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[jakecronus8]

Only guy in the conversation is Potsie but I still don’t think it’s close because of the expectations of a top 2 pick vs those of a mid lotto guy.

The Jabari draft was an epically bad one by the Bucks. Not just passing on Embiid for Parker, but whiffing on all the second round picks miserably. We picked Damien Inglis AND Johnny O’Bryant ahead of MVP Jokic, Jerami Grant, Dinwiddie, Clarkson. Joe Harris and Dwight Powell also in that second round.

The terrible part of the 2nd round was we ran a high post offense that required a passing center, yet we passed on Jokic twice. It was a crushing night all around, because Parker never looked like a winning player. Never would have guessed that, years later that night would both prove to be a disaster, and would be inconsequential as we'd still have a budding dynasty.

*raises hand RE: Parker

Dude was the Jadeveon Clowney of his time. A good deal of his hype was based off of one highlight play, but regardless I think many here saw the red flags with Jabari. The biggest shocker though was the fact that his character turned out to be garbage. In hindsight I suppose we could’ve seen that coming too given that he was the son of an nba player and insulated by people old and young telling him he was the greatest thing since pretzeled bread, but at the time he was at least saying all the right things and flashed a million dollar smile.

I must also eat crow in that I didn’t want the injury risk of Embiid and it was Wiggins, Exum or bust for me.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Jabari draft was an epically bad one by the Bucks. Not just passing on Embiid for Parker, but whiffing on all the second round picks miserably. We picked Damien Inglis AND Johnny O’Bryant ahead of MVP Jokic, Jerami Grant, Dinwiddie, Clarkson. Joe Harris and Dwight Powell also in that second round.

The terrible part of the 2nd round was we ran a high post offense that required a passing center, yet we passed on Jokic twice. It was a crushing night all around, because Parker never looked like a winning player. Never would have guessed that, years later that night would both prove to be a disaster, and would be inconsequential as we'd still have a budding dynasty.

*raises hand RE: Parker

Dude was the Jadeveon Clowney of his time. A good deal of his hype was based off of one highlight play, but regardless I think many here saw the red flags with Jabari. The biggest shocker though was the fact that his character turned out to be garbage. In hindsight I suppose we could’ve seen that coming too given that he was the son of an nba player and insulated by people old and young telling him he was the greatest thing since pretzeled bread, but at the time he was at least saying all the right things and flashed a million dollar smile.

I must also eat crow in that I didn’t want the injury risk of Embiid and it was Wiggins, Exum or bust for me.

Embiid is fools gold too. I too wanted to move down and take Exum. It would have been nice to get something for Parker in trade, but we did well by simply not getting stuck with a big ugly contract.

[AussieBuck]

Galloway still seems to be an NBA player, which is nice.

[emunney]

Galloway still seems to be an NBA player, which is nice.

It's nice to have guys who understand the simple things they're supposed to be doing and try their best to do them.

[MickeyDavis]

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[giannis and 1]

I'm just saying that if trying to find his watch is the problem, maybe we're looking too hard for a problem. Of course, you can do the most benign thing like a total **** and maybe that's what happened.

It sounds to me like he thought someone took his watch and someone DID take his watch.

Personally, that story doesn't sound believable. Just based on how dumb it makes Boogie seem to start accusing his own teammates of stealing his watch.

Now if it's actually true, exactly how Voodo described it....

My guess is, Boogie has some underlying mental issues. Not that this is why they cut him... it was evident before they signed him... The rumor is, Bucks are trying not to handcuff themselves incase a superior talent is available come buyout season.
Boogie liked it here and interest seems to be mutual. Guessing they will reach an agreement after
some other moves are made. As far as the watch thing... I am guessing it wasn't a timex ..Boogie made some bank in his time playing. He doesn't know the players all that well, so why wouldn't he suspect them? They are the ones who have access to the area where his belongings are. Also, if you are certain you had your watch that day, and it turns up in your locker. Watches, wallets, phones... These are thinks you usually notice when they go missing.
Not saying he didn't have a brain fart, but I could see one being suspicious if they were confident about having it.

It makes no sense to start blaming your teammates. You really think one of your own teammates is going to steal your watch? There are only two possiblities here: either it's a prank, or you misplaced it. There is almost no chance that one of your teammates stole your watch; so you should respond with that assumption.

Only after it is evident that one of your teammates (or someone else) stole your watch, do you act like that and make a big deal out of it.

[giannis and 1]

It's one thing to act like a bully/d bag on the court against your opponents, but another thing to do the same with your teammates. And I actually like the former.

[flaco]

I think we could have a use for one more ball handler. At the very least, we desperately needed a heady ball handler/facilitator last night. Middleton and Giannis can provide secondary playmaking, but they cannot consistently run the offense in the half court.

My target would be Satoransky via the buyout market. I think he'd be a great fit on the Bucks. He's a willing passer and a reliable ball handler. He can play on or off the ball. He can shoot the 3. He's a switchable defender. Unfortunately, his efficiency has fallen off a cliff this season. That said, he's been a reliable shooter throughout his career. I highly doubt he suddenly forgot how to shoot. Hopefully, he just needs a fresh start. I mean, he's playing for a dysfunctional team. With all due respect, the Pels seem like a travelling circus rather than a competitive NBA team.

[LuessiT]

I think we could have a use for one more ball handler. At the very least, we desperately needed a heady ball handler/facilitator last night. Middleton and Giannis can provide secondary playmaking, but they cannot consistently run the offense in the half court.

With Jrue, Hill and Donte we had 3 ball handlers out. We really don't need one once everyone is healthy.

[LuessiT]

Like I'm all for bringing in good basketball players and if they're ball handlers on top then great. But the mischaracterization that we need a ball handler is what lead to DJA and compared to that time we have Hill too.

[JEIS]

Personally, that story doesn't sound believable. Just based on how dumb it makes Boogie seem to start accusing his own teammates of stealing his watch.

Now if it's actually true, exactly how Voodo described it....

My guess is, Boogie has some underlying mental issues. Not that this is why they cut him... it was evident before they signed him... The rumor is, Bucks are trying not to handcuff themselves incase a superior talent is available come buyout season.
Boogie liked it here and interest seems to be mutual. Guessing they will reach an agreement after
some other moves are made. As far as the watch thing... I am guessing it wasn't a timex ..Boogie made some bank in his time playing. He doesn't know the players all that well, so why wouldn't he suspect them? They are the ones who have access to the area where his belongings are. Also, if you are certain you had your watch that day, and it turns up in your locker. Watches, wallets, phones... These are thinks you usually notice when they go missing.
Not saying he didn't have a brain fart, but I could see one being suspicious if they were confident about having it.

It makes no sense to start blaming your teammates. You really think one of your own teammates is going to steal your watch? There are only two possiblities here: either it's a prank, or you misplaced it. There is almost no chance that one of your teammates stole your watch; so you should respond with that assumption.

Only after it is evident that one of your teammates (or someone else) stole your watch, do you act like that and make a big deal out of it.

It makes more sense when the people in your life that you thought you could trust, were some of the ones who did you the dirtiest. Why trust people you met for two weeks?, if you were let down by people you have known you entire life. I have had co-workers get taken out in hand cuffs for stealing from the company, co-workers that eat others lunches. NBA players are regular people with more money. They are not the moral high ground for our human species. There are a lot of egregious things that they do.

His watch could have been worth more than some of these guys yearly salaries... It could have had extreme sentimental value. Did he think Jrue, Giannis or Kris stole it?, likely not. Someone who likely couldn't afford it, or have more opportunistic tendencies. It is difficult to form trust with all players on a team in a couple weeks.To sweepingly believe because they are your teammates, they are above stealing from you seem silly. The feeling of being stolen from is rage promoting. Stealing from someone is an ultimate form of disrespect.

[nagawicka]

My guess is, Boogie has some underlying mental issues. Not that this is why they cut him... it was evident before they signed him... The rumor is, Bucks are trying not to handcuff themselves incase a superior talent is available come buyout season.
Boogie liked it here and interest seems to be mutual. Guessing they will reach an agreement after
some other moves are made. As far as the watch thing... I am guessing it wasn't a timex ..Boogie made some bank in his time playing. He doesn't know the players all that well, so why wouldn't he suspect them? They are the ones who have access to the area where his belongings are. Also, if you are certain you had your watch that day, and it turns up in your locker. Watches, wallets, phones... These are thinks you usually notice when they go missing.
Not saying he didn't have a brain fart, but I could see one being suspicious if they were confident about having it.

It makes no sense to start blaming your teammates. You really think one of your own teammates is going to steal your watch? There are only two possiblities here: either it's a prank, or you misplaced it. There is almost no chance that one of your teammates stole your watch; so you should respond with that assumption.

Only after it is evident that one of your teammates (or someone else) stole your watch, do you act like that and make a big deal out of it.

It makes more sense when the people in your life that you thought you could trust, were some of the ones who did you the dirtiest. Why trust people you met for two weeks?, if you were let down by people you have known you entire life. I have had co-workers get taken out in hand cuffs for stealing from the company, co-workers that eat others lunches. NBA players are regular people with more money. They are not the moral high ground for our human species. There are a lot of egregious things that they do.

His watch could have been worth more than some of these guys yearly salaries... It could have had extreme sentimental value. Did he think Jrue, Giannis or Kris stole it?, likely not. Someone who likely couldn't afford it, or have more opportunistic tendencies. It is difficult to form trust with all players on a team in a couple weeks.To sweepingly believe because they are your teammates, they are above stealing from you seem silly. The feeling of being stolen from is rage promoting. Stealing from someone is an ultimate form of disrespect.

Yet no one did.
No one needed the money, every incentive's there to build and maintain trust; two real good reasons to not suspect bad acts from people nearby that don't matter because: no one did.

[nagawicka]

I think we could have a use for one more ball handler. At the very least, we desperately needed a heady ball handler/facilitator last night. Middleton and Giannis can provide secondary playmaking, but they cannot consistently run the offense in the half court.

My target would be Satoransky via the buyout market. I think he'd be a great fit on the Bucks. He's a willing passer and a reliable ball handler. He can play on or off the ball. He can shoot the 3. He's a switchable defender. Unfortunately, his efficiency has fallen off a cliff this season. That said, he's been a reliable shooter throughout his career. I highly doubt he suddenly forgot how to shoot. Hopefully, he just needs a fresh start. I mean, he's playing for a dysfunctional team. With all due respect, the Pels seem like a travelling circus rather than a competitive NBA team.

Which is why it made no sense to dump Justin Robinson. Incredibly bad ball control and ball-handling last year and in this game is a huge liability. That's with Midds and Jru and Giannis on the floor and sloppily losing the ball 8 ways from Sunday. Don't care if you;d rather have J Smart, or Galloway, or don't think Robinson is good enough. As a true point guard, he was there to solve ball-handling problems, and he did that. We're far better off with Robinson as a true point guard to spell Hill and Jru than than w/G 'playing point guard', not running plays, and losing the ball eighteenhundred times in a row. You just saw what happens when the other team plays y'know basketball when the Bucks are w/o a real point guard.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think we could have a use for one more ball handler. At the very least, we desperately needed a heady ball handler/facilitator last night. Middleton and Giannis can provide secondary playmaking, but they cannot consistently run the offense in the half court.

My target would be Satoransky via the buyout market. I think he'd be a great fit on the Bucks. He's a willing passer and a reliable ball handler. He can play on or off the ball. He can shoot the 3. He's a switchable defender. Unfortunately, his efficiency has fallen off a cliff this season. That said, he's been a reliable shooter throughout his career. I highly doubt he suddenly forgot how to shoot. Hopefully, he just needs a fresh start. I mean, he's playing for a dysfunctional team. With all due respect, the Pels seem like a travelling circus rather than a competitive NBA team.

Which is why it made no sense to dump Justin Robinson. Incredibly bad ball control and ball-handling last year and in this game is a huge liability. That's with Midds and Jru and Giannis on the floor and sloppily losing the ball 8 ways from Sunday. Don't care if you;d rather have J Smart, or Galloway, or don't think Robinson is good enough. As a true point guard, he was there to solve ball-handling problems, and he did that. We're far better off with Robinson as a true point guard to spell Hill and Jru than than w/G 'playing point guard', not running plays, and losing the ball eighteenhundred times in a row. You just saw what happens when the other team plays y'know basketball when the Bucks are w/o a real point guard.

We had a bunch of guys shoot terrible. Part of that is normal on a back to back, and part of that is we didn't create quality shots. Robinson doesn't create offense, he has a terrible assist rate for a PG. He's also terrible in every other area. 3.9 PER, 40 TS%. He's not even a good G League player.

I don't know what the plan is when all your guards get Covid, but it isn't Justin Robinson.

[flaco]

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Turns out it's Brooklyn's 2022 second-round pick. We are probably talking about a pick in the late 50s. I'm curious to see what Bol Bol will do with some minutes. He can protect the rim, plus he can shoot the 3. I guess he would have been a decent fit on the Bucks. Oh well. Bamba is better.

[JEIS]

Tako would be a fun pick up.

[LuessiT]

Tako would be a fun pick up.

Just having the option in the playoffs to put him on the inbounder seems worth it. That's probably more impact than Smart has for a championship run.

[giannis and 1]

My guess is, Boogie has some underlying mental issues. Not that this is why they cut him... it was evident before they signed him... The rumor is, Bucks are trying not to handcuff themselves incase a superior talent is available come buyout season.
Boogie liked it here and interest seems to be mutual. Guessing they will reach an agreement after
some other moves are made. As far as the watch thing... I am guessing it wasn't a timex ..Boogie made some bank in his time playing. He doesn't know the players all that well, so why wouldn't he suspect them? They are the ones who have access to the area where his belongings are. Also, if you are certain you had your watch that day, and it turns up in your locker. Watches, wallets, phones... These are thinks you usually notice when they go missing.
Not saying he didn't have a brain fart, but I could see one being suspicious if they were confident about having it.

It makes no sense to start blaming your teammates. You really think one of your own teammates is going to steal your watch? There are only two possiblities here: either it's a prank, or you misplaced it. There is almost no chance that one of your teammates stole your watch; so you should respond with that assumption.

Only after it is evident that one of your teammates (or someone else) stole your watch, do you act like that and make a big deal out of it.

It makes more sense when the people in your life that you thought you could trust, were some of the ones who did you the dirtiest. Why trust people you met for two weeks?, if you were let down by people you have known you entire life. I have had co-workers get taken out in hand cuffs for stealing from the company, co-workers that eat others lunches. NBA players are regular people with more money. They are not the moral high ground for our human species. There are a lot of egregious things that they do.

His watch could have been worth more than some of these guys yearly salaries... It could have had extreme sentimental value. Did he think Jrue, Giannis or Kris stole it?, likely not. Someone who likely couldn't afford it, or have more opportunistic tendencies. It is difficult to form trust with all players on a team in a couple weeks.To sweepingly believe because they are your teammates, they are above stealing from you seem silly. The feeling of being stolen from is rage promoting. Stealing from someone is an ultimate form of disrespect.

Okay, this "rage" can come after it is proven that one of your teammates actually stole from you. I'm sorry, but showing any kind of anger/agitation until there is proof that one of your teammates stole from you is just ridiculous.

[DrWood]

Jabari is the second biggest Bucks bust behind Kent Benson, quit on his team during a playoff series that they lost in 7 and there’s still people on this board pining for him.

Never change, Realgm.

not close
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/draft.html

Only guy in the conversation is Potsie but I still don’t think it’s close because of the expectations of a top 2 pick vs those of a mid lotto guy.

Jabari scored 20 points a game with decent efficiency.
Then got injured twice.
There are a lot of overall #1 and #2 picks that did much worse and injury wasn't implicated.

[Fotis St]

I would consider bringing Sam Merrill / Forbes back
him and Kornet can stretch the floor for Giannis when he plays some minutes with the backups.


I have zero confidence on Hill & Wes come playoffs. They are roasted physically and not reliable shooters, I mean we saw them in the bubble when all matters they were disapponting.

I don't understand why we brought them back.
Comparing Forbes and PJ contribution and Hill & Wes .... why on earth we got the incompetent duo back.

I would say yes to Satoransky too. He is better than Hill.
So glad we got Kornet... he can be Portis 2.0