Should Fred Van Vleet be an all-star?

[everdiso]

Many non-raptors fans may not be following, but yes this recent tear puts him above many of the gaurd competitors in the East. The first 4 are Derozan, Lavine, Harden, Trae. After that it's gotta be Freddy at this point.

He's an all star.

Ofc Raps gotta keep winning, but I think we got this.

To be honest only Derozen is having better season than Fred among East guards.

Derozan is not having a better season.

[homecourtloss]

HELL NO! This is a cute story, but the All Star game is for actual stars who lead their teams to wins.

FVV does do that but his teammates have been mostly unavailable and/or bad.

With FVV on court the Raptors are +6.2 points per 100 possessions. Teams that are +6.2 per 100 possessions are usually 55+ win teams. With FVV off court, the Raps are -11.5 points per 100 possessions.

For comparisons sake, the Nets are +5.0 points per 100 possessions with KD on court, and -1.3 per 100 possessions with him off court.

[Big J]

HELL NO! This is a cute story, but the All Star game is for actual stars who lead their teams to wins.

FVV does do that but his teammates have been mostly unavailable and/or bad.

With FVV on court the Raptors are +6.2 points per 100 possessions. Teams that are +6.2 per 100 possessions are usually 55+ win teams. With FVV off court, the Raps are -11.5 points per 100 possessions.

For comparisons sake, the Nets are +5.0 points per 100 possessions with KD on court, and -1.3 per 100 possessions with him off court.

The all star game isn't played on some nerds excel file. It's called All "Star" for a reason, and Fred ain't one.

[Duffman100]

HELL NO! This is a cute story, but the All Star game is for actual stars who lead their teams to wins.

FVV does do that but his teammates have been mostly unavailable and/or bad.

With FVV on court the Raptors are +6.2 points per 100 possessions. Teams that are +6.2 per 100 possessions are usually 55+ win teams. With FVV off court, the Raps are -11.5 points per 100 possessions.

For comparisons sake, the Nets are +5.0 points per 100 possessions with KD on court, and -1.3 per 100 possessions with him off court.

The all star game isn't played on some nerds excel file. It's called all Star for a reason, and Fred ain't one.

LOL, you've been trolling well the entire thread. It's actually impressive.

[VanWest82]

Fred won this game in four mins in the 3rd quarter. Yeah Jazz were missing their best guys but Raps were playing their 4th in 6 nights, dog tired, no energy, and Fred just decided he wasn't going to let them lose and that was that.

He definitely should be an all star. He probably should make all nba if he keeps this up. What a performance!

[DroseReturnChi]

fred isnt an all star. talents way too inferior compared to lavine.

[CoachD]

I'm sorry but at this point if you think Fred isn't an all star you're either being intentionally ignorant, or you just don't follow what's happening in the league and you just lean on the "big name" guys who haven't earned it.

Justin Termine tweeted tonight that VanVleet deserves it more than anyone on the Knicks, Celtics or Wizards..... and he's right.

[basketballRob]

fred isnt an all star. talents way too inferior compared to lavine.

They don't even play the same position. Lavine is a wing.

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[Duffman100]

I'm sorry but at this point if you think Fred isn't an all star you're either being intentionally ignorant, or you just don't follow what's happening in the league and you just lean on the "big name" guys who haven't earned it.

Justin Termine tweeted tonight that VanVleet deserves it more than anyone on the Knicks, Celtics or Wizards..... and he's right.

Both BigJ and DroseReturnChi are very clear trolls.

[DroseReturnChi]

i mean fvv would be an all star in unimpressive years but yeah my bar is lavine to make all star. if your not playing better than iq bonehead, your probably doomed. playing for a low end playoff team doesnt help with inexperienced team with scottie.
all star you also need to be popular and fvv is probably the least likeable.

[CoachD]

i mean fvv would be an all star in unimpressive years but yeah my bar is lavine to make all star. if your not playing better than iq bonehead, your probably doomed. playing for a low end playoff team doesnt help with inexperienced team with scottie.
all star you also need to be popular and fvv is probably the least likeable.

I mean.... ya. Why wouldn't i go who ranks 235th in DEFENSIVE RAPTOR be the bar everyone should strive for?

Casual fans see scoring and ignore the fact that being a player that dominates on BOTH ends is where the bar should be

[CoachD]

HELL NO! This is a cute story, but the All Star game is for actual stars who lead their teams to wins.

FVV does do that but his teammates have been mostly unavailable and/or bad.

With FVV on court the Raptors are +6.2 points per 100 possessions. Teams that are +6.2 per 100 possessions are usually 55+ win teams. With FVV off court, the Raps are -11.5 points per 100 possessions.

For comparisons sake, the Nets are +5.0 points per 100 possessions with KD on court, and -1.3 per 100 possessions with him off court.

The all star game isn't played on some nerds excel file. It's called All "Star" for a reason, and Fred ain't one.

Tell me you don't understand advanced statistics without telling me you don't understand advanced statistics

[SHO'NUFF]

That man’s a baller!!

[realball]

i mean fvv would be an all star in unimpressive years but yeah my bar is lavine to make all star. if your not playing better than iq bonehead, your probably doomed. playing for a low end playoff team doesnt help with inexperienced team with scottie.
all star you also need to be popular and fvv is probably the least likeable.

Dude, after seeing Lavine make an All-Star game with a lottery team, you're going to talk about "low end playoff" teams? GTFO here with this nonsense.

Fred and Lavine are both going to make the team, along with Derozan, Harden, Trae, and Lamelo. Lowry, Jrue, and Beal won't make the cut this season.

[Duffman100]

i mean fvv would be an all star in unimpressive years but yeah my bar is lavine to make all star. if your not playing better than iq bonehead, your probably doomed. playing for a low end playoff team doesnt help with inexperienced team with scottie.
all star you also need to be popular and fvv is probably the least likeable.

Dude, after seeing Lavine make an All-Star game with a lottery team, you're going to talk about "low end playoff" teams? GTFO here with this nonsense.

Fred and Lavine are both going to make the team, along with Derozan, Harden, Trae, and Lamelo. Lowry, Jrue, and Beal won't make the cut this season.

He's insulting both franchises at once with the post. It's a shot at Lavine and FVV at the same time. He's not a bulls fan.

[Big J]

FVV does do that but his teammates have been mostly unavailable and/or bad.

With FVV on court the Raptors are +6.2 points per 100 possessions. Teams that are +6.2 per 100 possessions are usually 55+ win teams. With FVV off court, the Raps are -11.5 points per 100 possessions.

For comparisons sake, the Nets are +5.0 points per 100 possessions with KD on court, and -1.3 per 100 possessions with him off court.

The all star game isn't played on some nerds excel file. It's called All "Star" for a reason, and Fred ain't one.

Tell me you don't understand advanced statistics without telling me you don't understand advanced statistics

So… advanced stats say he’s better than KD. You’re right I don’t understand them, I’ll go with the old fashioned eye test.

[everdiso]

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[AussieCeltic]

i mean fvv would be an all star in unimpressive years but yeah my bar is lavine to make all star. if your not playing better than iq bonehead, your probably doomed. playing for a low end playoff team doesnt help with inexperienced team with scottie.
all star you also need to be popular and fvv is probably the least likeable.

I mean.... ya. Why wouldn't i go who ranks 235th in DEFENSIVE RAPTOR be the bar everyone should strive for?

Casual fans see scoring and ignore the fact that being a player that dominates on BOTH ends is where the bar should be

But in the other thread you guys are saying Gary Trent is a great defender even though he ranks 211 on defensive RAPTOR. Which is it with you guys?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

FVV does do that but his teammates have been mostly unavailable and/or bad.

With FVV on court the Raptors are +6.2 points per 100 possessions. Teams that are +6.2 per 100 possessions are usually 55+ win teams. With FVV off court, the Raps are -11.5 points per 100 possessions.

For comparisons sake, the Nets are +5.0 points per 100 possessions with KD on court, and -1.3 per 100 possessions with him off court.

The all star game isn't played on some nerds excel file. It's called All "Star" for a reason, and Fred ain't one.

Tell me you don't understand advanced statistics without telling me you don't understand advanced statistics

I think that stat is inflated as well due to the bad non-NBA bench

[alevirfe]

I really don't understand how people on a basketball forum wouldn't get behind a guy with such a great story. I get it for casuals, but on this forum I expect everyone to know his story as an undrafted player getting better every year. everyone should be rooting for this guy

beyond the story, the stats are there. his advanced stats are INSANE and even his counting stats are all-star level. Raps just need to keep winning (which they should start to with their team finally healthy) and he'll have an easy case to make it

the reality is the coaches vote & Fred is a high IQ guy who plays both ends. coaches know what's up