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CelticFaninLBC wrote:Charlotte and Atlanta are teams near the bottom in defense that could use someone like Smart. Charlotte has PJ Washington, Kai Jones & James Bouknight & ATL has Reddish and Jalen Johnson.
Wouldn't mind seeing a bigger deal with either team with Smart, Richardson, etc. getting dealt for young guys and shooting.
BK_2020 wrote:It's worth noting that Marcus Smart's defense is pretty mediocre if you go by metrics and eye test rather than reputation. Since we can expect front offices to have access to metrics and eyes, I don't think teams are clamoring to trade for Smart thinking he will fix their defense.
Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need Presti, you just need Grousbeck, et. al. to allow Brad Stevens to follow Presti's example. I don't think they will. There is too much marketing capital tied up in the two stars. We're most likely stuck with Tatum and Brown while we watch Stevens shuffle the deck chairs around them, like most of the people in this thread are doing.
ddb wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need Presti, you just need Grousbeck, et. al. to allow Brad Stevens to follow Presti's example. I don't think they will. There is too much marketing capital tied up in the two stars. We're most likely stuck with Tatum and Brown while we watch Stevens shuffle the deck chairs around them, like most of the people in this thread are doing.
I am one of the biggest Presti defenders because I think he's a great guy and a terrific basketball mind....with that said, he's also a little overrated...what has he done that is so amazing beyond his early draft picks? He drafted Durant (obvious selection at #2...wonder if he takes him at #1?), Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden. All slam dunks. He looked like a genius when they were in the finals at such a young age.....the Harden trade was inexcusable though....he made the trade too early (should have waited until in-season), and many of us even back then thought he was crazy for trading Harden before he peaked VS trading Westbrook. So that was a colossal mishandling of what was a great situation he created......Since then no names really stand out. he's drafted some good players and Giddey looks legit, but his overall draft history after his initial success is rather pedestrian.
I would love to see Presti in a big market situation with an ownership group that has his back. I thought Boston would have been it as I think Presti/Stevens would be a magical Executive/Coach combination.....I guess it's still possible? If Ime keeps struggling, have Stevens get back to the bench and hire Presti? Who knows......
Larry_Russell wrote:ddb wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need Presti, you just need Grousbeck, et. al. to allow Brad Stevens to follow Presti's example. I don't think they will. There is too much marketing capital tied up in the two stars. We're most likely stuck with Tatum and Brown while we watch Stevens shuffle the deck chairs around them, like most of the people in this thread are doing.
I am one of the biggest Presti defenders because I think he's a great guy and a terrific basketball mind....with that said, he's also a little overrated...what has he done that is so amazing beyond his early draft picks? He drafted Durant (obvious selection at #2...wonder if he takes him at #1?), Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden. All slam dunks. He looked like a genius when they were in the finals at such a young age.....the Harden trade was inexcusable though....he made the trade too early (should have waited until in-season), and many of us even back then thought he was crazy for trading Harden before he peaked VS trading Westbrook. So that was a colossal mishandling of what was a great situation he created......Since then no names really stand out. he's drafted some good players and Giddey looks legit, but his overall draft history after his initial success is rather pedestrian.
I would love to see Presti in a big market situation with an ownership group that has his back. I thought Boston would have been it as I think Presti/Stevens would be a magical Executive/Coach combination.....I guess it's still possible? If Ime keeps struggling, have Stevens get back to the bench and hire Presti? Who knows......
I would have been happy with Presti as the GM. I dont hold much faith in Brad at running things, especially with Austin in his ear on stuff.
I actually am not sure who I have less faith in, Brad or Ime.
CelticFaninLBC wrote:BK_2020 wrote:It's worth noting that Marcus Smart's defense is pretty mediocre if you go by metrics and eye test rather than reputation. Since we can expect front offices to have access to metrics and eyes, I don't think teams are clamoring to trade for Smart thinking he will fix their defense.
What metrics are you looking at? He's top 25 in defensive win shares...
Larry_Russell wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Any interest in Westbrook for Horford+JRich+Juancho?
Take Jrich out and change it to Schroder then I would consider it, just to potentially punt the season.
I am confident that in the offseason Westbrooks value will be higher than it is now. And that is if he actually opts in to his contract.
40+ million player option on next season. He could easily nab a multi year 20 million per season contract somewhere in the offseason, confident in that should he opt out.
Detroit and Knicks are destinations in a trade.
I would strongly consider this.
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Charlotte and Atlanta are teams near the bottom in defense that could use someone like Smart. Charlotte has PJ Washington, Kai Jones & James Bouknight & ATL has Reddish and Jalen Johnson.
Wouldn't mind seeing a bigger deal with either team with Smart, Richardson, etc. getting dealt for young guys and shooting.
Larry_Russell wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:It’s not Westbrook
What would Stevens realistically want in addition to Cam Payne for Marcus Smart? Think he fits in well on a playoff team-in case you guys don't make it. Plus he killed us that last game we played you. Just curious.
Payne, Smith and Cam Johnson
Larry_Russell wrote:ddb wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:You don't need Presti, you just need Grousbeck, et. al. to allow Brad Stevens to follow Presti's example. I don't think they will. There is too much marketing capital tied up in the two stars. We're most likely stuck with Tatum and Brown while we watch Stevens shuffle the deck chairs around them, like most of the people in this thread are doing.
I am one of the biggest Presti defenders because I think he's a great guy and a terrific basketball mind....with that said, he's also a little overrated...what has he done that is so amazing beyond his early draft picks? He drafted Durant (obvious selection at #2...wonder if he takes him at #1?), Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden. All slam dunks. He looked like a genius when they were in the finals at such a young age.....the Harden trade was inexcusable though....he made the trade too early (should have waited until in-season), and many of us even back then thought he was crazy for trading Harden before he peaked VS trading Westbrook. So that was a colossal mishandling of what was a great situation he created......Since then no names really stand out. he's drafted some good players and Giddey looks legit, but his overall draft history after his initial success is rather pedestrian.
I would love to see Presti in a big market situation with an ownership group that has his back. I thought Boston would have been it as I think Presti/Stevens would be a magical Executive/Coach combination.....I guess it's still possible? If Ime keeps struggling, have Stevens get back to the bench and hire Presti? Who knows......
I would have been happy with Presti as the GM. I dont hold much faith in Brad at running things, especially with Austin in his ear on stuff.
I actually am not sure who I have less faith in, Brad or Ime.
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Charlotte and Atlanta are teams near the bottom in defense that could use someone like Smart. Charlotte has PJ Washington, Kai Jones & James Bouknight & ATL has Reddish and Jalen Johnson.
Wouldn't mind seeing a bigger deal with either team with Smart, Richardson, etc. getting dealt for young guys and shooting.
ddb wrote:I am one of the biggest Presti defenders because I think he's a great guy and a terrific basketball mind....with that said, he's also a little overrated...what has he done that is so amazing beyond his early draft picks?
zimpy27 wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Any interest in Westbrook for Horford+JRich+Juancho?
Take Jrich out and change it to Schroder then I would consider it, just to potentially punt the season.
I am confident that in the offseason Westbrooks value will be higher than it is now. And that is if he actually opts in to his contract.
40+ million player option on next season. He could easily nab a multi year 20 million per season contract somewhere in the offseason, confident in that should he opt out.
Detroit and Knicks are destinations in a trade.
I would strongly consider this.
I genuinely think he'd help the Celtics since he could run their offense. He has led top offenses in the league for many years.
And yeah, if it doesn't work then moving him will be easier as an expiring.