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spree2kawhi wrote:
This is now the moment that you wake up from that sick dream regretting that you haven’t tanked properly and realize that nobody would want freaking Julius Randle in return. It’s a shame that we do not have any remotely talented enough young assets literally at all for such an occasion. We don’t.
We could have had some by now, but we don’t. We carelessly, stubbornly, stupidly - but most definitely - actively decided not to. This is now the moment.
Jeffrey wrote:I doubt Haliburton is available when he is on his rookie contract. Did he do a KP or something that I don't know about? It's most likely Fox.
Fox, Bagley
for
Randle, Knox, Kemba and Knicks FRP 2022
Some of you think it's too much. But people have traded a lot less for that FRP.
If Kings wants to balance that lineup. It's really Sabonis, Randle, Simmons and Collins that I see are available. I don't see any other All-Star level big man available.
Jeffrey wrote:I doubt Haliburton is available when he is on his rookie contract. Did he do a KP or something that I don't know about? It's most likely Fox.
Fox, Bagley
for
Randle, Knox, Kemba and Knicks FRP 2022
Some of you think it's too much. But people have traded a lot less for that FRP.
If Kings wants to balance that lineup. It's really Sabonis, Randle, Simmons and Collins that I see are available. I don't see any other All-Star level big man available.
WargamesX wrote:Jeffrey wrote:I doubt Haliburton is available when he is on his rookie contract. Did he do a KP or something that I don't know about? It's most likely Fox.
Fox, Bagley
for
Randle, Knox, Kemba and Knicks FRP 2022
Some of you think it's too much. But people have traded a lot less for that FRP.
If Kings wants to balance that lineup. It's really Sabonis, Randle, Simmons and Collins that I see are available. I don't see any other All-Star level big man available.
Haliburton is actually injury prone.
He’s had two season ending injuries the two seasons prior and missed games this season for back issues. Beyond that Fox and Davion Mitchell could be the future PG rotation, they actually need a PF.
I would prefer to not trade Obi but….
Trade Scenario
Haliburton
Hield
For
Burks
Obi
Knox
Arcidiacono
And maybe our two other draft picks (Mavs and Hornets)
Kings Post Trade
Fox
Burks
Barnes
Obi
Holmes
Would all be under contract for 3+ years, two 1st round draft picks, and they would go into this offseason with around 20 million in cap space. Not the greatest picks but they are getting a top 10 drafted player from 2020 draft who did put up good numbers playing when Randle was out and has looked good when given minutes. Long story short I think it can be done if Kings are trying to save money and get talent under contract that fits with Fox. They would have guys who could work well with him in a fast paced transition offense. Burks plays like Bogdanovic who fit very well with Fox as a SG, and Obi has played well in a fast offense, It doesn’t hurt that they drafted another PG this year who looks good and as I said before Haliburton is a injury risk. Burks production also isn’t far behind Hield but Hield is owed 22 Million (more than Randle even makes) for 3 years compared to just 9 Mil on a 3 year contract for Burks (with a third year team option). Also Obi on his rookie contract fits in with them too because they would have a good PF on a rookie deal and would be able to let Marvin Bagley walk in the offseason (honestly the way Bagley’s father talks he is walking regardless). Knox and Arcidiacono are there for salary matching reasons, and they get the Knicks additional draft assets for their trouble.
Knicks Post Trade
Haliburton
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Mitch
Bench
Rose
IQ
Hield
Taj
Noel
The knicks take care of their PF glut and add (if healthy) the best PG they probably could for this squad in Haliburton. He can do point of attack defense, not the best shooter (but who is on this team) and he can play off ball from Randle. Hield is expensive, but in theory if Hield, Rose, Fournier, and Noel come off the cap at the same time. That is almost $60 Mil off the books in 3 seasons. Look up the FA in 2024 it’s actually the next really good FA. It’s hypothetical but if they pay RJ and Mitch market value. They might have a lot of cap space because both Haliburton and IQ’s cap holds are small because they were not drafted high. Combined it might be a smaller caphold than Obi’s by itself. Kemba becomes expendable and probably gets moved for seconds (to Thibs eternal joy). Long term I think they can grab a Back up PF Thibs like say Robert Convington for an exception next year maybe or they call up Luka Semanic. Plus the Knicks who still have their own future picks got rid of the extra draft picks (Mavs, Hornets) that they really don’t have space to draft. Knicks happily do it because Haliburton’s half court offense might actually get this team on track and it’s not a bad trade of basically all their trade assets if you think Haliburton will be the long-term PG of the future.
Actually a fair deal for a guy the Knicks could have drafted if a certain POBO didn’t want to give his son a nice agent bonus…
Nazrmohamed wrote:Jeffrey wrote:I doubt Haliburton is available when he is on his rookie contract. Did he do a KP or something that I don't know about? It's most likely Fox.
Fox, Bagley
for
Randle, Knox, Kemba and Knicks FRP 2022
Some of you think it's too much. But people have traded a lot less for that FRP.
If Kings wants to balance that lineup. It's really Sabonis, Randle, Simmons and Collins that I see are available. I don't see any other All-Star level big man available.
I think it's too much but for some reason I just dont care anymore. I've made my arguments before. Randle is a failure of a primary option on a team expected to make the playoffs, Fox is a failure of a star on a rebuilding team.
I expect to make a trade for Fox with that notion in mind. Or at least I did but ya know I'm so fricken angry that I might just bail on my ideals. Just remember though, if you went on a Kings board they feel the same way about Fox. He's only a 5 assist PG, ranks in the bottom 5percentile in defense and can't shoot. So.....just know what you're getting yourself into.
This isn't a holy crap this guy is obviously a way better player trade. It's more like a let's gamble that new scenery may benefit both crappy players trade.
spree8 wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:Jeffrey wrote:I doubt Haliburton is available when he is on his rookie contract. Did he do a KP or something that I don't know about? It's most likely Fox.
Fox, Bagley
for
Randle, Knox, Kemba and Knicks FRP 2022
Some of you think it's too much. But people have traded a lot less for that FRP.
If Kings wants to balance that lineup. It's really Sabonis, Randle, Simmons and Collins that I see are available. I don't see any other All-Star level big man available.
I think it's too much but for some reason I just dont care anymore. I've made my arguments before. Randle is a failure of a primary option on a team expected to make the playoffs, Fox is a failure of a star on a rebuilding team.
I expect to make a trade for Fox with that notion in mind. Or at least I did but ya know I'm so fricken angry that I might just bail on my ideals. Just remember though, if you went on a Kings board they feel the same way about Fox. He's only a 5 assist PG, ranks in the bottom 5percentile in defense and can't shoot. So.....just know what you're getting yourself into.
This isn't a holy crap this guy is obviously a way better player trade. It's more like a let's gamble that new scenery may benefit both crappy players trade.
I’d make that gamble. Fox is still the best pg we’ve had since Marbury. I’m willing to bet that he’s regressed due to poor coaching, a poor development staff, poor ownership and management drafting his same position two years in a row and not upgrading the roster in the slightest despite having the means to. Just a garbage franchise all around.
Randle has a top coach and staff, players put around him to help with the scoring load, a nice contract, and instead he chooses to pout and complain because he’s a ball hog, walk out of huddles, talk shyt to the fans, shows up and collects a check while putting in little effort on the court on hustle plays… yea, I’ll take Fox all day over this lazy sob.
Nazrmohamed wrote:spree8 wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:
I think it's too much but for some reason I just dont care anymore. I've made my arguments before. Randle is a failure of a primary option on a team expected to make the playoffs, Fox is a failure of a star on a rebuilding team.
I expect to make a trade for Fox with that notion in mind. Or at least I did but ya know I'm so fricken angry that I might just bail on my ideals. Just remember though, if you went on a Kings board they feel the same way about Fox. He's only a 5 assist PG, ranks in the bottom 5percentile in defense and can't shoot. So.....just know what you're getting yourself into.
This isn't a holy crap this guy is obviously a way better player trade. It's more like a let's gamble that new scenery may benefit both crappy players trade.
I’d make that gamble. Fox is still the best pg we’ve had since Marbury. I’m willing to bet that he’s regressed due to poor coaching, a poor development staff, poor ownership and management drafting his same position two years in a row and not upgrading the roster in the slightest despite having the means to. Just a garbage franchise all around.
Randle has a top coach and staff, players put around him to help with the scoring load, a nice contract, and instead he chooses to pout and complain because he’s a ball hog, walk out of huddles, talk shyt to the fans, shows up and collects a check while putting in little effort on the court on hustle plays… yea, I’ll take Fox all day over this lazy sob.
You get no disagreements from me, just maintain bargaining power is all I'm saying.
spree8 wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:spree8 wrote:
I’d make that gamble. Fox is still the best pg we’ve had since Marbury. I’m willing to bet that he’s regressed due to poor coaching, a poor development staff, poor ownership and management drafting his same position two years in a row and not upgrading the roster in the slightest despite having the means to. Just a garbage franchise all around.
Randle has a top coach and staff, players put around him to help with the scoring load, a nice contract, and instead he chooses to pout and complain because he’s a ball hog, walk out of huddles, talk shyt to the fans, shows up and collects a check while putting in little effort on the court on hustle plays… yea, I’ll take Fox all day over this lazy sob.
You get no disagreements from me, just maintain bargaining power is all I'm saying.
Oh shyt, that deal says adding our 2022 1st… nah, not offering that… I don’t think we’d need to. Like you said, I think we could get a bargain on Fox. They could just sell the hell out of Randle’s accolades last year and their need for a pf to get them to bite.
Monk1718 wrote:2 guys that can play pf when we need a pg lol
Juco24 wrote:Didn't see a place for this,, so here goes... Apparently the Knicks have contacted the Pistons about Grant and Pacers about Turner.
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