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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#141 » by Zeno » Fri Jan 7, 2022 3:05 am

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Zeno wrote:Since you guys seem to like marginal Raptors rotation players a whole lot...

Boucher, Yuta and Malachi Flynn for Coby White and Marko Simonovic.

Both Boucher and Yuta don't fit our timeline in their late 20s as expirings. Yuta is a quality defender with size, Boucher can be really impactful with the right matchup. Flynn has some potential but doesn't fit the Raps play style.


No way in h-e-double hockey sticks (seemed especially appropriate once I remembered you are a Raps fan :) :oops: ). Boucher is solid, but has become severely overrated around here. Coby while flawed became severely underrated due to an understandable horrid streak coming back from injury plus a myriad of other factors that a strangely huge number of smart people here just decided to ignore.

Bulls fans have forgotten playoff basketball. They think Demar and Zach are going to just waltz around and do their thing as they are so far this season. I think they're both going to be really good, but it gets a lot harder as you probably know. Coby's ability to create his own shots, and shots for others at times will be invaluable once we hit playoff intensity, and teams start game-planning for DD/Zach.

I'm certainly open to trading the guy, but not for anyone that can't generate offense. Boucher while valuable, is not that guy from what I've seen.

Hey I get it, but I wasn’t intending to come in here to propose some rip off trade. Thought it made sense given your team needs. The main player in the trade for you guys was actually Yuta who is quite a solid defender at the 3/4. Can protect the rim(and get dunked on epically too) also a decent three point shooter and ball mover. Really he is an under the radar guy that I think will be in high demand at the deadline from a contender. Boucher as I said is a very situational player. Kind of guy who can turn a game around or you might have to bench.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#142 » by sco » Fri Jan 7, 2022 3:17 am

Zeno wrote:
Wingy wrote:
Zeno wrote:Since you guys seem to like marginal Raptors rotation players a whole lot...

Boucher, Yuta and Malachi Flynn for Coby White and Marko Simonovic.

Both Boucher and Yuta don't fit our timeline in their late 20s as expirings. Yuta is a quality defender with size, Boucher can be really impactful with the right matchup. Flynn has some potential but doesn't fit the Raps play style.


No way in h-e-double hockey sticks (seemed especially appropriate once I remembered you are a Raps fan :) :oops: ). Boucher is solid, but has become severely overrated around here. Coby while flawed became severely underrated due to an understandable horrid streak coming back from injury plus a myriad of other factors that a strangely huge number of smart people here just decided to ignore.

Bulls fans have forgotten playoff basketball. They think Demar and Zach are going to just waltz around and do their thing as they are so far this season. I think they're both going to be really good, but it gets a lot harder as you probably know. Coby's ability to create his own shots, and shots for others at times will be invaluable once we hit playoff intensity, and teams start game-planning for DD/Zach.

I'm certainly open to trading the guy, but not for anyone that can't generate offense. Boucher while valuable, is not that guy from what I've seen.

Hey I get it, but I wasn’t intending to come in here to propose some rip off trade. Thought it made sense given your team needs. The main player in the trade for you guys was actually Yuta who is quite a solid defender at the 3/4. Can protect the rim(and get dunked on epically too) also a decent three point shooter and ball mover. Really he is an under the radar guy that I think will be in high demand at the deadline from a contender. Boucher as I said is a very situational player. Kind of guy who can turn a game around or you might have to bench.

Like I said, Coby is polarizing here. He has had a decent month of solid play, and if one extrapolates that, he's awesome, others of us are in the "one good month does not a great player make" camp. Like I said before, seems fair. Keep the ideas coming!
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#143 » by Wingy » Fri Jan 7, 2022 4:03 am

Zeno wrote:Hey I get it, but I wasn’t intending to come in here to propose some rip off trade. Thought it made sense given your team needs. The main player in the trade for you guys was actually Yuta who is quite a solid defender at the 3/4. Can protect the rim(and get dunked on epically too) also a decent three point shooter and ball mover. Really he is an under the radar guy that I think will be in high demand at the deadline from a contender. Boucher as I said is a very situational player. Kind of guy who can turn a game around or you might have to bench.


I'm not offended or anything, it's not ridiculously insulting or anything like that. While imperfect, I'm one that values what Coby brings for the reasons I stated. I'll fall out of my chair pleasantly surprised if he magically maintains what we've been seeing lately, as I do expect continued inconsistency. But he has the ability to be a big-time game changer when he's engaged, and I'm only trading him if I can get similar in return.

In short sample size, I do actually like Yuta. I just don't see a trade that makes sense for both teams. Seems like it would be trading one of our good role players for one of yours...almost a move to make a moves sake...so why not just keep guys who already have familiarity, and are known to be fine in their current locker rooms.

As sco mentioned, always enjoy banter w/non-Bulls fans if they're respectful, show basic human decency, etc.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#144 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Jan 7, 2022 5:13 am

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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#145 » by gobullschi » Fri Jan 7, 2022 5:22 am

A guy to keep your eye on is T.J. Warren. He’s expected to return soon from a foot injury, but if healthy, he’d be a great fit at power forward. He shows up in the playoffs (dropped 53).

Chicago Receives:
T.J. Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson

Indiana Receives:
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.

It would be tough to move Patrick Williams, but Isaiah Jackson is a guy I loved coming out. 6’10” 7’5” Wingspan with the quickness to stay in front of point guards. Hustles his @ss off. Has upside.

Torrey Craig is a menace on defense and would be nice insurance if Warren has any setbacks.
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Post#146 » by Red8911 » Fri Jan 7, 2022 5:31 am

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When the trade deadline comes and if the bulls are still the first seed then they should consider keeping the roster the way it is. Reward the players. Only position where they could use help is a back up big C or PF, that’s about it.
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Post#147 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Fri Jan 7, 2022 5:58 am

gobullschi wrote:A guy to keep your eye on is T.J. Warren. He’s expected to return soon from a foot injury, but if healthy, he’d be a great fit at power forward. He shows up in the playoffs (dropped 53).

Chicago Receives:
T.J. Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson

Indiana Receives:
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.

It would be tough to move Patrick Williams, but Isaiah Jackson is a guy I loved coming out. 6’10” 7’5” Wingspan with the quickness to stay in front of point guards. Hustles his @ss off. Has upside.

Torrey Craig is a menace on defense and would be nice insurance if Warren has any setbacks.


Hard pass. If we turn our best asset into TJ Warren I would riot. Patrick only moves for a real needle mover. If Patrick is getting traded it should be in a blockbuster or close to blockbuster trade.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#148 » by gobullschi » Fri Jan 7, 2022 6:15 am

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
gobullschi wrote:A guy to keep your eye on is T.J. Warren. He’s expected to return soon from a foot injury, but if healthy, he’d be a great fit at power forward. He shows up in the playoffs (dropped 53).

Chicago Receives:
T.J. Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson

Indiana Receives:
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.

It would be tough to move Patrick Williams, but Isaiah Jackson is a guy I loved coming out. 6’10” 7’5” Wingspan with the quickness to stay in front of point guards. Hustles his @ss off. Has upside.

Torrey Craig is a menace on defense and would be nice insurance if Warren has any setbacks.


Hard pass. If we turn our best asset into TJ Warren I would riot. Patrick only moves for a real needle mover. If Patrick is getting traded it should be in a blockbuster or close to blockbuster trade.


What do you not like about TJ Warren? He has nearly averaged 20PPG for multiple seasons and would be a massive upgrade. Patrick Williams hasn’t shown enough to be treated like an untradeable asset.
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Post#149 » by logical_art » Fri Jan 7, 2022 7:04 am

gobullschi wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
gobullschi wrote:A guy to keep your eye on is T.J. Warren. He’s expected to return soon from a foot injury, but if healthy, he’d be a great fit at power forward. He shows up in the playoffs (dropped 53).

Chicago Receives:
T.J. Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson

Indiana Receives:
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.

It would be tough to move Patrick Williams, but Isaiah Jackson is a guy I loved coming out. 6’10” 7’5” Wingspan with the quickness to stay in front of point guards. Hustles his @ss off. Has upside.

Torrey Craig is a menace on defense and would be nice insurance if Warren has any setbacks.


Hard pass. If we turn our best asset into TJ Warren I would riot. Patrick only moves for a real needle mover. If Patrick is getting traded it should be in a blockbuster or close to blockbuster trade.


What do you not like about TJ Warren? He has nearly averaged 20PPG for multiple seasons and would be a massive upgrade. Patrick Williams hasn’t shown enough to be treated like an untradeable asset.


I don't think that's how to think about a trade. There's an opportunity cost to trading - that is, you can't trade that asset again. I don't think TJ Warren is the best the Bulls can get with their best trade asset.
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Post#150 » by gf2020hotmail » Fri Jan 7, 2022 7:31 am

gobullschi wrote:What do you not like about TJ Warren? He has nearly averaged 20PPG for multiple seasons and would be a massive upgrade. Patrick Williams hasn’t shown enough to be treated like an untradeable asset.

Oof. Williams hasn't shown he is off-limits but trading our one competent Durant defender in DJJ on top of our one viable young player with upside for a guy who hasn't played in a year and can't defend giannis and/or durant AND AND is going to require resigning at a number that screws with our salary structure is a terrible deal.
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Post#151 » by RSP83 » Fri Jan 7, 2022 7:47 am

gf2020hotmail wrote:
gobullschi wrote:What do you not like about TJ Warren? He has nearly averaged 20PPG for multiple seasons and would be a massive upgrade. Patrick Williams hasn’t shown enough to be treated like an untradeable asset.

Oof. Williams hasn't shown he is off-limits but trading our one competent Durant defender in DJJ on top of our one viable young player with upside for a guy who hasn't played in a year and can't defend giannis and/or durant AND AND is going to require resigning at a number that screws with our salary structure is a terrible deal.


We're already slipping defensively the last 8 games (from top 10 defense to 18th overall during this winning streak). Offensively we're number 1 during this streak. So what added value does TJ Warren add? DJJ's defense is more valuable than Warren's high volume scoring at this point, and with so many scorers on our team not sure Warren will even get a chance to put up a lot of points to have a significant impact on our team.

If there will be a trade, I think it's to upgrade our defense. Defense slippage is the common theme we hear from BD in the recent post-game conference, and from AK in the score 670 interview.
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Post#152 » by StunnerKO » Fri Jan 7, 2022 1:28 pm

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Post#153 » by StunnerKO » Fri Jan 7, 2022 1:33 pm

gobullschi wrote:A guy to keep your eye on is T.J. Warren. He’s expected to return soon from a foot injury, but if healthy, he’d be a great fit at power forward. He shows up in the playoffs (dropped 53).

Chicago Receives:
T.J. Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson

Indiana Receives:
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.

It would be tough to move Patrick Williams, but Isaiah Jackson is a guy I loved coming out. 6’10” 7’5” Wingspan with the quickness to stay in front of point guards. Hustles his @ss off. Has upside.

Torrey Craig is a menace on defense and would be nice insurance if Warren has any setbacks.
this the trade I came up with I’m not moving Pat it’s Coby honestly the player I’m sending with the blazers pick . TJ is a a rental since he’s an expiring I wouldn’t give up all too much but getting him and Craig for a playoff push would be great for us . The players talked about he’s the best scorer out of Barnes and Grant . Coby / TBJ / Blazers pick for Tj and Craig could get it done with Coby recent play and if he keeps it up. TJ would replace Coby’s scoring and provides are more consistent scorer especially helps Lavine and derozan not having to play with the bench more and grab an extra 3-4 mins or rest in games . Craig is a really good defender , AK helped get him with his time in Denver and from what we saw he gave derozan some problems before the game winner . Bulls defense slipped because they were missing two of their best point of the attack defenders in Lonzo and Caruso mostly . This would be a good turn out I think at the deadline because at least if you like TJ you could bring him back
If not he’s an expiring and then you keep Pat possibly .
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#154 » by gobullschi » Fri Jan 7, 2022 1:58 pm

RSP83 wrote:
gf2020hotmail wrote:
gobullschi wrote:What do you not like about TJ Warren? He has nearly averaged 20PPG for multiple seasons and would be a massive upgrade. Patrick Williams hasn’t shown enough to be treated like an untradeable asset.

Oof. Williams hasn't shown he is off-limits but trading our one competent Durant defender in DJJ on top of our one viable young player with upside for a guy who hasn't played in a year and can't defend giannis and/or durant AND AND is going to require resigning at a number that screws with our salary structure is a terrible deal.


We're already slipping defensively the last 8 games (from top 10 defense to 18th overall during this winning streak). Offensively we're number 1 during this streak. So what added value does TJ Warren add? DJJ's defense is more valuable than Warren's high volume scoring at this point, and with so many scorers on our team not sure Warren will even get a chance to put up a lot of points to have a significant impact on our team.

If there will be a trade, I think it's to upgrade our defense. Defense slippage is the common theme we hear from BD in the recent post-game conference, and from AK in the score 670 interview.


Our defense was slipping because Lonzo and Caruso were out. You aren’t ‘losing’ defense with this trade. Torrey Craig is an elite defender and Jackson has the tools to be an elite defender too (similar mold to Jonathan Issac). I understand the hesitancy to move Patrick Williams, but Jackson has a ton of potential too and is under contract for an additional year. He also gives the Bulls the rim protection they need.

Warren gives the Bulls yet another dangerous scorer, making the Bulls damn near impossible to defend (if he stays healthy). Also, because of his injury, the Bulls can resign him at a discounted price.

I’d want to see Warren play this season before making a move like this though.
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NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#155 » by StunnerKO » Fri Jan 7, 2022 2:05 pm

Just for those wondering who Jackson is


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I do see the appeal but I like Pat more and I think AK does too and can’t see him trading him for a potential rental in Warren . Coby on the other hand possibly yes because you can find more players like him than young two way potential players like Pat it’s just logic.
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Post#156 » by sco » Fri Jan 7, 2022 4:24 pm

It will be telling if Thomas' contract becomes fully guaranteed this weekend.
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Post#157 » by dabig3 » Fri Jan 7, 2022 4:49 pm

I'm not sure if Bradley can even be easily traded with his player option contract, but I thought this was interesting:

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Tony Bradley probably has more negative words said about him here than positive, but it seems he has some good value that other teams notice.

You have to wonder if there are some packages on the table that AKME might consider. It will be tough though because Bradley loves playing here, loves the city, knows the system, and is a good cheap backup to have. And I'm not sure if Tyler Cook is ready to eat up those reserve minutes in the playoffs when size is required.
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Post#158 » by gobullschi » Fri Jan 7, 2022 5:43 pm

StunnerKO wrote:
gobullschi wrote:A guy to keep your eye on is T.J. Warren. He’s expected to return soon from a foot injury, but if healthy, he’d be a great fit at power forward. He shows up in the playoffs (dropped 53).

Chicago Receives:
T.J. Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson

Indiana Receives:
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.

It would be tough to move Patrick Williams, but Isaiah Jackson is a guy I loved coming out. 6’10” 7’5” Wingspan with the quickness to stay in front of point guards. Hustles his @ss off. Has upside.

Torrey Craig is a menace on defense and would be nice insurance if Warren has any setbacks.
this the trade I came up with I’m not moving Pat it’s Coby honestly the player I’m sending with the blazers pick . TJ is a a rental since he’s an expiring I wouldn’t give up all too much but getting him and Craig for a playoff push would be great for us . The players talked about he’s the best scorer out of Barnes and Grant . Coby / TBJ / Blazers pick for Tj and Craig could get it done with Coby recent play and if he keeps it up. TJ would replace Coby’s scoring and provides are more consistent scorer especially helps Lavine and derozan not having to play with the bench more and grab an extra 3-4 mins or rest in games . Craig is a really good defender , AK helped get him with his time in Denver and from what we saw he gave derozan some problems before the game winner . Bulls defense slipped because they were missing two of their best point of the attack defenders in Lonzo and Caruso mostly . This would be a good turn out I think at the deadline because at least if you like TJ you could bring him back
If not he’s an expiring and then you keep Pat possibly .


Chicago:
TJ Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson
Justin Holiday

Indiana:
Coby White
TBJ
DJJ
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Lonzo Ball / Alex Caruso / Max McClung
Zach LaVine / Justin Holiday / Ayo Dosunmu
DeMar DeRozan / Torrey Craig / Patrick Williams
TJ Warren / JaVonte Green / Isaiah Jackson
Nikola Vucevic / Tony Bradley / Marko Simonovic
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Post#159 » by terry » Fri Jan 7, 2022 6:14 pm

gobullschi wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:
gobullschi wrote:A guy to keep your eye on is T.J. Warren. He’s expected to return soon from a foot injury, but if healthy, he’d be a great fit at power forward. He shows up in the playoffs (dropped 53).

Chicago Receives:
T.J. Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson

Indiana Receives:
Patrick Williams
Derrick Jones Jr.

It would be tough to move Patrick Williams, but Isaiah Jackson is a guy I loved coming out. 6’10” 7’5” Wingspan with the quickness to stay in front of point guards. Hustles his @ss off. Has upside.

Torrey Craig is a menace on defense and would be nice insurance if Warren has any setbacks.
this the trade I came up with I’m not moving Pat it’s Coby honestly the player I’m sending with the blazers pick . TJ is a a rental since he’s an expiring I wouldn’t give up all too much but getting him and Craig for a playoff push would be great for us . The players talked about he’s the best scorer out of Barnes and Grant . Coby / TBJ / Blazers pick for Tj and Craig could get it done with Coby recent play and if he keeps it up. TJ would replace Coby’s scoring and provides are more consistent scorer especially helps Lavine and derozan not having to play with the bench more and grab an extra 3-4 mins or rest in games . Craig is a really good defender , AK helped get him with his time in Denver and from what we saw he gave derozan some problems before the game winner . Bulls defense slipped because they were missing two of their best point of the attack defenders in Lonzo and Caruso mostly . This would be a good turn out I think at the deadline because at least if you like TJ you could bring him back
If not he’s an expiring and then you keep Pat possibly .


Chicago:
TJ Warren
Torrey Craig
Isaiah Jackson
Justin Holiday

Indiana:
Coby White
TBJ
DJJ
2022 1st (POR)

Lonzo Ball / Alex Caruso / Max McClung
Zach LaVine / Justin Holiday / Ayo Dosunmu
DeMar DeRozan / Torrey Craig / Patrick Williams
TJ Warren / JaVonte Green / Isaiah Jackson
Nikola Vucevic / Tony Bradley / Marko Simonovic


Tj Warren just isnt doing it for me. He’s always injured.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#160 » by PistolP » Fri Jan 7, 2022 7:07 pm

TJ Warren is interesting if he came cheap but he’s coming off serious injuries and will have a lot of rust. Not sure if he can help this year.

If AKME want to maintain chemistry and not make big trades at the deadline, I think Craig could be an interesting small move that shouldn’t cost much. He’s a bulldog on D and could be another body to throw at KD/Giannis

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