PG: Team Hits Rock Bottom as Irish Refs Shank Em

[evevale]

fell asleep during halftime cause tom's offense was just so high powered and dynamic i had to spend an immense amount of mental focus to keep up.

jokes, trash.

awesome loss though. only 75 points not to mention tom looks like he's completely defeated obi like my step father completely defeated me. horrible, fat, balding creature. next season's tank couldn't come soon enough, i want to read rumors of his firing on the regular.

Lol, i'm dying. Thibs looks like Frankenstein at this point. If you glued bolts to his head he'd be spot on.

sad thing is, compared to some of the other slanderous sentences i've described the fat orc as, this was quite tame.

happy you were amused though!

[8516knicks]

I just realized as of right now we're out of the play in


We have the 2nd hardest remaining schedule too

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

So you're saying there's a chance we get a good (in terms of pick #) draft pick?

[KnixtapeH20]

i have to believe that this front office values quickley and obi (players they swung for) more than it values randle and rj (inherited players). i think the fact we sort of "had" to extend randle after his cinderella story and still got him at less-than-max says something

Lol at the end of the day you hope they do but the scary part is we really don't have the slightest **** clue about this front office. Who is running fhe show? Who is pulling the strings?

Not the slightest **** clue

The only hope is that the non-Perry Rose voices strongly disagreed with all the awful moves like Noel, Randle, Kemba and Fournier. That somebody said this is unnecessary and stupid like Brock Aller and that he was shouted down by Rose and Thibs. So when Dolan throws his temper tantrum and fires Rose and Perry, we're left with a competent front office executive.

So we should hope in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills first. That's prolly how they base decisions on anyway.

The **** trade deadline can't get here quick enough. I have no doubt we'll be left disappointed, I just wanna see what we do.

[dakomish23]

I don't get how Mitch went from blocking record machine to maybe 1 block, if ever.

Do you not see how many times a game Mitch has to defend both the penetrator and the lob/roll man?

I'm glad you brought this up bc there were multiple times during the game I made note of this.

Williams is able to be a defensive big and lob threat bc he actually has players specifically guards who can get him the ball once Mitch swarma the ball handler bc our players are terrible defenders that cant keep anyone in front of them. To add fo that Boston has talented offensive players that6can get into the paint at will. We do not.

It's very simple basketball to understand. Mitch is not "broken", he's much improved yall just don't see it bc u focus on points and blocks.

Hes the best rebounder on the team hands down. Please dont bring up silly empty stats. Hes the only one on the team that even boxes out and lets his teammates secure the rebound.

He covers for every single player on this team countless times a game and the coach can't even run a simple **** pick and roll for him.

Oh and he plays with a bull who cant even figure out how to utilize him, hed rather run into 3 defenders and make some silly shot attempt.


This season is over until Randle figures out how to play basketball and Thibs learns how to coach. Lol. Like I said this season is over.

I think they make a trade. Not even to make a playoff run, it’s to the point this can’t just continue. Obi and Randle are not working, they really need a reliable PG. As much as the Knicks are bad, they have had PG issues all season. Even when healthy the point of attack defense (Aka guard defense) has been crap. They have trade assets (Mavs, Hornets, a ton of 2023 picks), cheap contracts to add to trades (Knox, Arcidiacono, and money). It’s not ideal, but this team hasn’t looked right all season.

I think Obi is sent out before anyone, not just because he has issues with Thibs. It’s clear the team is backing Randle and Obi looks like he could improve if on another team.

If Zeke was still in charge, I’d expect an Obi / Mitch + salary filler for Turner deal

[mpharris36]

you also can't tell me all the minutes and wear and tear on these guys aren't hurting the knicks.

I know a lot of people didn't mind it last year because we were winning and the players were playing well and staying relatively healthy. But minutes eventually catch up with you.

Even just yesterday the amount of airballs late in the game was ridiculous for an NBA team...the guys were dog tired and thibs still played them to the end. Its getting ridiculous.

[DaGawd]

I hate D-Wade but you are all really disrespecting him by comparing him to RJ Barrett. Dwayne Wade is one of the 5 best shooting guards ever, and possibly one of the most athletic ever (his shot blocking and reactions were insane in his prime).

Oh I know it’s a ridiculous comparison

I’m just trying to prove an point to folks who think RJ could maybe have some untapped superstar potential somewhere inside.. it’s just not there and will never happen.. doesn’t matter if he got drafted by the spurs raptors or whoever

Comparing him to Wade is wild.

And he would definitely been better had he got drafted by the Raptors, their player development is second to none, Scottie Barnes could not shoot one bit before being drafted now look at him. I don't think some of you honestly realize how damaging to RJ's development it's been to play off of Randle and Payton, he would have been better off learning to play the last 3 years as the primary ball handler on a really bad team.

Ehhh idk admit that. Maybe it’s because I saw this type of player coming when I watched him at Duke. Never saw him as that star wing type who makes the game look easy like many of us want him to be

[nedleeds]

Realistically you see RJ getting anywhere near D Wade level in 2 seasons? I don’t…

I hate D-Wade but you are all really disrespecting him by comparing him to RJ Barrett. Dwayne Wade is one of the 5 best shooting guards ever, and possibly one of the most athletic ever (his shot blocking and reactions were insane in his prime).

Oh I know it’s a ridiculous comparison

I’m just trying to prove an point to folks who think RJ could maybe have some untapped superstar potential somewhere inside.. it’s just not there and will never happen.. doesn’t matter if he got drafted by the spurs raptors or whoever

Yeah, I don't hate RJ because he's a middling NBA athlete. I hate that we didn't get 1 pick higher. I'll hate it when we sign him to a max extension because culture and moxie and pedigree and all the usual ****.

Again, watch RJs shot attempts vs. Boston the other night or almost any night. Watch how hard he has to work to just attempt a contested shot and not get blocked. It's really not his fault. Watch those Ja highlights. That is NBA elite talent. He can finish over, around, through and by anybody in the league because he's really skilled and he's an A level NBA athlete. RJ is a D level athlete with mediocre to bad shooting and ball handling.

Name any D-level athlete SG/PG/SF who have been worth max deals in the last 15 years? Paul Pierce is the only one I can think of and he developed a legendary bag with every shot in the book and became an elite 3 point shooter. Chris Paul isn't an A athlete but his quickness and first step are A+.

[thebuzzardman]

Do you not see how many times a game Mitch has to defend both the penetrator and the lob/roll man?

I'm glad you brought this up bc there were multiple times during the game I made note of this.

Williams is able to be a defensive big and lob threat bc he actually has players specifically guards who can get him the ball once Mitch swarma the ball handler bc our players are terrible defenders that cant keep anyone in front of them. To add fo that Boston has talented offensive players that6can get into the paint at will. We do not.

It's very simple basketball to understand. Mitch is not "broken", he's much improved yall just don't see it bc u focus on points and blocks.

Hes the best rebounder on the team hands down. Please dont bring up silly empty stats. Hes the only one on the team that even boxes out and lets his teammates secure the rebound.

He covers for every single player on this team countless times a game and the coach can't even run a simple **** pick and roll for him.

Oh and he plays with a bull who cant even figure out how to utilize him, hed rather run into 3 defenders and make some silly shot attempt.


This season is over until Randle figures out how to play basketball and Thibs learns how to coach. Lol. Like I said this season is over.

I think they make a trade. Not even to make a playoff run, it’s to the point this can’t just continue. Obi and Randle are not working, they really need a reliable PG. As much as the Knicks are bad, they have had PG issues all season. Even when healthy the point of attack defense (Aka guard defense) has been crap. They have trade assets (Mavs, Hornets, a ton of 2023 picks), cheap contracts to add to trades (Knox, Arcidiacono, and money). It’s not ideal, but this team hasn’t looked right all season.

I think Obi is sent out before anyone, not just because he has issues with Thibs. It’s clear the team is backing Randle and Obi looks like he could improve if on another team.

If Zeke was still in charge, I’d expect an Obi / Mitch + salary filler for Turner deal

I bet we will.

Obi doesn't have a role on the team. This is probably a Thibs vs Rose? thing?
The FO wants to win to attract a "star" and also they know they have to placate Dolan while trying to get there.
Knicks Film School pointed out the Knicks have enough picks coming up and also a mid level exception that teams ALWAYS use, so they'll have to move a player.
They had to have known this (lol, probably - Aller wouldn't miss it) so they've been looking to go 2 for 1 somewhere.

It's shortsighted enough they'd do it or a version of it.

I'd trade Burks for a pick and clear the offseason glut that way, but hey.

[KnixtapeH20]

Talking knicks talk is **** depressing lmao

[nedleeds]

Oh I know it’s a ridiculous comparison

I’m just trying to prove an point to folks who think RJ could maybe have some untapped superstar potential somewhere inside.. it’s just not there and will never happen.. doesn’t matter if he got drafted by the spurs raptors or whoever

Comparing him to Wade is wild.

And he would definitely been better had he got drafted by the Raptors, their player development is second to none, Scottie Barnes could not shoot one bit before being drafted now look at him. I don't think some of you honestly realize how damaging to RJ's development it's been to play off of Randle and Payton, he would have been better off learning to play the last 3 years as the primary ball handler on a really bad team.

Ehhh idk admit that. Maybe it’s because I saw this type of player coming when I watched him at Duke. Never saw him as that star wing type who makes the game look easy like many of us want him to be

Scottie Barnes is 3 inches taller and has 30 lbs more muscle.

[rajajackal]

mfw the knicks end up with, you guessed it, pick number 8

[3toheadmelo]

I hate D-Wade but you are all really disrespecting him by comparing him to RJ Barrett. Dwayne Wade is one of the 5 best shooting guards ever, and possibly one of the most athletic ever (his shot blocking and reactions were insane in his prime).

Oh I know it’s a ridiculous comparison

I’m just trying to prove an point to folks who think RJ could maybe have some untapped superstar potential somewhere inside.. it’s just not there and will never happen.. doesn’t matter if he got drafted by the spurs raptors or whoever

Comparing him to Wade is wild.

And he would definitely been better had he got drafted by the Raptors, their player development is second to none, Scottie Barnes could not shoot one bit before being drafted now look at him. I don't think some of you honestly realize how damaging to RJ's development it's been to play off of Randle and Payton, he would have been better off learning to play the last 3 years as the primary ball handler on a really bad team.

Barnes plays next to Siakam who’s arguably worse than Randle though.

Barnes was compared to the likes of Ben Simmons and had similar assists to him per 36 if I remember correctly. It makes much more sense to make him the primary ball handler than for someone like RJ who has tunnel vision and isn’t a good playmaker. That’s what the Suns did with Josh Jackson and allowed him to do whatever he wanted instead of making him as a glue guy and now he’s almost out the league. So I don’t see making RJ as a primary ball handler doing anything. And if we’re being honest he does get plenty of ball handling opportunities here too. He has the second highest usage on the team and second most shot attempts. If anything he needs a lesser role because he clearly can’t handle the load he’s given right now

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I just realized as of right now we're out of the play in


We have the 2nd hardest remaining schedule too

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

So you're saying there's a chance we get a good (in terms of pick #) draft pick?

Nets 3x more, Heat 3x, Grizz 2x, Jazz 2x, Sixers 2x, Cavs 2x, Hornets 3x, Bucks, Suns, Warriors 1x each, Wiz 2x, Lakers 2x.


Looking good!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Oh I know it’s a ridiculous comparison

I’m just trying to prove an point to folks who think RJ could maybe have some untapped superstar potential somewhere inside.. it’s just not there and will never happen.. doesn’t matter if he got drafted by the spurs raptors or whoever

Comparing him to Wade is wild.

And he would definitely been better had he got drafted by the Raptors, their player development is second to none, Scottie Barnes could not shoot one bit before being drafted now look at him. I don't think some of you honestly realize how damaging to RJ's development it's been to play off of Randle and Payton, he would have been better off learning to play the last 3 years as the primary ball handler on a really bad team.

Barnes plays next to Siakam who’s arguably worse than Randle though.

Barnes was compared to the likes of Ben Simmons and had similar assists to him per 36 if I remember correctly. It makes much more sense to make him the primary ball handler than for someone like RJ who has tunnel vision and isn’t a good playmaker. That’s what the Suns did with Josh Jackson and allowed him to do whatever he wanted instead of making him as a glue guy and now he’s almost out the league. So I don’t see making RJ as a primary ball handler doing anything. And if we’re being honest he does get plenty of ball handling opportunities here too. He has the second highest usage on the team and second most shot attempts. If anything he needs a lesser role because he clearly can’t handle the load he’s given right now

Siakam has the ball slightly less than Barnes on the season, they are using Barnes as their PG in the 2nd unit, they've empowered him to be that. And FVV has the ball more than both of them, because he's a PG, our team is flawed because Randle has the ball more than anyone else, he dominates the ball to such a degree that even our PGs have it less than him. The only other team with a PF that has the ball nearly as much as Randle are the Pacers, their offense is just as trash as ours, and even then Brogdon still has it more than Sabonis. No other team lets their PF play PG like we do, none.

The moral of the story is you do not let a non generational PF handle the ball like he's your PG, bad things will happen.

[Gravy]

I just realized as of right now we're out of the play in


We have the 2nd hardest remaining schedule too

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

Covid has made strength of schedule mostly meaningless this season. Although losing and getting a higher pick is not necessarily a bad thing now simply because we dont have a pg to be a big factor in the playoffs.

[TheGreenArrow]

Hindsight is 20/20 but we’d be infinitely better now and in the long term if this is how Leon and co went with Kenny Atkinson over thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here comes the Kenny bullsh*t again.

The team sucks because it's talent sucks, which is the result of mediocre drafting at best, but arguably edging into bad because of blowing it with Obi vs Haliburton, and sh*tty pro player scouting/team building which results in this mismatched mess of mediocre vets.

Bringing in nice hair Kenny wouldn't have changed jack sh*t.

Rj,obi,iq,Mitch,Knox would all be infinitely better players than they are today with Atkinson as coach instead of thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s not bs that’s just Facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Hindsight is 20/20 but we’d be infinitely better now and in the long term if this is how Leon and co went with Kenny Atkinson over thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here comes the Kenny bullsh*t again.

The team sucks because it's talent sucks, which is the result of mediocre drafting at best, but arguably edging into bad because of blowing it with Obi vs Haliburton, and sh*tty pro player scouting/team building which results in this mismatched mess of mediocre vets.

Bringing in nice hair Kenny wouldn't have changed jack sh*t.

Rj,obi,iq,Mitch,Knox would all be infinitely better players than they are today with Atkinson as coach instead of thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s not bs that’s just Facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, it's your opinion with lots of exclamation marks.

These guys are who they are. Maybe Obi, but he'd be better under any other coach.

[whocares1]

you also can't tell me all the minutes and wear and tear on these guys aren't hurting the knicks.

I know a lot of people didn't mind it last year because we were winning and the players were playing well and staying relatively healthy. But minutes eventually catch up with you.

Even just yesterday the amount of airballs late in the game was ridiculous for an NBA team...the guys were dog tired and thibs still played them to the end. Its getting ridiculous.

I mean I was watching the Celtics broadcast and they were mentioning how tired Julius looked but as fans what can we really do? Thibs hasn’t changed and the FO is married to him. Unless the players say something there’s nothing that can be done.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He has the ball for a longer time of possession than the 3 best scoring bigs in the league. It got cut off, but he also dribbles the ball more than them too.

Any PG we get in the future is going to run into the problem of Randle trying to run the offense.

[mpharris36]

you also can't tell me all the minutes and wear and tear on these guys aren't hurting the knicks.

I know a lot of people didn't mind it last year because we were winning and the players were playing well and staying relatively healthy. But minutes eventually catch up with you.

Even just yesterday the amount of airballs late in the game was ridiculous for an NBA team...the guys were dog tired and thibs still played them to the end. Its getting ridiculous.

I mean I was watching the Celtics broadcast and they were mentioning how tired Julius looked but as fans what can we really do? Thibs hasn’t changed and the FO is married to him. Unless the players say something there’s nothing that can be done.

I agree, not much we can do. But when so many said we can't question thibs because he is the COY. The way he coaches simply isn't sustainable in todays NBA. The pace of the game is completely different it was 10-20 years ago.

You need to trust benches and the Knicks for the most part have a decent bench. COVID and Injuries have hit and bad play from there best players..but we need to be honest...thibs has had an atrocious year as well.