Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We will see on Herro, I hope he becomes great. Hell based on your alls comments though we can trade him this second for Luka, Jokic, KD, Giannis, Embiid, or Steph so wtf are we waiting for lol?!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Some of you clearly have no idea of the value Herro would have around the league. Boston would send out Brown without a second thought. They would do anything to have a guard that can create and people in here talking about adding picks? Brown still relies a lot on shots being created for him. He scores within the flow of the game but all those bailout passes we toss to Herro with time running out? Brown's not that guy. There's nothing a Beal or Booker does that he can't, especially taking age into account. Out of all the names mentioned, Mitchell is the only one I'm trading him for. If Herro was on another team we would be coming up with all sorts of wild scenarios to get him. How is trading him for dudes that have near complete freedom with similar production on worse teams make sense?

Herro is off limits to anybody who is not offering up a top 10 player. This kid is only going to improve. His crap shooting nights are the result of the defenses throwing him different looks he hasn't seen. Once he has seen and learned how to play all the different looks defenses giving him his shooting numbers will be more constant and those bad shooting nights will get less often.

Booker has been in the league 7 years now, and Herro is not that far off. I think he can reach Booker's level in year 5.

Patience will be rewarded folks.

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Now nobody saying he'll be the 2nd best SG in NBA history but the kid is putting up some good numbers. Again, all players go on bad stretches. We don't trade them each time they do. It looks to me we're giving him freedom on offence to kinda fast track his development - Any player this young early in his career bound to make mistakes in this situation, that's just part of the process. He'll learn from them & only become better, stronger & smarter. Spo's not punishing it, which supports the idea we're developing the heck out of Tyler. This is a very positive thing.

People don't just have any clear idea of his value but through the bad stretch have decided to under-appreciate him (total opposite opinion before that stretch). People don't know what we have. Herro is a very talented & skilled player. Look at his footwork, his shooting technique, the way he executes moves - this is a kid who works hard on sharpening his craft. He has the making to be a prolific scorer we've been looking for and at such a young age. The kid is valuable! I agree that the Heat organisation will not move Herro unless for a top 10 player or somebody of that calibre.

Appreciate what you have. The kid may well be a very special player. I'm not willing to find that out w/ him wearing another jersey.

Herro has higher usage, FGA, and is a far worse defender than year 3 Kobe.

Herro in his age 22 season: 21-5-4-.5-0 bad defender

Kobe in his age 22 season: 29-6-5-2-.5 elite defender and 2nd championship.

Kobe in the playoffs that season: 30-7-6-2-1

They are not the same in any way lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m starting to think If we could bring back rookie Wade and insert him on this team for Herro you all wouldn’t do it.

[AirP.]

Player A:
22/3/3 on 53% TS (96 TS+) with 42/36/83 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .035 WS/48, -1.9 BPM

Player B:
17/4/3 on 51% TS (94 TS+) with 42/40/79 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .076 WS/48, -0.4 BPM

Player C:
21/5/4 on 54% TS (96 TS+) with 43/39/87 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .060 WS/48, -0.5 BPM


Most probably realize that Player C is Herro this year after his first actual offseason in the NBA, so what I consider to be essentially the equivalent of a 2nd year under normal circumstances. Player A is 2nd year Devin Booker, Player B is 2nd year Bradley Beal. All of their advanced stats are bad, but that's the nature of coming into the NBA with this player profile of volume scoring 2 guard. It's a very difficult role to come in and be efficient at early on. Beal's #s look the best here by a slight margin over Herro -- in no small part because he wasn't tasked with the volume of Herro or Booker -- but it still took Beal until year 5 to finally break out as a future allstar; he had yet to eclipse a 103 ORTG, .085 WS/48 or 0.3 BPM prior to that

These scoring 2s need a few years to get acclimated because scoring efficiently is the single most difficult thing to do in the NBA. Now if your argument for moving Herro is to better fit Yimmy/Lowry's timeline then that's reasonable, however you better damn well make sure you're getting a legit 2022 allstar caliber player in return who's ready to step in and push you into top 3 title favorite territory. Not that I'm saying they're available as trade targets, but guys still in their prime like what Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday were for Milwaukee last season. I'd even settle for a guy on the cusp of his prime like Jaylen Brown, but giving up on Herro would require this level of return in order for this irrelevant Heat fan to be on board

Wait... you're comparing starters who have to go against the best players of the other team to a guy who comes off the bench and sees more bench talent on the court?



If you look at his starter numbers his ORTG drops down to 95 and his DRTG goes up to 114, for a -19, off the bench he's 106 ORTG and a 110 DRTG for only a -4. If you look at his TS% oh my... .472 as a starter and .565 as a reserve (which is solid).

If he were starting each game and was anywhere near his current .472 TS% as a starter, out of 187 qualified players there would only be 7 players below his TS%.

[Hallstar]

Player A:
22/3/3 on 53% TS (96 TS+) with 42/36/83 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .035 WS/48, -1.9 BPM

Player B:
17/4/3 on 51% TS (94 TS+) with 42/40/79 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .076 WS/48, -0.4 BPM

Player C:
21/5/4 on 54% TS (96 TS+) with 43/39/87 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .060 WS/48, -0.5 BPM


Most probably realize that Player C is Herro this year after his first actual offseason in the NBA, so what I consider to be essentially the equivalent of a 2nd year under normal circumstances. Player A is 2nd year Devin Booker, Player B is 2nd year Bradley Beal. All of their advanced stats are bad, but that's the nature of coming into the NBA with this player profile of volume scoring 2 guard. It's a very difficult role to come in and be efficient at early on. Beal's #s look the best here by a slight margin over Herro -- in no small part because he wasn't tasked with the volume of Herro or Booker -- but it still took Beal until year 5 to finally break out as a future allstar; he had yet to eclipse a 103 ORTG, .085 WS/48 or 0.3 BPM prior to that

These scoring 2s need a few years to get acclimated because scoring efficiently is the single most difficult thing to do in the NBA. Now if your argument for moving Herro is to better fit Yimmy/Lowry's timeline then that's reasonable, however you better damn well make sure you're getting a legit 2022 allstar caliber player in return who's ready to step in and push you into top 3 title favorite territory. Not that I'm saying they're available as trade targets, but guys still in their prime like what Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday were for Milwaukee last season. I'd even settle for a guy on the cusp of his prime like Jaylen Brown, but giving up on Herro would require this level of return in order for this irrelevant Heat fan to be on board

Wait... you're comparing starters who have to go against the best players of the other team to a guy who comes off the bench and sees more bench talent on the court?



If you look at his starter numbers his ORTG drops down to 95 and his DRTG goes up to 114, for a -19, off the bench he's 106 ORTG and a 110 DRTG for only a -4. If you look at his TS% oh my... .472 as a starter and .565 as a reserve (which is solid).

If he were starting each game and was anywhere near his current .472 TS% as a starter, out of 187 qualified players there would only be 7 players below his TS%.

Herro is playing over 30+ mpg don't use that bs bench players argument.

[Hallstar]

I’m starting to think If we could bring back rookie Wade and insert him on this team for Herro you all wouldn’t do it.

We would be trying to trade Wade

[Flash4thewin]

Player A:
22/3/3 on 53% TS (96 TS+) with 42/36/83 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .035 WS/48, -1.9 BPM

Player B:
17/4/3 on 51% TS (94 TS+) with 42/40/79 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .076 WS/48, -0.4 BPM

Player C:
21/5/4 on 54% TS (96 TS+) with 43/39/87 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .060 WS/48, -0.5 BPM


Most probably realize that Player C is Herro this year after his first actual offseason in the NBA, so what I consider to be essentially the equivalent of a 2nd year under normal circumstances. Player A is 2nd year Devin Booker, Player B is 2nd year Bradley Beal. All of their advanced stats are bad, but that's the nature of coming into the NBA with this player profile of volume scoring 2 guard. It's a very difficult role to come in and be efficient at early on. Beal's #s look the best here by a slight margin over Herro -- in no small part because he wasn't tasked with the volume of Herro or Booker -- but it still took Beal until year 5 to finally break out as a future allstar; he had yet to eclipse a 103 ORTG, .085 WS/48 or 0.3 BPM prior to that

These scoring 2s need a few years to get acclimated because scoring efficiently is the single most difficult thing to do in the NBA. Now if your argument for moving Herro is to better fit Yimmy/Lowry's timeline then that's reasonable, however you better damn well make sure you're getting a legit 2022 allstar caliber player in return who's ready to step in and push you into top 3 title favorite territory. Not that I'm saying they're available as trade targets, but guys still in their prime like what Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday were for Milwaukee last season. I'd even settle for a guy on the cusp of his prime like Jaylen Brown, but giving up on Herro would require this level of return in order for this irrelevant Heat fan to be on board

In theory would demar derozan count? Granted the time to get him has long passed.

[carnageta]

This team resembles the 96 bulls.

Jimmy Butler is Scottie Pippen
Tyler Herro is Michael Jordan
Omer Yurtseven is Dennis Rodman.

It's a lock.

[wadenation305]

Dude WTF, The pistons got Bol Bol for Mcgruder and a second round pick. Why the phuck didn't we jump on this?

[twix2500]

Last night was probably the most important win of the season so far. To get a win versus an elite team on this stretch and while trying to by time for Bam and Jimmy return.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m starting to think If we could bring back rookie Wade and insert him on this team for Herro you all wouldn’t do it.

We would be trying to trade Wade

Lmao!! Nah we’d notice an elite 2 way player who instantly impacts winning and could’ve been the go to player on a championship team in only his 2nd year.

Would you trade Herro for any of Anthony Edwards, Lamelo, Ja, Mobley?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dude WTF, The pistons got Bol Bol for Mcgruder and a second round pick. Why the phuck didn't we jump on this?

We chose KZ over Bol Bol in the draft, Riley would he admitting he was wrong lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This team resembles the 96 bulls.

Jimmy Butler is Scottie Pippen
Tyler Herro is Michael Jordan
Omer Yurtseven is Dennis Rodman.

It's a lock.

Haha! In all seriousness though it reminds me of a deeper, more too heavy 2019 Raptors.

Lowry is Lowry
Herro is FVV
Jimmy is Kawhi
Bam is Siakam
Tucker is Gasol

Kawhi slightly better than Jimmy (maybe idk). Bam much better than Siakam

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Player A:
22/3/3 on 53% TS (96 TS+) with 42/36/83 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .035 WS/48, -1.9 BPM

Player B:
17/4/3 on 51% TS (94 TS+) with 42/40/79 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .076 WS/48, -0.4 BPM

Player C:
21/5/4 on 54% TS (96 TS+) with 43/39/87 shooting splits, 103 ORTG, .060 WS/48, -0.5 BPM


Most probably realize that Player C is Herro this year after his first actual offseason in the NBA, so what I consider to be essentially the equivalent of a 2nd year under normal circumstances. Player A is 2nd year Devin Booker, Player B is 2nd year Bradley Beal. All of their advanced stats are bad, but that's the nature of coming into the NBA with this player profile of volume scoring 2 guard. It's a very difficult role to come in and be efficient at early on. Beal's #s look the best here by a slight margin over Herro -- in no small part because he wasn't tasked with the volume of Herro or Booker -- but it still took Beal until year 5 to finally break out as a future allstar; he had yet to eclipse a 103 ORTG, .085 WS/48 or 0.3 BPM prior to that

These scoring 2s need a few years to get acclimated because scoring efficiently is the single most difficult thing to do in the NBA. Now if your argument for moving Herro is to better fit Yimmy/Lowry's timeline then that's reasonable, however you better damn well make sure you're getting a legit 2022 allstar caliber player in return who's ready to step in and push you into top 3 title favorite territory. Not that I'm saying they're available as trade targets, but guys still in their prime like what Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday were for Milwaukee last season. I'd even settle for a guy on the cusp of his prime like Jaylen Brown, but giving up on Herro would require this level of return in order for this irrelevant Heat fan to be on board

Wait... you're comparing starters who have to go against the best players of the other team to a guy who comes off the bench and sees more bench talent on the court?



If you look at his starter numbers his ORTG drops down to 95 and his DRTG goes up to 114, for a -19, off the bench he's 106 ORTG and a 110 DRTG for only a -4. If you look at his TS% oh my... .472 as a starter and .565 as a reserve (which is solid).

If he were starting each game and was anywhere near his current .472 TS% as a starter, out of 187 qualified players there would only be 7 players below his TS%.

Herro is playing over 30+ mpg don't use that bs bench players argument.

Looks at Herros shooting numbers coming off the bench compared to starting. He shoots 37% as a starter….

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If y’all are going to Stan for a player the way you are for Herro it needs to be Bam who is a far better player with a far higher ceiling.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You guys don’t back any of the Herro nonsense with numbers but when the numbers are given to you you get real quiet for a few games until he has a good one.

[Wiltside]

For whatever reason, Herro is a lightning rod for criticism and praise. The truth, to me atleast, lies somewhere in the middle.

I think BenoUdrihFTL said it best when comparing him to other young SG's in the past - reality is, the role is an inefficient one, particularly when dealing with growing pains, increased defensive attention and increased responsibilities. I think he's had a good year and shown some growth in many parts of his game. He's struggled of late prior to the Suns big game, but keep in mind that he's essentially our #1 option at present.

He isn't Luka or Trae. I don't think he's that calibre of player. But he can be an All-Star level 2 guard - albeit he will always likely have defensive limitations (like both Luka and Trae do too).

[twix2500]

So the Heat have finished their 5th week since Bam's surgery, week 6 starts tomorrow. Sitting at an excellent position at 25-15, ten games above 500. Way above my expectations when Bam got hurt. No news about him working out with team so I think we still got at the min another two weeks. But we can honestly start the Bam return news watch next monday.

[twix2500]

Up coming schedule for this month.

Wed, Jan 12 - @ Atlanta

Fri, Jan 14 - vs Atlanta

Sat, Jan 15 - vs Philadelphia

Mon, Jan 17 - vs Toronto

Wed, Jan 19 - vs Portland

Fri, Jan 21 - @ Atlanta

Sun, Jan 23 - vs Los Angeles

Wed, Jan 26 - vs New York

Fri, Jan 28 - vs LA

Sat, Jan 29 - vs Toronto

Mon, Jan 31 - @ Boston

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So the Heat have finished their 5th week since Bam's surgery, week 6 starts tomorrow. Sitting at an excellent position at 25-15, ten games above 500. Way above my expectations when Bam got hurt. No news about him working out with team so I think we still got at the min another two weeks. But we can honestly start the Bam return news watch next monday.

I’m hoping Friday for him and Dipo