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[Godaddycurse]

There is definite similarities. People just forget what Curry looked like when Green wasn't starting. He was at 40% ast%.

Curry is a gifted passer and playmaker but his assists were coming from different sets and his style was different than Trae.

Trae is much more heliocentric and his game is much more reliant on the drive and attack type game than Steph's ever was.

Simply looking at AST% and claiming they play alike is disingenuous to people who watch them player. Trae is much more similar to James Harden/Luka Doncic than Steph Curry.

You've seen him play one way because of the way he's been pushed into the league. Do you think Trae is really that basic? He has one way he can play?

Sounds like you think he plays like Westbrook

More like thats the way he can fish for the most fouls

[Colbinii]

There is definite similarities. People just forget what Curry looked like when Green wasn't starting. He was at 40% ast%.

Curry is a gifted passer and playmaker but his assists were coming from different sets and his style was different than Trae.

Trae is much more heliocentric and his game is much more reliant on the drive and attack type game than Steph's ever was.

Simply looking at AST% and claiming they play alike is disingenuous to people who watch them player. Trae is much more similar to James Harden/Luka Doncic than Steph Curry.

You've seen him play one way because of the way he's been pushed into the league. Do you think Trae is really that basic? He has one way he can play?

Sounds like you think he plays like Westbrook

Steph Curry is one of the most unique stars we have ever seen. His gravity off ball is what makes him one of the greatest offensive forces ever.

Trae Young is extremely talented, like Harden, Luka, Kobe, Magic, Nash, ect--its their on-ball player that makes them deadly.

I don't think Trae is Basic, I think he is a generational passer and one of the best point guards in the league. What do you mean one way? He has an extremely diverse offensive skill-set...

[zimpy27]

Curry is a gifted passer and playmaker but his assists were coming from different sets and his style was different than Trae.

Trae is much more heliocentric and his game is much more reliant on the drive and attack type game than Steph's ever was.

Simply looking at AST% and claiming they play alike is disingenuous to people who watch them player. Trae is much more similar to James Harden/Luka Doncic than Steph Curry.

You've seen him play one way because of the way he's been pushed into the league. Do you think Trae is really that basic? He has one way he can play?

Sounds like you think he plays like Westbrook

Steph Curry is one of the most unique stars we have ever seen. His gravity off ball is what makes him one of the greatest offensive forces ever.

Trae Young is extremely talented, like Harden, Luka, Kobe, Magic, Nash, ect--its their on-ball player that makes them deadly.

I don't think Trae is Basic, I think he is a generational passer and one of the best point guards in the league. What do you mean one way? He has an extremely diverse offensive skill-set...

Ray Allen had off ball gravity like Curry. Is that what you mean?

I think Trae could definitely have that if able to play off ball. I think Simmons would enable that. That's kind of what I'm saying.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah I'm with Colbini on this. Trae is a great on-ball player. And despite his rep coming into the league, he's done nothing to suggest that he could remotely approach all-time great shooters level impact running around screens of-ball.

That doesn't mean he's Westbrook or Harden or Luka or anyone else. He's Trae.

Now I think Atlanta definitely has room for Ben Simmons and that he and Trae could play together without issue. I love that idea for Atlanta. But they should not try and turn Trae into Steph. That would devalue Trae considerably.

[shrink]

I thought people might be interested in the RAPTOR on Tre.

Offensive, he is the best in the league, at +8.6. That’s a full point above #2 Jokic, and two points over #3 Curry.

However, defensively he is -4.0, which in the bottom 5 for the players that have played enough minutes qualify. That still puts him in the Top 20 overall.

This is a unique player - don’t bother looking for comps.

[Texas Chuck]

I thought people might be interested in the RAPTOR on Tre.

Offensive, he is the best in the league, at +8.6. That’s a full point above #2 Jokic, and two points over #3 Curry.

However, defensively he is -4.0, which in the bottom 5 for the players that have played enough minutes qualify. That still puts him in the Top 20 overall.

This is a unique player - don’t bother looking for comps.

+100

And this goes for a bunch of players and basically every star player. Far different from role players who can often easily be slotted in as 3&d, stretch big, PNR guard, etc...

[VCfor3]

A couple RealGM tidbits:
-Market size may matter to Donovan Mitchell after the disappointing All Star vote return
-Hawks more likely to trade Cam than extend him
-NYK haven't called about Simmons to this point though had some internal discussions
-Everything is quiet on the Beal front

[Soulyss]

I thought people might be interested in the RAPTOR on Tre.

Offensive, he is the best in the league, at +8.6. That’s a full point above #2 Jokic, and two points over #3 Curry.

However, defensively he is -4.0, which in the bottom 5 for the players that have played enough minutes qualify. That still puts him in the Top 20 overall.

This is a unique player - don’t bother looking for comps.

I think the problem with Trae is that defense is the most consistent, reliable measure of impact... If Trae goes through a tough shooting night he's damn near unplayable.

[Texas Chuck]

I thought people might be interested in the RAPTOR on Tre.

Offensive, he is the best in the league, at +8.6. That’s a full point above #2 Jokic, and two points over #3 Curry.

However, defensively he is -4.0, which in the bottom 5 for the players that have played enough minutes qualify. That still puts him in the Top 20 overall.

This is a unique player - don’t bother looking for comps.

I think the problem with Trae is that defense is the most consistent, reliable measure of impact... If Trae goes through a tough shooting night he's damn near unplayable.

He absolutely isn't. He's still a tremendous playmaker and teams are still going to respect his scoring. Gravity doesn't go away when a good shooter misses shots. It's the threat of the next shot that matters not the result of the previous one.

Trae is the furthest thing from unplayable. Yeah his defense is a major issue. Hawks are going to have to figure out how to convince him he has to at least try and Nate has to do a better job of hiding him. But he brings far more offensive value even on off nights than he costs them at the other end. Because the reality is in this league, almost nobody can really defend the other team's PG. Trae isn't that different from Dame or Kyrie or Ja.

[toooskies]

How much would Cleveland need to add to turn Markkanen + Rubio into Hayward?

[Scoot McGroot]

How much would Cleveland need to add to turn Markkanen + Rubio into Hayward?

Would Lauri play center in Charlotte? Otherwise, he’s clearly behind Bridges, and probably behind Washington, too.

[Godaddycurse]

How much would Cleveland need to add to turn Markkanen + Rubio into Hayward?

Dont think they are interested in picks unless its a 3 way for a better player.

[zimpy27]

How much would Cleveland need to add to turn Markkanen + Rubio into Hayward?

Allen+Cedi gets it done plus more

[babyjax13]

How much would Cleveland need to add to turn Markkanen + Rubio into Hayward?

Allen+Cedi gets it done plus more

I think the only players Cleveland would or should offer Allen for on Charlotte's roster would be Ball or Bridges. Per the original question, don't see Charlotte wanting Lauri at all, so the compensation would have to be significant. Maybe 2 1sts + Sexton to a third team for another first?

[toooskies]

How much would Cleveland need to add to turn Markkanen + Rubio into Hayward?

Would Lauri play center in Charlotte? Otherwise, he’s clearly behind Bridges, and probably behind Washington, too.

Bridges would play the 3, Markkanen gets minutes at both the 4 and the 5.

But maybe a three-way where Rubio + value turns into a C (like Olynyk, or Turner if CHA throws in a pick)?

[tidho]

Lauri is a F. From what we've seen this year, he's not even a PF, just a F. Nobody should plan on playing that guy at C. CLE is probably using him as well as he can be used right now.

As for a potential Hayward trade, there's no way i'd be stacking up 1sts to acquire a guy with his injury history.

[shangrila]

A couple RealGM tidbits:
-Market size may matter to Donovan Mitchell after the disappointing All Star vote return
-Hawks more likely to trade Cam than extend him
-NYK haven't called about Simmons to this point though had some internal discussions
-Everything is quiet on the Beal front

If true, how depressing.

Even if you’re one of the best teams in the league you still can’t keep your star.

[DoItALL9]

Is there any chance DeAndre Ayton will be traded this year for

Myles Turner?
KAT?
Domantas Sabonis?
Christian Wood?
Jonas Valančiūnas

Other assets might need to be included obviously

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[Mamba4Goat]

Is there any chance DeAndre Ayton will be traded this year for

Myles Turner?
KAT?
Domantas Sabonis?
Christian Wood?
Jonas Valančiūnas

Other assets might need to be included obviously

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I don’t think so. The Suns still have RFA rights and can just offer him the max then. Unless new bad blood came out I wouldn’t think that Ayton is available.

[VCfor3]

A couple RealGM tidbits:
-Market size may matter to Donovan Mitchell after the disappointing All Star vote return
-Hawks more likely to trade Cam than extend him
-NYK haven't called about Simmons to this point though had some internal discussions
-Everything is quiet on the Beal front

If true, how depressing.

Even if you’re one of the best teams in the league you still can’t keep your star.

Ja is sitting in 3rd in the guard vote. As he keeps getting better and more recognition I think he will get his votes even in Memphis. There are certainly advantages to the big market, but you can get past it.

TL/DR: Mitchell should just come to Memphis and his problems will be solved