LeBron joins the Top 10 in Steals

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Think history will look even more highly Lebron career post retirement. Similar to Kareem.

Kareem was considered the GOAT during his playing days. Nowadays it's considered Blasphemy to suggest that he belongs in the GOAT conversation with Jordan and LeBron. It's like ESPN and all of the media pundits forgot about a player who is the all-time leading scorer in NBA history and has more MVP's than both Jordan and LeBron.

Kareem my goat. Not sure when Jordan passed him.

[Myth]

Pretty remarkable. LeBron is a special, special talent.

Also still boggles the mind that Hakeem --a centre-- is top 10. What a phenom he was, too.

In 100 less games than Lebron too. Hakeem is severely underrated.

[Myth]

Think history will look even more highly Lebron career post retirement. Similar to Kareem.

Kareem was considered the GOAT during his playing days. Nowadays it's considered Blasphemy to suggest that he belongs in the GOAT conversation with Jordan and LeBron. It's like ESPN and all of the media pundits forgot about a player who is the all-time leading scorer in NBA history and has more MVP's than both Jordan and LeBron.

Kareem my goat. Not sure when Jordan passed him.

My brother has KAJ as his GOAT as well. I have MJ #1, but consider KAJ #2 with a reasonable case above MJ.

[Rainwater]

Think history will look even more highly Lebron career post retirement. Similar to Kareem.

I think the opposite. I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time.

This is a wild take. The guy Is arguably considered the best player to play the game. There would have to be a major shift in thought process to change this.

Additionally, the guy has won titles in both the western and eastern conference. His style of play has still dominated even as the game has changed; he played in the tail end of the iso error with guys like AI, Kobe and T-Mac era and pre 3 point era and the current 3 point era. Due to his longevity we have seen three different LBJs. Young LeBron, prime LeBron, and old LeBron and all three have dominated.

[SNPA]

Think history will look even more highly Lebron career post retirement. Similar to Kareem.

I think the opposite. I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time.

Have we seen another player dominate a conference like that? Kd and giannis in the East right now.

Yes. Magic in the West while Bird was in a brawl every year.

[SNPA]

Think history will look even more highly Lebron career post retirement. Similar to Kareem.

I think the opposite. I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time.

This is a wild take. The guy Is arguably considered the best player to play the game. There would have to be a major shift in thought process to change this.

Additionally, the guy has won titles in both the western and eastern conference. His style of play has still dominated even as the game has changed as he has played in two different eras. Due to his longevity we have seen three different LBJs. Young LeBron, prime LeBron, and old LeBron and all three have dominated.

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will be subject to it just like everyone else.

GOAT is a long game.

And many don’t have James that high right now.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I think the opposite. I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time.

Have we seen another player dominate a conference like that? Kd and giannis in the East right now.

Yes. Magic in the West while Bird was in a brawl ever year.

Something that happens once or twice every 30 years pretty special right? Magic haven’t played in forever

[Rainwater]

I think the opposite. I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time.

This is a wild take. The guy Is arguably considered the best player to play the game. There would have to be a major shift in thought process to change this.

Additionally, the guy has won titles in both the western and eastern conference. His style of play has still dominated even as the game has changed as he has played in two different eras. Due to his longevity we have seen three different LBJs. Young LeBron, prime LeBron, and old LeBron and all three have dominated.

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will subject to it just like everyone else.

Of course there will be others that will be considered GOATS but there is a difference between that and saying one doesn't belong in the conversation because of their era. For example no one is saying that Jordan shouldn't belong in the conversation because that era didn't shoot threes. No great player can choose their era.

[John Murdoch]

No TJ Mconell hmmmm

[Rainwater]

I think the opposite. I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time.

This is a wild take. The guy Is arguably considered the best player to play the game. There would have to be a major shift in thought process to change this.

Additionally, the guy has won titles in both the western and eastern conference. His style of play has still dominated even as the game has changed as he has played in two different eras. Due to his longevity we have seen three different LBJs. Young LeBron, prime LeBron, and old LeBron and all three have dominated.

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will subject to it just like everyone else.

GOAT is a long game.

And many don’t have James that high right now

Lol, I don't know where you have been but MJ vs. LBJ has been in debate as GOAT for a while now. This forum, the media, podcast, barber shops, everywhere.

[SNPA]

This is a wild take. The guy Is arguably considered the best player to play the game. There would have to be a major shift in thought process to change this.

Additionally, the guy has won titles in both the western and eastern conference. His style of play has still dominated even as the game has changed as he has played in two different eras. Due to his longevity we have seen three different LBJs. Young LeBron, prime LeBron, and old LeBron and all three have dominated.

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will subject to it just like everyone else.

GOAT is a long game.

And many don’t have James that high right now

Lol, I don't know where you have been but MJ vs. LBJ has been in debate as GOAT for a while now. This forum, the media, podcast, barber shops, everywhere.

There are very serious hardcore experienced fans who don’t have James 1/2. If this is surprising it shouldn’t be. James has great skills but he is far from the perfect player, others are better in meaningful ways.

[SNPA]

This is a wild take. The guy Is arguably considered the best player to play the game. There would have to be a major shift in thought process to change this.

Additionally, the guy has won titles in both the western and eastern conference. His style of play has still dominated even as the game has changed as he has played in two different eras. Due to his longevity we have seen three different LBJs. Young LeBron, prime LeBron, and old LeBron and all three have dominated.

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will subject to it just like everyone else.

Of course there will be others that will be considered GOATS but there is a difference between that and saying one doesn't belong in the conversation because of their era. For example no one is saying that Jordan shouldn't belong in the conversation because that era didn't shoot threes. No great player can choose their era.

This takes what I wrote and stretches it beyond recognition. Of course James belongs in the conversation, my point is the conversation will evolve and I believe he’ll slide like so many before.

[Sofia]

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will subject to it just like everyone else.

GOAT is a long game.

And many don’t have James that high right now

Lol, I don't know where you have been but MJ vs. LBJ has been in debate as GOAT for a while now. This forum, the media, podcast, barber shops, everywhere.

There are very serious hardcore experienced fans who don’t have James 1/2. If this is surprising it shouldn’t be. James has great skills but he is far from the perfect player, others are better in meaningful ways.

Out of curiosity, where have you, er I mean the other serious hardcore experienced fans, got Lebron ranked?

[Rainwater]

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will subject to it just like everyone else.

GOAT is a long game.

And many don’t have James that high right now

Lol, I don't know where you have been but MJ vs. LBJ has been in debate as GOAT for a while now. This forum, the media, podcast, barber shops, everywhere.

There are very serious hardcore experienced fans who don’t have James 1/2. If this is surprising it shouldn’t be. James has great skills but he is far from the perfect player, others are better in meaningful ways.

Maybe we are saying the same thing but yes there might be some serious fans who don't have LBJ 1/2 and he is not perfect but it seems like majority of people do.

[SNPA]

Lol, I don't know where you have been but MJ vs. LBJ has been in debate as GOAT for a while now. This forum, the media, podcast, barber shops, everywhere.

There are very serious hardcore experienced fans who don’t have James 1/2. If this is surprising it shouldn’t be. James has great skills but he is far from the perfect player, others are better in meaningful ways.

Out of curiosity, where have you, er I mean the other serious hardcore experienced fans, got Lebron ranked?

If James not being a lock for top two is new info we are to far apart to have a productive conversation.

FYI I have no problem with people that have James top two. I think they are wrong but it’s not a “wild” view. I just think over time his style and limitations will cause him to slip in people’s eyes.

Lol. That’s what normally happens, not sure why that’d be a wild take. Vegas would be on my slide here.

[Rainwater]

Nothing wild about it. It’s the natural progression of things. Many guys have been considered the GOAT at the end of their run, LeBron is not the first and won’t be the last. Time has a way of sorting this out and James will subject to it just like everyone else.

Of course there will be others that will be considered GOATS but there is a difference between that and saying one doesn't belong in the conversation because of their era. For example no one is saying that Jordan shouldn't belong in the conversation because that era didn't shoot threes. No great player can choose their era.

This takes what I wrote and stretches it beyond recognition. Of course James belongs in the conversation, my point is the conversation will evolve and I believe he’ll slide like so many before.

You said "I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time" and these things are dependent on the era you play in. You typically don't slide players due to era rather because of newcomers.

[Rainwater]

There are very serious hardcore experienced fans who don’t have James 1/2. If this is surprising it shouldn’t be. James has great skills but he is far from the perfect player, others are better in meaningful ways.

Out of curiosity, where have you, er I mean the other serious hardcore experienced fans, got Lebron ranked?

If James not being a lock for top two is new info we are to far apart to have a productive conversation.

FYI I have no problem with people that have James top two. I think they are wrong but it’s not a “wild” view. I just think over time his style and limitations will cause him to slip in people’s eyes.

Lol. That’s what normally happens, not sure why that’d be a wild take. Vegas would be on my slide here.

And I think we have a little confusion here. If you don't believe LeBron is top two that is fine but when you say his style, conference and era will lower him over time I think that is wild. You are basically penalizing him for the time period he was playing in something he can't control.

[SNPA]

Of course there will be others that will be considered GOATS but there is a difference between that and saying one doesn't belong in the conversation because of their era. For example no one is saying that Jordan shouldn't belong in the conversation because that era didn't shoot threes. No great player can choose their era.

This takes what I wrote and stretches it beyond recognition. Of course James belongs in the conversation, my point is the conversation will evolve and I believe he’ll slide like so many before.

You said "I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time" and these things are dependent on the era you play in. You typically don't slide players due to era rather because of newcomers.

Style is not era dependent. Different styles work differently in different eras. I do value styles that work across eras but it’s balanced against how successful a player was in their era. I fully agree with the evaluative view that players can only play the teams/players put in front of them.

Playing in a historically weak conference effects how accomplishments are viewed. That’s the reality of it. This has been part of the Bird/Magic debate for decades. Same applies to era, stats are relative to era.

[Rainwater]

This takes what I wrote and stretches it beyond recognition. Of course James belongs in the conversation, my point is the conversation will evolve and I believe he’ll slide like so many before.

You said "I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time" and these things are dependent on the era you play in. You typically don't slide players due to era rather because of newcomers.

Style is not era dependent. Different styles work differently in different eras. I do value styles that work across eras but it’s balanced against how successful a player was in their era. I fully agree with the evaluative view that players can only play the teams/players put in front of them.

Playing in a historically weak conference effects how accomplishments are viewed. That’s the reality of it. This has been part of the Bird/Magic debate for decades. Same applies to era, stats are relative to era.

I disagree style depends on the era you played in or grew up in. I feel like a lot of guys would adjust their games to fit the era. For example, If MJ grew up in this era he would likely be shooting a lot more 3s.

I just can't hold the conf a player plays against that player, he can't control this If a guy is talented he is talented.

[SNPA]

You said "I believe his style, conference and era will lower him over time" and these things are dependent on the era you play in. You typically don't slide players due to era rather because of newcomers.

Style is not era dependent. Different styles work differently in different eras. I do value styles that work across eras but it’s balanced against how successful a player was in their era. I fully agree with the evaluative view that players can only play the teams/players put in front of them.

Playing in a historically weak conference effects how accomplishments are viewed. That’s the reality of it. This has been part of the Bird/Magic debate for decades. Same applies to era, stats are relative to era.

I disagree style depends on the era you played in or grew up in. I feel like a lot of guys would adjust their games to fit the era. For, If MJ grew up in this error he would likely be shooting a lot more 3s.

I just can't hold the conf a player plays against that player, he can't control this If a guy is talented he is talented.

I agree a player develops his style within his own era and the influences that provides. Some players are more portable though, I value that. I think the GOAT should be the GOAT when evaluating across all eras.

As for conference, post season success in James’ East vs Bird’s is not apples to apples. Not all competition is of equal quality. This isn’t controversial, James played most of his career in a weak conference. That’s what happened. It’s fact. It has to be considered in a player evaluation