack up shots?

Who are we playing that guys are putting up points? teams all missing their top players ands tonight will be no different. Not sure how anyone expects Scottie to score when Siakam & Fred take turns beating down on crappy teams jacking 25 plus shots.

[Dude-niagara]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

I suggest 48 minutes and 100% usage for Fred.

Right lets send Scottie to 905 and them Siakam & Fred can jack 30 shots a piece because they showed last season how good they are when we play teams that have their main players on the court. Scottie is a scrub and needs to be taught a lesson. lol!

[dTox]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

This might be one of the worst takes I’ve seen on RGM. Just cause he’s not scoring (he’s hardly even getting shots anyways) means he’s not producing and should get less minutes? Do you not see how he contributes in so many other ways?

Also as for the comment you made regarding Fred’s minutes, that is just so absurd. He’s already leading the league in MPG by a significant margin and you think he needs more minutes? Do you not worry at all about players needing to get rest during a game? He’s already putting up All Star numbers and should deservedly get selected as an all star by the Coaches, especially if we continue winning games. Giving Fred more minutes is absolutely not the answer, especially at the expense of Scottie.

Both guys are getting these big minutes cause the bench sucks, otherwise in an ideal world we’d be decreasing their minutes by like 3 mpg so they get adequate rest

I think mdenny was being sarcastic?

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[alienchild]

I'm sensing a trend of rationalizing Scotties play of late by looking at team dynamics and pointing at possible problems. That's nuts.

Scottie was in protocol, had some knee tendonitis, still has issues with his thumb, has played a ton of minutes for a rookie and that's created a little rookie wall for him. It may last as long as the all-star break. In fact a couple of games of load management should be in order. Not worried about Scottie in the least. More worried about irrational expectations from RGM.

[anotherhomer]

I'm sensing a trend of rationalizing Scotties play of late by looking at team dynamics and pointing at possible problems. That's nuts.

Scottie was in protocol, had some knee tendonitis, still has issues with his thumb, has played a ton of minutes for a rookie and that's created a little rookie wall for him. It may last as long as the all-star break. In fact a couple of games of load management should be in order. Not worried about Scottie in the least. More worried about irrational expectations from RGM.

that's also a contributor to his decrease in numbers.
He is visibly limping and still dealing with the thumb injury (announcers mention he held onto his thumb).

The positive, Raps have a strong offense lately and Scottie is a strong contributor playing the Gasol-connector role

[Madhouse]

I'm sensing a trend of rationalizing Scotties play of late by looking at team dynamics and pointing at possible problems. That's nuts.

Scottie was in protocol, had some knee tendonitis, still has issues with his thumb, has played a ton of minutes for a rookie and that's created a little rookie wall for him. It may last as long as the all-star break. In fact a couple of games of load management should be in order. Not worried about Scottie in the least. More worried about irrational expectations from RGM.

Load management isn't going to happen under Nurse. He will keep playing hurt.

As far as expectations, I wouldn't have any until the end of the season. He is playing a position and role he is not comfortable playing while limping out there.

He will struggle which is going to results in tensions in some form. There will be people who will criticize his play every game (already seen this in the game thread, it's very predictable) but it could lead to RGM saying either he is not that good and we should have drafted someone else or more likely, changes are needed roster wise after the season. Either way it appears very unlikely it remains calm.

[TheRaptor!]

Gonna get me some 1st page real estate.

Great that we're winning and that we have a healthy roster, but I do miss those 25 and 10 games from Scottie. He's going to have to take the role of #1 option, I don't think Fred or Pascal are going to just hand it to him.

And is that a bad thing? I personally think the idea guys have to be given 1st option reps to improve is just BS. He has to improve, and he has to know he has to improve. What better way than internal competition?

Lowry did not hinder FVV's development, did he? Powell improved behind Demar and Kawhi, no? Siakam somehow progressed even though he was a rim runner in year 1. OG became a legitimate option even though Kawhi forced him to the bench.

Barnes is doing more in year 1 than any other one of our starters did in their first season, or 2, or even 3. He is going to be JUST. FINE.

Are we just gonna ignore the best post in the entire thread?

[Bruin]

:I think we need to start limiting Scotty's minutes now. He's barely scoring any points anymore. If you want playing time....you have to produce, period. The more minutes we give Fred....the better chance he makes the allstar team!

This might be one of the worst takes I’ve seen on RGM. Just cause he’s not scoring (he’s hardly even getting shots anyways) means he’s not producing and should get less minutes? Do you not see how he contributes in so many other ways?

Also as for the comment you made regarding Fred’s minutes, that is just so absurd. He’s already leading the league in MPG by a significant margin and you think he needs more minutes? Do you not worry at all about players needing to get rest during a game? He’s already putting up All Star numbers and should deservedly get selected as an all star by the Coaches, especially if we continue winning games. Giving Fred more minutes is absolutely not the answer, especially at the expense of Scottie.

Both guys are getting these big minutes cause the bench sucks, otherwise in an ideal world we’d be decreasing their minutes by like 3 mpg so they get adequate rest

I think mdenny was being sarcastic?

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Hard to tell. He’s had bad tales before. A post like that should use green font if he was indeed intending it to be sarcastic

[VanWest82]

I'd also be tempted to dial back Scottie's mins, but more so because he looks to be laboring out there. Is he playing hurt? He definitely seemed to be protecting his right knee vs. Bucks.

[vulture]

I'd also be tempted to dial back Scottie's mins, but more so because he looks to be laboring out there. Is he playing hurt? He definitely seemed to be protecting his right knee vs. Bucks.

he got hip checked in the first quarter and he was laboring for sure. He will ok, but dialing back the mins will not happen since the raptors have 6 games in 8 days coming up unfortunately.

[VanWest82]

I'd also be tempted to dial back Scottie's mins, but more so because he looks to be laboring out there. Is he playing hurt? He definitely seemed to be protecting his right knee vs. Bucks.

he got hip checked in the first quarter and he was laboring for sure. He will ok, but dialing back the mins will not happen since the raptors have 6 games in 8 days coming up unfortunately.

He also sat out a game due to knee tendonitis after getting cleared post covid and was getting his knee worked on in the 1st q by the training staff. I'd sit him somewhere in that stretch just to be safe. Protect the franchise. Nurse will make Pascal and Fred play all 8 @ 40+ mins lol.

[JShuttlesworth]

It's a shame that we've seen him become less involved in the offense, given the injury/covid riddled teams we've been playing. Overall it's a good problem to have though and I'm not worried about it. I'm sure at some point OG or Siakam will be out of the lineup again, and Scottie will fill in, he'll get his chance.

My hope is that Scottie's assists come up while his shots are down, that he's able to evolve into more of a facilitator with this current lineup. His FGA's are way down (7.3 FGA over the last 3 games), but his assists are only slightly up (4.0 over last 3 games).

I think he's fully capable of averaging 5-6 APG over the back half of the season with a healthy lineup. Even with his points coming down, Scottie averaging 10 PTS / 8 REB / 5 AST would be super impactful for us.