Blow It Up

[CoachD]

What's that asking price for Smart?

[exculpatory]

Everyone out except JT - including JB & Marcus.
Get Beal.
Get a quality big.
Get shooters.

[zoyathedestroya]

I'd keep JT and the Williams twins. Even my binkies Smart and Horfie can go. Find better fits to surround Tatum.

[tlee324]

I'd really like to see how this team can perform when healthy with a true facilitator at point guard. We haven't seen that at all and it could really open things up.

I've been on team blow it up too, but it would be intriguing to see if they could add that piece. Smart is not a good starting PG.

The only real good passer/facilitator on this team over the past several years was Hayward, who was barely on the floor. There's nobody like him on the team at all now.

I'd even settle for a PG that could get in the paint consistently to possibly open up shooters, but that was something Kyrie and IT could do. Again, nobody on this roster has that skill set to do it consistently.

It leaves our best scorers to be Kobe/Pierce level shot-creators on their own, or facilitators themselves, and both fall short in both areas consistently as well.

Leaves us watching and rooting for a very subpar team overall.

[ryan in Maine]

Any lineups you'd like to see as a hail Mary before the blowup?

Pritchard
Richardson
Brown
Tatum
R Williams
Horford

Think Richardson could run point competently? I think he did for stretches in Miami.

Richardson
Nesmith
Brown
Tatum
R Williams
Horford

[Zeroforwinger]

Any lineups you'd like to see as a hail Mary before the blowup?

Pritchard
Richardson
Brown
Tatum
R Williams
Horford

Think Richardson could run point competently? I think he did for stretches in Miami.

Richardson
Nesmith
Brown
Tatum
R Williams
Horford

We might as well try to get 6 guys in the lineup before we blow it up. If we can pull that off, maybe it’s worth keeping the team together.

Outside of that, blow it up. This is a team with no effort and no idea of how to play basketball. Needs a leader at PG and a competent coach.

[MagicBagley18]

Man you all fell for the okie doke.....lol. Y’all got got haha

[zoyathedestroya]

Man you all fell for the okie doke.....lol. Y’all got got haha

It was clear what truth's intent was, but if you don't think at least half the fanbase thinks we should burn this **** down to the ground after every disappointing loss, then you're not paying much attention lol.

[Feed Your Head]

Man you all fell for the okie doke.....lol. Y’all got got haha

It was clear what truth's intent was, but if you don't think at least half the fanbase thinks we should burn this **** down to the ground after every disappointing loss, then you're not paying much attention lol.

You’re right. Keep Tatum and the Williams, the rest can be used to make a better balanced team.

[MagicBagley18]

Man you all fell for the okie doke.....lol. Y’all got got haha

It was clear what truth's intent was, but if you don't think at least half the fanbase thinks we should burn this **** down to the ground after every disappointing loss, then you're not paying much attention lol.

Oh no this fan base never surprises me how dumb they can be

[Fencer reregistered]

I'd be OK with just assuming the Celtics' top passers are in the frontcourt. The team has won multiple championships that way in the past. (Both Bird and Russell were the top assist-getters on championship teams, twice or so each.)

[zoyathedestroya]

I'd be OK with just assuming the Celtics' top passers are in the frontcourt. The team has won multiple championships that way in the past. (Both Bird and Russell were the top assist-getters on championship teams, twice or so each.)

This assumes those bigs' teammates are willing and able to consistently move without the ball. Hasn't been the case for this current team.

[Fencer reregistered]

I'd be OK with just assuming the Celtics' top passers are in the frontcourt. The team has won multiple championships that way in the past. (Both Bird and Russell were the top assist-getters on championship teams, twice or so each.)

This assumes those bigs' teammates are willing and able to consistently move without the ball. Hasn't been the case for this current team.

You're right, but the fix for that feels more like coaching than personnel.

In particular, the young guys often look like very willing movers. So Ime just has to tell them to keep doing it, whether or not they're frustrated with the lack of passes received, and that playing time depends on their continued effort in this regard.

Problem solved, Jay/Jay/Marcus excepted.

Then BRAD should tell Marcus he needs to pass to the open guy, period, if he wants a long career as the starting Celtic point guard.

Then it's just down to the Jays, and one of them already is having stat lines like 9 assists/2 TOs.

[zoyathedestroya]

I'd be OK with just assuming the Celtics' top passers are in the frontcourt. The team has won multiple championships that way in the past. (Both Bird and Russell were the top assist-getters on championship teams, twice or so each.)

This assumes those bigs' teammates are willing and able to consistently move without the ball. Hasn't been the case for this current team.

You're right, but the fix for that feels more like coaching than personnel.

In particular, the young guys often look like very willing movers. So Ime just has to tell them to keep doing it, whether or not they're frustrated with the lack of passes received, and that playing time depends on their continued effort in this regard.

Problem solved, Jay/Jay/Marcus excepted.

Then BRAD should tell Marcus he needs to pass to the open guy, period, if he wants a long career as the starting Celtic point guard.

Then it's just down to the Jays, and one of them already is having stat lines like 9 assists/2 TOs.

Personally, I think Ime needs to start with the Jays. Like you said, the young guys have shown the ability and willingness to do it. Smart is a ball-mover, always has been. Him, Al, and Grant are maybe the 3 guys that swing the ball constantly. It starts and ends with the Jays. They do it, everyone else will follow. They relent, whether in action or in words, whole team reverts back to bad old habits and you can say goodbye to ball movement. It is what it is. Most stars want the ball in their hands (Brown in particular wants it more this season). Curry is just a different creature who can impact the game as much offball as on the ball and makes his teammates better doing either.

[Fencer reregistered]

This assumes those bigs' teammates are willing and able to consistently move without the ball. Hasn't been the case for this current team.

You're right, but the fix for that feels more like coaching than personnel.

In particular, the young guys often look like very willing movers. So Ime just has to tell them to keep doing it, whether or not they're frustrated with the lack of passes received, and that playing time depends on their continued effort in this regard.

Problem solved, Jay/Jay/Marcus excepted.

Then BRAD should tell Marcus he needs to pass to the open guy, period, if he wants a long career as the starting Celtic point guard.

Then it's just down to the Jays, and one of them already is having stat lines like 9 assists/2 TOs.

Personally, I think Ime needs to start with the Jays. Like you said, the young guys have shown the ability and willingness to do it. Smart is a ball-mover, always has been. Him, Al, and Grant are maybe the 3 guys that swing the ball constantly. It starts and ends with the Jays. They do it, everyone else will follow. They relent, whether in action or in words, whole team reverts back to bad old habits and you can say goodbye to ball movement. It is what it is. Most stars want the ball in their hands (Brown in particular wants it more this season). Curry is just a different creature who can impact the game as much offball as on the ball and makes his teammates better doing either.

As per this infamous screenshot from late in the Knicks game, Smart could do better at ball movement.

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[TGW]

Richardson/Ziare Williams/Hield/3 1sts for Beal if Beal becomes available. Or maybe there's a better way to grab him via S/T in the offseason if he demands his way to Boston where Boston gives up less.

On what planet do you think either of those two options are even remotely realistic? I think it's hilarious that the first offer is absolute trash, and yet the Celtics can somehow "give up less" in an even more unrealistic S/T. Delusional.

If Beal goes to Boston (which he isn't), then Brown+ goes out. It's that simple.

[Feed Your Head]

Richardson/Ziare Williams/Hield/3 1sts for Beal if Beal becomes available. Or maybe there's a better way to grab him via S/T in the offseason if he demands his way to Boston where Boston gives up less.

On what planet do you think either of those two options are even remotely realistic? I think it's hilarious that the first offer is absolute trash, and yet the Celtics can somehow "give up less" in an even more unrealistic S/T. Delusional.

If Beal goes to Boston (which he isn't), then Brown+ goes out. It's that simple.

[zoyathedestroya]

You're right, but the fix for that feels more like coaching than personnel.

In particular, the young guys often look like very willing movers. So Ime just has to tell them to keep doing it, whether or not they're frustrated with the lack of passes received, and that playing time depends on their continued effort in this regard.

Problem solved, Jay/Jay/Marcus excepted.

Then BRAD should tell Marcus he needs to pass to the open guy, period, if he wants a long career as the starting Celtic point guard.

Then it's just down to the Jays, and one of them already is having stat lines like 9 assists/2 TOs.

Personally, I think Ime needs to start with the Jays. Like you said, the young guys have shown the ability and willingness to do it. Smart is a ball-mover, always has been. Him, Al, and Grant are maybe the 3 guys that swing the ball constantly. It starts and ends with the Jays. They do it, everyone else will follow. They relent, whether in action or in words, whole team reverts back to bad old habits and you can say goodbye to ball movement. It is what it is. Most stars want the ball in their hands (Brown in particular wants it more this season). Curry is just a different creature who can impact the game as much offball as on the ball and makes his teammates better doing either.

As per this infamous screenshot from late in the Knicks game, Smart could do better at ball movement.

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I don't form opinions on a player based on a single play in a game where everyone was terrible down the stretch.

[Feed Your Head]

Personally, I think Ime needs to start with the Jays. Like you said, the young guys have shown the ability and willingness to do it. Smart is a ball-mover, always has been. Him, Al, and Grant are maybe the 3 guys that swing the ball constantly. It starts and ends with the Jays. They do it, everyone else will follow. They relent, whether in action or in words, whole team reverts back to bad old habits and you can say goodbye to ball movement. It is what it is. Most stars want the ball in their hands (Brown in particular wants it more this season). Curry is just a different creature who can impact the game as much offball as on the ball and makes his teammates better doing either.

As per this infamous screenshot from late in the Knicks game, Smart could do better at ball movement.

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I don't form opinions on a player based on a single play in a game where everyone was terrible down the stretch.

Well everyone besides the one guy whose consistently been terrible down the stretch of games (this year). Why can’t all of our guys ever play well down the stretch of a game?

Pain.

[zoyathedestroya]

As per this infamous screenshot from late in the Knicks game, Smart could do better at ball movement.

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I don't form opinions on a player based on a single play in a game where everyone was terrible down the stretch.

Well everyone besides the one guy whose consistently been terrible down the stretch of games (this year). Why can’t all of our guys ever play well down the stretch of a game?

Pain.

Right. Tatum was awesome in that game all the way through. The one game where I can definitively say his teammates let him down. Not much more he could've done in that game.

Related: Has there been a game this year where both Brown and Tatum played great? (I'm aware Jaylen missed a bunch of games.) I can only recall the Charlotte game really early in the season.