Brown - Simmons - Fox - Ingram

Post #1 » by **Foshan** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 1:11 pm

So there are potentially 4 young stars that arguably could benefit (or their teams could benefit), is their a deal that moves them all in one move?

kuclas · Post #2 » by **kuclas** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 1:23 pm

Everyone wants “value” in any trade.

Fox is the least appealing of the 4. Ingram is the next least appealing. Empty stats player.

I don’t see New Orleans moving Ingram until zion gets back and playing. They want to give that a chance.

Fox will be moved for the right price since kings have too many guards

Brown won’t be moved. Period. Boston will ride it out for another year and try to fix their problems

I see Simmons sitting out all season.

ProcessDoctor · Post #3 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:33 pm

Hard to fit both Ingram and Brown in the same trade. Excluding one of them makes it pretty easy.

To BOS or NOP: Fox +
To PHI: Brown or Ingram
To SAC: Simmons

hugepatsfan · Post #4 » by **hugepatsfan** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:42 pm

Not really. Don’t think Boston would trade Brown for any of the rest. PHI wouldnt trade Simmons for Fox. NO wouldn’t trade Ingram for Simmons or Fox. There just isn’t a combo that works and don’t see any of the other teams adding much extra to facilitate a swap.

patman66 · Post #5 » by **patman66** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:51 pm

yeah, Brown is most likely staying. Athers are more expensive and Fox is a down grade, Ingram at best is a wash, Simmons has too many questions.

I think simmons has to get out of the northeast, the fans and media are just too brutal.

HotelVitale · Post #6 » by **HotelVitale** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:55 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Not really. Don’t think Boston would trade Brown for any of the rest. PHI wouldnt trade Simmons for Fox. NO wouldn’t trade Ingram for Simmons or Fox. There just isn’t a combo that works and don’t see any of the other teams adding much extra to facilitate a swap.

That looks right to me. It might not be impossible to find roughly equal abstract value among the 4 (balanced with some picks etc one way or another) but the players coming in don’t given the teams what they need. What happens when we’re talking about younger players plus teams that aren’t in full rebuild.

agkagk · Post #7 » by **agkagk** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 4:04 pm

kuclas wrote:Everyone wants “value” in any trade.

Fox is the least appealing of the 4. Ingram is the next least appealing. Empty stats player.

I don’t see New Orleans moving Ingram until zion gets back and playing. They want to give that a chance.

Fox will be moved for the right price since kings have too many guards

Brown won’t be moved. Period. Boston will ride it out for another year and try to fix their problems

I see Simmons sitting out all season.

You just made a compelling argument for A fox for Ingram trade

Sportfan73 · Post #8 » by **Sportfan73** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 4:23 pm

agkagk wrote:
kuclas wrote:Everyone wants “value” in any trade.

Fox is the least appealing of the 4. Ingram is the next least appealing. Empty stats player.

I don’t see New Orleans moving Ingram until zion gets back and playing. They want to give that a chance.

Fox will be moved for the right price since kings have too many guards

Brown won’t be moved. Period. Boston will ride it out for another year and try to fix their problems

I see Simmons sitting out all season.

You just made a compelling argument for A fox for Ingram trade

Could easily argue too that a 3 way with Ingram to Philly and Simmons to Sac makes more sense for sac. Defensive woah’s and tons of shooters that would fit really well around Ben

Sactowndog · Post #9 » by **Sactowndog** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:36 pm

Sportfan73 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
kuclas wrote:Everyone wants “value” in any trade.

Fox is the least appealing of the 4. Ingram is the next least appealing. Empty stats player.

I don’t see New Orleans moving Ingram until zion gets back and playing. They want to give that a chance.

Fox will be moved for the right price since kings have too many guards

Brown won’t be moved. Period. Boston will ride it out for another year and try to fix their problems

I see Simmons sitting out all season.

You just made a compelling argument for A fox for Ingram trade

Could easily argue too that a 3 way with Ingram to Philly and Simmons to Sac makes more sense for sac. Defensive woah’s and tons of shooters that would fit really well around Ben

True but Monte isn’t giving up Fox and Firsts. Simmons for Fox maybe but not Fox +.

RoyceDa59 · Post #10 » by **RoyceDa59** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:38 pm

Brown a notch ahead of these other.

The other three too many aren’t that appealing all things considered.

draftnightsuit · Post #11 » by **draftnightsuit** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 6:01 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:
agkagk wrote:

You just made a compelling argument for A fox for Ingram trade

Could easily argue too that a 3 way with Ingram to Philly and Simmons to Sac makes more sense for sac. Defensive woah’s and tons of shooters that would fit really well around Ben

True but Monte isn’t giving up Fox and Firsts. Simmons for Fox maybe but not Fox +.

Instead of giving up first, send Hield to Philly.

stormi · Post #12 » by **stormi** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 6:11 pm

I'd add to get Ingram, Wouldn't add or expect to receive an add in a deal for Brown, I'd need an add to feel comfortable receiving Fox.

realball · Post #13 » by **realball** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 6:30 pm

Ingram is closer to Tatum than Brown, he shouldn't be lumped in this group.

PhillyNj · Post #14 » by **PhillyNj** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:11 pm

realball wrote:Ingram is closer to Tatum than Brown, he shouldn't be lumped in this group.

Tatum>>>Brown>>Ingram IMO.

realball · Post #15 » by **realball** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:17 pm

PhillyNj wrote:
realball wrote:Ingram is closer to Tatum than Brown, he shouldn't be lumped in this group.

Tatum>>>Brown>>Ingram IMO.

Nah, Brown is averaging less assists than turnovers, Ingram is nearly 2:1 in that regard. Ingram has shown he can at least be a 1st option on a lower end team... Brown has yet to show that ability consistently.

PhillyNj · Post #16 » by **PhillyNj** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:20 pm

realball wrote:
PhillyNj wrote:
realball wrote:Ingram is closer to Tatum than Brown, he shouldn't be lumped in this group.

Tatum>>>Brown>>Ingram IMO.

Nah, Brown is averaging less assists than turnovers, Ingram is nearly 2:1 in that regard. Ingram has shown he can at least be a 1st option on a lower end team... Brown has yet to show that ability consistently.

Well I’m a Sixers fan (long time) I’d add 2frp’s to get Tatum.
Brown and Simmons are equal in my view.
All of them are better than Ingram.
It would take Ingram and 2 FRP’s to get Simmons. Honestly I still wouldn’t make that trade.

realball · Post #17 » by **realball** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:22 pm

PhillyNj wrote:
realball wrote:
PhillyNj wrote:Tatum>>>Brown>>Ingram IMO.

Nah, Brown is averaging less assists than turnovers, Ingram is nearly 2:1 in that regard. Ingram has shown he can at least be a 1st option on a lower end team... Brown has yet to show that ability consistently.

Well I’m a Sixers fan (long time) I’d add 2frp’s to get Tatum.
Brown and Simmons are equal in my view.
All of them are better than Ingram.
It would take Ingram and 2 FRP’s to get Simmons. Honestly I still wouldn’t make that trade.

And I agree that Tatum is worth more than Ingram because of his past accolades.

But Brown is worth more than Simmons, and Ingram is worth more than Brown.

Fencer reregistered · Post #18 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 9:53 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Hard to fit both Ingram and Brown in the same trade. Excluding one of them makes it pretty easy.

To BOS or NOP: Fox +
To PHI: Brown or Ingram
To SAC: Simmons

Downgrading talent from Brown to Fox or Simmons might work in a trade.

But those trade ideas also downgrade shooting, on a team that already wishes it had more. So Brown/Fox is hard to make work, let alone Brown/Simmons.

giannis and 1 · Post #19 » by **giannis and 1** » Sun Jan 9, 2022 1:03 am

I think Fox for Ingram makes sense.