Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[ddb]

It stops the horford at PF experiment and it eliminates all the capspace horford eats up in the offseason.

False because Bledsoe is under contract at over 18million next season. I'm not positive if there are options attached...so Boston ends up coming out in worse position cap wise with this deal...

Bledsoe's deal isn't fully guaranteed next year. What do you think of getting Kennard in return from LAC?

No thanks. Can find Kennards on cheaper deals. What would your Kennard deal look like?

[Larry_Russell]

False because Bledsoe is under contract at over 18million next season. I'm not positive if there are options attached...so Boston ends up coming out in worse position cap wise with this deal...

Bledsoe's deal isn't fully guaranteed next year. What do you think of getting Kennard in return from LAC?

No thanks. Can find Kennards on cheaper deals. What would your Kennard deal look like?

For me

Schroder and richardson

[ShermansShoes]

You think?

Celtics would have given Joe Johnson more minutes than Desmond Bane. Don't exactly know what the plan is in Boston. Draft guys, don't play and develop them and then just let them go in 3 years?

Who knows?

100% agree. Why I hate when people make a Nesmith to Bane comp.. One has great opportunity to learn and develop. while the other has almost none.

Bane = the real deal.
Nesmith = Who the hell knows.. thanks Boston (Ime!)

speaking of which, I really can't stand Ime. I dislike his rotations. I don't like his play calling out of TO's. His demeanor lacks confidence. he's not great with the media. idk. just seems like a career assistant coach. I really don't understand what Brad and the ownership group see in him. He's a clear downgrade to Stevens.

You know exactly what they saw and why he was hired. This is what happens when you crowd source your coaching hire. I read more stories about his girlfriend then I did about his coaching philosophy. Brad was never the issue. I believe the issues are Smart and Brown, and a coach that is in way over his head. I for one would like to see a Tatum/Simmons/Timelord core. Not sure how you would get there nor am I sure where your points would come from. Probably why I'm not in an NBA office right now thinking up trades.

[ddb]

Bledsoe's deal isn't fully guaranteed next year. What do you think of getting Kennard in return from LAC?

No thanks. Can find Kennards on cheaper deals. What would your Kennard deal look like?

For me

Schroder and richardson

That's a bad trade for Boston

[ddb]

100% agree. Why I hate when people make a Nesmith to Bane comp.. One has great opportunity to learn and develop. while the other has almost none.

Bane = the real deal.
Nesmith = Who the hell knows.. thanks Boston (Ime!)

speaking of which, I really can't stand Ime. I dislike his rotations. I don't like his play calling out of TO's. His demeanor lacks confidence. he's not great with the media. idk. just seems like a career assistant coach. I really don't understand what Brad and the ownership group see in him. He's a clear downgrade to Stevens.

You know exactly what they saw and why he was hired. This is what happens when you crowd source your coaching hire. I read more stories about his girlfriend then I did about his coaching philosophy. Brad was never the issue. I believe the issues are Smart and Brown, and a coach that is in way over his head. I for one would like to see a Tatum/Simmons/Timelord core. Not sure how you would get there nor am I sure where your points would come from. Probably why I'm not in an NBA office right now thinking up trades.

Very good point....I didn't want to say it, but I'm glad you did.

Simmons/Tatum/Timelord with 2 shooters around them would be incredible. It's the revamping of a roster that I think this team needs. Simmons/Beal/Tatum/3/D guy/Timelord is a championship squad.

[Larry_Russell]

No thanks. Can find Kennards on cheaper deals. What would your Kennard deal look like?

For me

Schroder and richardson

That's a bad trade for Boston

I mistyped, I meant Schroder and Juancho

[CelticFaninLBC]

False because Bledsoe is under contract at over 18million next season. I'm not positive if there are options attached...so Boston ends up coming out in worse position cap wise with this deal...

Bledsoe's deal isn't fully guaranteed next year. What do you think of getting Kennard in return from LAC?

No thanks. Can find Kennards on cheaper deals. What would your Kennard deal look like?

Al & Schroder for Bledsoe & Kennard. If the Clippers don't get John Wall, they can use guys like Al & Schroder.

I know Kennard's below average on defense, but he's at least not undersized, and would be nice to have a 44% 3 point shooter that Tatum can kick out to on the 2nd unit.

Lastly, if they move Big Al, I'd go get Olynyk for Juancho and PP.

Starters - R. Williams, Tatum, Brown, Richardson & Smart
Bench - Olynyk, G. Williams, Romeo, Kennard & Bledsoe

Still got pieces for another deal.

[Larry_Russell]

Bledsoe's deal isn't fully guaranteed next year. What do you think of getting Kennard in return from LAC?

No thanks. Can find Kennards on cheaper deals. What would your Kennard deal look like?

Al & Schroder for Bledsoe & Kennard. If the Clippers don't get John Wall, they can use guys like Al & Schroder.

I know Kennard's below average on defense, but he's at least not undersized, and would be nice to have a 44% 3 point shooter that Tatum can kick out to on the 2nd unit.

Lastly, if they move Big Al, I'd go get Olynyk for Juancho and PP.

Starters - R. Williams, Tatum, Brown, Richardson & Smart
Bench - Olynyk, G. Williams, Romeo, Kennard & Bledsoe

Still got pieces for another deal.

IDK what Detroits plans are here, but Olynyk would be a nice pickup.

use Horford to get a shooter to start.

[GoGreen]

I'd be okay trading the talent eval/scouting department. There have been some serious blunders last couple years. Danny took the brunt of it, but Austin is still hanging around. Maybe Brad leaves to coach college & we can bring in Presti, who'll clean house and build this team up.

[Curmudgeon]

You don't need Presti, you just need Grousbeck, et. al. to allow Brad Stevens to follow Presti's example. I don't think they will. There is too much marketing capital tied up in the two stars. We're most likely stuck with Tatum and Brown while we watch Stevens shuffle the deck chairs around them, like most of the people in this thread are doing.

[keevsnick1]

Boston - Gets "Tall Rondo" who can distribute the ball properly and play All-NBA defense as well as a shooter who can actually shoot and a shot at a Potential Top 10ish pick (in the pick swap).

Philly - Finally gets rid of the Simmons headache and gains a young PG with All-Star potential and a solid all around vet in the process.

Kings - Get the best player in the deal who is one of the best young All-Star wings in the game and are able to pair with Haliburton and Mitchell.

I would rather BArnes and Fox.

Simmons needs the ball, and apparently Tatum is now our playmaker. So just a bad fit. Much much worse than Brown and Tatum as Simmons has no spacing.

Eh. I wouldn't do this deal. There will be better options

Well the upside to a Jaylen/Simons trade would be watching the complete and utter meltdown this board would have watching Simmons in the playoffs. Watching the entire board simultaneously realize how screwed the team is after Simmons goes 4-9 and passes out of every open three while the c's fail to crack 90 points would be something. We literally just saw this happen last season. Tatum might literally request a trade mid game.

I don't want to trade Jaylen, I've been clear on that. But there are guys out there like KAT, Beal, Lillard who I would at least understand the move and since I'm a fan i would still be excited about watching those guys play. It MIGHT even work. Trading your best or second best shooter for a guy who literally can't shoot when you already lack shooters would be an unmitigated disaster. I'm literally begging this board that if you're gonna make fake Jaylen trades at least make one that helps the teams shooting because i cant keep watching 4-40 games, or watch Tatum get swallowed up by two help defenders every drive.

And, not for nothing, but if Phili is swapping Simmons for Brown they are just gonna want Brown, not fox/barnes. They dont need a poor shooting PG.

[Celts17Pride]

Simmons for Brown was never a good idea and never will be. Celtics fans are getting desperate, hopefully Celtics management can be level headed.

[keevsnick1]

If Stevens elects (foolishly in my view) to retain Tatum and Brown, he needs to find a way to keep them off the court, to solidify the team's chances for a lotto pick.

Ime has that covered.

Ya he's already stealth tanking by playing 3-4 non shooters around Jaylen and Tatum.

[Celts17Pride]

Brad Stevens needs to step up and do his version of a "Jrue Holiday" type deal. Having mid and late round draft picks over the next 3-4 years is not going to take the Celtics anywhere.

[BK_2020]

I don't think our draft pick is going to be mid and late round. Tankathon has us at #11 with 9.4% chance at a top 4 pick!

[CelticFaninLBC]

Brad Stevens needs to step up and do his version of a "Jrue Holiday" type deal. Having mid and late round draft picks over the next 3-4 years is not going to take the Celtics anywhere.

Too bad Danny Ainge didn't trade for Jrue Holiday when he had the chance.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Charlotte and Atlanta are teams near the bottom in defense that could use someone like Smart. Charlotte has PJ Washington, Kai Jones & James Bouknight & ATL has Reddish and Jalen Johnson.

Wouldn't mind seeing a bigger deal with either team with Smart, Richardson, etc. getting dealt for young guys and shooting.

[ShermansShoes]

Simmons for Brown was never a good idea and never will be. Celtics fans are getting desperate, hopefully Celtics management can be level headed.

I disagree. If you bring in Simmons, and move Brown and Smart (not advocating that in the same trade), you still have good to great defense, with better ball movement. Obviously less scoring. Not sure how you'd fix that part though.

[GoGreen]

A LOT needs to go right here, but if Beal is still a trade option and won't re sign, you go all in for him hoping he demands out to Boston. Use Jaylen and maybe whats left of your picks to the Pacers for Sabonis & Levert. Smart/Horf/Richardson/JB would be out in those deals, leaving Beal at point.

Beal/Levert/Tatum/Sabonis/Rob

I'd consider trading a lot of our other guys, too. Grant, Nesmith, Pritchard, Romeo, maybe Rob. Just get what you can from these Ainge guys and start anew. New faces that will hopefully bring some toughness and pride.

[BK_2020]

It's worth noting that Marcus Smart's defense is pretty mediocre if you go by metrics and eye test rather than reputation. Since we can expect front offices to have access to metrics and eyes, I don't think teams are clamoring to trade for Smart thinking he will fix their defense.