Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[nate33]

Playing with the trade machine, I came out with another iteration of a PHI-SAC-WAS trade by including IND. The bottom line is that we trade Beal, Neto and Gill for Haliburton, Mitchell, Sabonis and SAC 2022 1st. Simmons (+Neto and Gill) goes to SAC, Beal to Philly and Barnes + PHI 2022 1st to IND.

This would need another follow-up trade to get rid of a center (e.g. Harrell to CHA for NOP 2022 1st lottery protected).

Our roster would be like:

Dinwiddie/Mitchell
Haliburton/KCP/Holiday
Deni/Kispert/Bertans
Kuzma/Rui/Todd
Sabonis/Gafford/Bryant

With the addition of SAC 2022 1st and NOP 2022 1st lottery protected (otherwise 2 seconds).

I think is possible this hypothetical roster would be better than our current team…and that is without taking to account the promise of Haliburton + Mitchell plus the additional picks.

Indiana is not trading Sabonis for Harrison Barnes and a late 2022 pick from Philly. Not even remotely realistic.

[nate33]

Beal for Jaylen Brown seems to make more and more sense as the season wears on. Brown is good, but simply has too much tunnel vision to be an effective playmaker. Boston needs someone who can run the offense and get others involved, as well as being the #2 option behind Tatum. Brown for Beal is perfect, particularly since the emergence of Point Beal. Basically, Boston is trading some defense for better playmaking.

Sheppard needs to quietly contact Boston and Philly and let them know he will trade Beal for whomever can put together the best package of Simmons and stuff or Brown and stuff.

It just makes so much more sense for us to have either Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons, than to have Beal at a $45M a year price tag.

Brown will cost $18M a year less than Beal, and is 3 years younger.
Simmons will cost $11M a year less than Beal, and is 3 years younger.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Playing with the trade machine, I came out with another iteration of a PHI-SAC-WAS trade by including IND. The bottom line is that we trade Beal, Neto and Gill for Haliburton, Mitchell, Sabonis and SAC 2022 1st. Simmons (+Neto and Gill) goes to SAC, Beal to Philly and Barnes + PHI 2022 1st to IND.

This would need another follow-up trade to get rid of a center (e.g. Harrell to CHA for NOP 2022 1st lottery protected).

Our roster would be like:

Dinwiddie/Mitchell
Haliburton/KCP/Holiday
Deni/Kispert/Bertans
Kuzma/Rui/Todd
Sabonis/Gafford/Bryant

With the addition of SAC 2022 1st and NOP 2022 1st lottery protected (otherwise 2 seconds).

I think is possible this hypothetical roster would be better than our current team…and that is without taking to account the promise of Haliburton + Mitchell plus the additional picks.

Indiana is not trading Sabonis for Harrison Barnes and a late 2022 pick from Philly. Not even remotely realistic.

One can dream. That would be a pretty darn good package for us for Beal given the lack of draft assets from teams the make sense for Beal.

[Frichuela]

Playing with the trade machine, I came out with another iteration of a PHI-SAC-WAS trade by including IND. The bottom line is that we trade Beal, Neto and Gill for Haliburton, Mitchell, Sabonis and SAC 2022 1st. Simmons (+Neto and Gill) goes to SAC, Beal to Philly and Barnes + PHI 2022 1st to IND.

This would need another follow-up trade to get rid of a center (e.g. Harrell to CHA for NOP 2022 1st lottery protected).

Our roster would be like:

Dinwiddie/Mitchell
Haliburton/KCP/Holiday
Deni/Kispert/Bertans
Kuzma/Rui/Todd
Sabonis/Gafford/Bryant

With the addition of SAC 2022 1st and NOP 2022 1st lottery protected (otherwise 2 seconds).

I think is possible this hypothetical roster would be better than our current team…and that is without taking to account the promise of Haliburton + Mitchell plus the additional picks.

Indiana is not trading Sabonis for Harrison Barnes and a late 2022 pick from Philly. Not even remotely realistic.

Well, we could sweeten the offer and add Rui + swap PHI 1st with SAC 1st (which is likely to be in the lottery). I think IND may bite if they get Barnes, Rui and a lottery 1st for Sabonis.

[nate33]

Playing with the trade machine, I came out with another iteration of a PHI-SAC-WAS trade by including IND. The bottom line is that we trade Beal, Neto and Gill for Haliburton, Mitchell, Sabonis and SAC 2022 1st. Simmons (+Neto and Gill) goes to SAC, Beal to Philly and Barnes + PHI 2022 1st to IND.

This would need another follow-up trade to get rid of a center (e.g. Harrell to CHA for NOP 2022 1st lottery protected).

Our roster would be like:

Dinwiddie/Mitchell
Haliburton/KCP/Holiday
Deni/Kispert/Bertans
Kuzma/Rui/Todd
Sabonis/Gafford/Bryant

With the addition of SAC 2022 1st and NOP 2022 1st lottery protected (otherwise 2 seconds).

I think is possible this hypothetical roster would be better than our current team…and that is without taking to account the promise of Haliburton + Mitchell plus the additional picks.

Indiana is not trading Sabonis for Harrison Barnes and a late 2022 pick from Philly. Not even remotely realistic.

Well, we could sweeten the offer and add Rui + swap PHI 1st with SAC 1st (which is likely to be in the lottery). I think IND may bite if they get Barnes, Rui and a lottery 1st for Sabonis.

I don't see Sacramento trading Haliburton, Mitchell, Barnes and a lotto pick for Simmons.

Any way you slice it, Beal and filler isn't going to land us Sabonis, Haliburton, Mitchell and a pick. It's just a bad combination of teams because none of them have a hole at center for Sabonis to fill, so nobody is going to give Indy what Sabonis is worth.

[Frichuela]

Indiana is not trading Sabonis for Harrison Barnes and a late 2022 pick from Philly. Not even remotely realistic.

Well, we could sweeten the offer and add Rui + swap PHI 1st with SAC 1st (which is likely to be in the lottery). I think IND may bite if they get Barnes, Rui and a lottery 1st for Sabonis.

I don't see Sacramento trading Haliburton, Mitchell, Barnes and a lotto pick for Simmons.

Any way you slice it, Beal and filler isn't going to land us Sabonis, Haliburton, Mitchell and a pick. It's just a bad combination of teams because none of them have a hole at center for Sabonis to fill, so nobody is going to give Indy what Sabonis is worth.

Well the lotto pick is in the eye of the beholder..SAC may believe that adding Simmons to Fox, Hield, Holmes etc may propel them to the playoffs. It has been widely speculated their interest in Simmons and is either Fox or a package around Haliburton. Let’s face it, is not the first time that SAC has made questionable decisions…

[FAH1223]

Lmaooo

Read on Twitter

[gambitx777]

Lmaooo

Read on Twitter

OMG lol what a god damn Savage lol fatality!

Sent from my SM-G991U1 using RealGM mobile app

[Frichuela]

Given the reported interest of ATL on Simmons, here is another iteration of a Beal trade to PHI where we are the 3rd party. This time Atlanta (instead of SAC) get Simmons:

Wiz get Huerter, Maxey + Fodder (Gallo+Lou Will)+ ATL 2022 1st and give up Beal + Fodder (Neto, Gill).

ATL get Simmons and give up Huerter, Fodder and a 1st to get him.

PHI get Beal and give up Simmons+Maxey.

We would be betting that Huerter and/or Maxey keep improving and reach an all star level down the line, in addition to what we could get with ATL 2022 1st and our own 2022 1st. Huerter is signed to a reasonable 4-yr contract extension after this year. He is shown he can perform in a playoff setting and brings the added bonus of being a Maryland alumni.

[NatP4]

Beal for Jaylen Brown seems to make more and more sense as the season wears on. Brown is good, but simply has too much tunnel vision to be an effective playmaker. Boston needs someone who can run the offense and get others involved, as well as being the #2 option behind Tatum. Brown for Beal is perfect, particularly since the emergence of Point Beal. Basically, Boston is trading some defense for better playmaking.

Sheppard needs to quietly contact Boston and Philly and let them know he will trade Beal for whomever can put together the best package of Simmons and stuff or Brown and stuff.

It just makes so much more sense for us to have either Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons, than to have Beal at a $45M a year price tag.

Brown will cost $18M a year less than Beal, and is 3 years younger.
Simmons will cost $11M a year less than Beal, and is 3 years younger.

How does this make sense? That will only hurt our draft position as the season goes on, it does little to nothing for our future. We need draft assets and to tank our way into a top 10 pick

[NatP4]

I think I would trade Beal to Portland for 7th overall+maybe some future picks. It’s a realistic destination, I’m sure Lillard and Beal would like to play together. Portland has plenty of expiring filler contracts.

7th overall is a blue chip A level prospect in this draft. You might end up with Keegan Murray, Kendall Brown, or AJ Griffin.

Our pick would then end up top 10 as well. In the 4-10 range, there are going to be a handful of A level prospects this year. That’s the value in this draft, hands down. We need to cash in.

A couple top 10 picks+a late 1st in exchange for Harrell and loads of cap space moving forward would be the best spot this franchise has been in in a long time.

[nate33]

Beal for Jaylen Brown seems to make more and more sense as the season wears on. Brown is good, but simply has too much tunnel vision to be an effective playmaker. Boston needs someone who can run the offense and get others involved, as well as being the #2 option behind Tatum. Brown for Beal is perfect, particularly since the emergence of Point Beal. Basically, Boston is trading some defense for better playmaking.

Sheppard needs to quietly contact Boston and Philly and let them know he will trade Beal for whomever can put together the best package of Simmons and stuff or Brown and stuff.

It just makes so much more sense for us to have either Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons, than to have Beal at a $45M a year price tag.

Brown will cost $18M a year less than Beal, and is 3 years younger.
Simmons will cost $11M a year less than Beal, and is 3 years younger.

How does this make sense? That will only hurt our draft position as the season goes on, it does little to nothing for our future. We need draft assets and to tank our way into a top 10 pick

If we could trade Beal for lotto picks, I'd be all for it. The problem is, teams with lotto picks have little interest in a 28-year-old guard who is likely to want to play for a contender when he hits free agency this summer.

I'm certainly in favor of a 3-way trade where Beal gets turned into Simmons/Brown who then get sent to a 3rd team with lotto picks. But if we can't do that, the next best thing is to at least turn the asset of Beal into an asset like Simmons or Brown that will hold its value over the next year or two while we look for other rebuilding trades.

[nate33]

I think I would trade Beal to Portland for 7th overall+maybe some future picks. It’s a realistic destination, I’m sure Lillard and Beal would like to play together. Portland has plenty of expiring filler contracts.

7th overall is a blue chip A level prospect in this draft. You might end up with Keegan Murray, Kendall Brown, or AJ Griffin.

Our pick would then end up top 10 as well. In the 4-10 range, there are going to be a handful of A level prospects this year. That’s the value in this draft, hands down. We need to cash in.

A couple top 10 picks+a late 1st in exchange for Harrell and loads of cap space moving forward would be the best spot this franchise has been in in a long time.

Do you think a Portland team with Lillard and Beal will finish the season with a record low enough to land the 7th pick? I don't.

I also don't think Portland would risk trading for Beal. That Portland situation isn't stable enough for them to be sure that Beal will commit to them long term.

[nate33]

Given the reported interest of ATL on Simmons, here is another iteration of a Beal trade to PHI where we are the 3rd party. This time Atlanta (instead of SAC) get Simmons:

Wiz get Huerter, Maxey + Fodder (Gallo+Lou Will)+ ATL 2022 1st and give up Beal + Fodder (Neto, Gill).

ATL get Simmons and give up Huerter, Fodder and a 1st to get him.

PHI get Beal and give up Simmons+Maxey.

We would be betting that Huerter and/or Maxey keep improving and reach an all star level down the line, in addition to what we could get with ATL 2022 1st and our own 2022 1st. Huerter is signed to a reasonable 4-yr contract extension after this year. He is shown he can perform in a playoff setting and brings the added bonus of being a Maryland alumni.

Not sure if serious.

So you pull off a Beal for Simmons + Maxey trade, which is fine. But then you flip Simmons for Huerter and a mid 2022 1st? That's it? Simmons is a 3-time All-Star. Huerter is a 3rd guard who just signed for starter's money. WTF?

If we are sending Simmons to Atlanta, we should be asking for Okongwu, Reddish and the pick.

[Frichuela]

Given the reported interest of ATL on Simmons, here is another iteration of a Beal trade to PHI where we are the 3rd party. This time Atlanta (instead of SAC) get Simmons:

Wiz get Huerter, Maxey + Fodder (Gallo+Lou Will)+ ATL 2022 1st and give up Beal + Fodder (Neto, Gill).

ATL get Simmons and give up Huerter, Fodder and a 1st to get him.

PHI get Beal and give up Simmons+Maxey.

We would be betting that Huerter and/or Maxey keep improving and reach an all star level down the line, in addition to what we could get with ATL 2022 1st and our own 2022 1st. Huerter is signed to a reasonable 4-yr contract extension after this year. He is shown he can perform in a playoff setting and brings the added bonus of being a Maryland alumni.

Not sure if serious.

So you pull off a Beal for Simmons + Maxey trade, which is fine. But then you flip Simmons for Huerter and a mid 2022 1st? That's it? Simmons is a 3-time All-Star. Huerter is a 3rd guard who just signed for starter's money. WTF?

If we are sending Simmons to Atlanta, we should be asking for Okongwu, Reddish and the pick.

Sure. Okongwu could be added to the package (replacing Lou Will) so we get him+Huerter+the pick. I just like Huerter more than Reddish as a prospect.

[NatP4]

I think I would trade Beal to Portland for 7th overall+maybe some future picks. It’s a realistic destination, I’m sure Lillard and Beal would like to play together. Portland has plenty of expiring filler contracts.

7th overall is a blue chip A level prospect in this draft. You might end up with Keegan Murray, Kendall Brown, or AJ Griffin.

Our pick would then end up top 10 as well. In the 4-10 range, there are going to be a handful of A level prospects this year. That’s the value in this draft, hands down. We need to cash in.

A couple top 10 picks+a late 1st in exchange for Harrell and loads of cap space moving forward would be the best spot this franchise has been in in a long time.

Do you think a Portland team with Lillard and Beal will finish the season with a record low enough to land the 7th pick? I don't.

I also don't think Portland would risk trading for Beal. That Portland situation isn't stable enough for them to be sure that Beal will commit to them long term.

I don’t think that Portland team would be very good. They would still probably finish in the lottery, and we would certainly finish top 10.

I’ll take the 9th and 12th picks or something like that. It would present trade up options as well, but there is always an A level prospect that falls to that spot.

In response to your Simmons/Brown trade scenario (where we don’t flip them for assets), why is that better than even trading for even a collection of mid to late 1sts? All it does is hurt our draft position and give us a lesser player moving forward. It doesn’t move the needle for me.

[nate33]

I think I would trade Beal to Portland for 7th overall+maybe some future picks. It’s a realistic destination, I’m sure Lillard and Beal would like to play together. Portland has plenty of expiring filler contracts.

7th overall is a blue chip A level prospect in this draft. You might end up with Keegan Murray, Kendall Brown, or AJ Griffin.

Our pick would then end up top 10 as well. In the 4-10 range, there are going to be a handful of A level prospects this year. That’s the value in this draft, hands down. We need to cash in.

A couple top 10 picks+a late 1st in exchange for Harrell and loads of cap space moving forward would be the best spot this franchise has been in in a long time.

Do you think a Portland team with Lillard and Beal will finish the season with a record low enough to land the 7th pick? I don't.

I also don't think Portland would risk trading for Beal. That Portland situation isn't stable enough for them to be sure that Beal will commit to them long term.

I don’t think that Portland team would be very good. They would still probably finish in the lottery, and we would certainly finish top 10.

I’ll take the 9th and 12th picks or something like that. It would present trade up options as well, but there is always an A level prospect that falls to that spot.

In response to your Simmons/Brown trade scenario (where we don’t flip them for assets), why is that better than even trading for even a collection of mid to late 1sts? All it does is hurt our draft position and give us a lesser player moving forward. It doesn’t move the needle for me.

I don't think Brown or Simmons will be "lesser players" than Beal over the next 3 years.

And having a young All-Star is better than not having a young All-Star. I could definitely see a lotto team like Orlando, OKC or Detroit trading a lotto pick for a guy like Simmons or Brown, who is young enough to grow alongside the existing young talent already on the roster.

[FAH1223]

Per Brian Windhorst and reported on RealGM Wiretap.. all is quiet on the Beal trade front.

Read on Twitter

[Ruzious]

Zero chance that we get Maxey in addition to Simmons for Beal. He's too valuable to Philly - and on the 2nd year of a dirt cheap rookie contract.

[payitforward]

Given the reported interest of ATL on Simmons, here is another iteration of a Beal trade to PHI where we are the 3rd party. This time Atlanta (instead of SAC) get Simmons:

Wiz get Huerter, Maxey + Fodder (Gallo+Lou Will)+ ATL 2022 1st and give up Beal + Fodder (Neto, Gill).

ATL get Simmons and give up Huerter, Fodder and a 1st to get him.

PHI get Beal and give up Simmons+Maxey.

We would be betting that Huerter and/or Maxey keep improving and reach an all star level down the line, in addition to what we could get with ATL 2022 1st and our own 2022 1st. Huerter is signed to a reasonable 4-yr contract extension after this year. He is shown he can perform in a playoff setting and brings the added bonus of being a Maryland alumni.

Not sure if serious.

So you pull off a Beal for Simmons + Maxey trade, which is fine. But then you flip Simmons for Huerter and a mid 2022 1st? That's it? Simmons is a 3-time All-Star. Huerter is a 3rd guard who just signed for starter's money. WTF?

If we are sending Simmons to Atlanta, we should be asking for Okongwu, Reddish and the pick.

Sure. Okongwu could be added to the package (replacing Lou Will) so we get him+Huerter+the pick. I just like Huerter more than Reddish as a prospect.

Well, for starters, I don't think we'd get Simmons & Maxey for Brad at this point. Last off-season that would have worked for sure, but, Brad has declined in value b/c his play has declined. & Maxey is significantly better this year than he was as a rookie.

If we can still get Simmons straight up for Beal, we'd be fools not to do it.

But, I wouldn't move Simmons to Atlanta for Okongwu, Reddish & a mid-R1 pick. Reddish hasn't made the jump this year that one would have hoped for. Nor would Huerter instead of Reddish increase the appeal. Huerter's a journeyman at best.

In fact, the only way I'd move Simmons in a scenario like this would be if Bertans went along with him. That way, at least we'd be relatively free to rebuild.

Truth is, I'd be quite interested to see what it would be like to play Simmons with Thomas Bryant & Deni. Would Dinwiddie be able to move to the 2 effectively? Now imagine that Bertans's 3-pointer returned....