Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Andrew McCeltic]

It’s harder to leave the middle than the bottom or the top. Portland took a shot - they thought a healthy Zach Collins was going to be a player, he missed too much development time, they hoped Simons would become a star, he hasn’t, but they’ve always been able to get some nice rotation pickups at the deadline, a healthy Nurkic was a difference maker, they had a knack for getting Covington, Nance, Rodney Hood types. They were always one lucky break away until it was too late.

Milwaukee had horrible luck with Jabari’s injuries, but they lucked into George Hill a few years ago, they lucked into Jrue, Brook Lopez was a huge find for them, and they got lucky not only landing Portis but being able to re-up him after a year.

Notice they didn’t trade Giannis.

Disagree that they lucked into Jrue, they paid top dollar, and we should have outbid them.

Jrue and Hali were too huge misses imo

It’s luck that Jrue was even on the table for a ton of picks - NOP could’ve gone after a very different return. And everyone has picks, it was luck that picks from a probable conference finals perennial were the offer New Orleans wanted. Was no one else matching that bid?

[zimpy27]

I really like Haliburton for this team.. He's a smooth/calm operator and would help with leadership in 4th quarters tremendously. Both Hali and Hield are great shooters.

Any chance of seeing Hali+Hield for Brown+Juancho?

It would bring Celtics out of the tax (which might be helpful for team future spending).

Smart, Hali, Tatum, Horford, RW3 -- Schroeder, Hield, J-Rich, GWill, Kanter

That is a well-rounded team IMO.

[BK_2020]

It’s harder to leave the middle than the bottom or the top. Portland took a shot - they thought a healthy Zach Collins was going to be a player, he missed too much development time, they hoped Simons would become a star, he hasn’t, but they’ve always been able to get some nice rotation pickups at the deadline, a healthy Nurkic was a difference maker, they had a knack for getting Covington, Nance, Rodney Hood types. They were always one lucky break away until it was too late.

Milwaukee had horrible luck with Jabari’s injuries, but they lucked into George Hill a few years ago, they lucked into Jrue, Brook Lopez was a huge find for them, and they got lucky not only landing Portis but being able to re-up him after a year.

Notice they didn’t trade Giannis.

Disagree that they lucked into Jrue, they paid top dollar, and we should have outbid them.

Jrue and Hali were too huge misses imo

How was Haliburton, picked several spots above our pick, a huge miss?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Not enough value for Jaylen, would love Haliburton here but there’s no trade path.

[cl2117]

I really like Haliburton for this team.. He's a smooth/calm operator and would help with leadership in 4th quarters tremendously. Both Hali and Hield are great shooters.

Any chance of seeing Hali+Hield for Brown+Juancho?

It would bring Celtics out of the tax (which might be helpful for team future spending).

Smart, Hali, Tatum, Horford, RW3 -- Schroeder, Hield, J-Rich, GWill, Kanter

That is a well-rounded team IMO.

I think Hali/Barnes is closer as I've got Hield as negative value on his deal.

Think the value is closer with the way Hali is playing, but I'd still keep Brown. Think he's the best player, not interested trading down for fit. Although Hali is killing it so it's not as big a drop as I thought it'd be, but I've got him on the same level as Dejounte Murray and both a tier below Brown.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brown is the best player in that swap and it's unlikely Hali gets that good. You don't downgrade from one star to two star role-players. It's bad on principle. You just end up needing to acquire another star.

[Curmudgeon]

There is a path: Brown (or Tatum) for Barnes, Halliburton and a sweetner. But without moving Tatum or Brown it's just playing with the deck chairs.

I'd also do Brown (or Tatum) and Smart for Barnes, Haliburton, Richaun Holmes and Davion Mitchell.

[canman1971]

Why do people keep bringing up Barnes? He's not that great of a player and certainly not one to want to trade for.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'd trade Brown and Tatum to Toronto for Fred VanVleet, who at least plays the right way.

[rd26]

It’s harder to leave the middle than the bottom or the top. Portland took a shot - they thought a healthy Zach Collins was going to be a player, he missed too much development time, they hoped Simons would become a star, he hasn’t, but they’ve always been able to get some nice rotation pickups at the deadline, a healthy Nurkic was a difference maker, they had a knack for getting Covington, Nance, Rodney Hood types. They were always one lucky break away until it was too late.

Milwaukee had horrible luck with Jabari’s injuries, but they lucked into George Hill a few years ago, they lucked into Jrue, Brook Lopez was a huge find for them, and they got lucky not only landing Portis but being able to re-up him after a year.

Notice they didn’t trade Giannis.

Disagree that they lucked into Jrue, they paid top dollar, and we should have outbid them.

Jrue and Hali were too huge misses imo

How was Haliburton, picked several spots above our pick, a huge miss?

If I'm not mistaken, it was 1 spot above us, and we had 3 frps. He was projected to go much higher than he actually went.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hope was we could've traded up a couple of spots

[CelticFaninLBC]

There is a path: Brown (or Tatum) for Barnes, Halliburton and a sweetner. But without moving Tatum or Brown it's just playing with the deck chairs.

I'd also do Brown (or Tatum) and Smart for Barnes, Haliburton, Richaun Holmes and Davion Mitchell.

Kings East.

Terrible.

[Theocy]

I really like haliburton etal but honestly this team isnt lacking talent its lacking leadership. We are not getting better because we throw a guard next to Tatum instead of Brown our floor drops for 2-3 years until Hali reaches his full potential (if he does).

Anyway im looking at bulls and suns and how they went from lottery teams to what they are now - the majority of fans used to refer to most of their young core ‘empty stats’ players. Well it seems like we are now managing a hell of an empty stats roster. Not sure what is missing - probs that leader who will put the Js in a corner when they **** up. Smart can’t do that

[Marvel]

There is a path: Brown (or Tatum) for Barnes, Halliburton and a sweetner. But without moving Tatum or Brown it's just playing with the deck chairs.

I'd also do Brown (or Tatum) and Smart for Barnes, Haliburton, Richaun Holmes and Davion Mitchell.

Kings East.

Terrible.

Don't worry we got Ime as the coach.

[Curmudgeon]

There is a path: Brown (or Tatum) for Barnes, Halliburton and a sweetner. But without moving Tatum or Brown it's just playing with the deck chairs.

I'd also do Brown (or Tatum) and Smart for Barnes, Haliburton, Richaun Holmes and Davion Mitchell.

Kings East.

Terrible.

Well, now we're Trailblazers East. You gamble that Halliburton becomes a star. If he doesn't, you draft well. It's better to be bad and cheap than mediocre and expensive.

[chrisab123]

There is a path: Brown (or Tatum) for Barnes, Halliburton and a sweetner. But without moving Tatum or Brown it's just playing with the deck chairs.

I'd also do Brown (or Tatum) and Smart for Barnes, Haliburton, Richaun Holmes and Davion Mitchell.

Kings East.

Terrible.

Well, now we're Trailblazers East. You gamble that Halliburton becomes a star. If he doesn't, you draft well.

The Celtics have a way out of the treadmill but they won't trade Smarts contract...

Its maddening.

[Curmudgeon]

I think Andrew McCeltic has gone over most of the plausible Smart trade scenarios and concluded that none of them really work. What's yours?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Haliburton seems like Lonzo Ball, without the crazy dad. Nice player, but likely not a star.

[Asian Celtic]

I really like Haliburton for this team.. He's a smooth/calm operator and would help with leadership in 4th quarters tremendously. Both Hali and Hield are great shooters.

Any chance of seeing Hali+Hield for Brown+Juancho?

It would bring Celtics out of the tax (which might be helpful for team future spending).

Smart, Hali, Tatum, Horford, RW3 -- Schroeder, Hield, J-Rich, GWill, Kanter

That is a well-rounded team IMO.

Love Haliburton and he's one of the few i'd trade Jaylen for but I think Barnes instead of heild makes more sense for us.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think Andrew McCeltic has gone over most of the plausible Smart trade scenarios and concluded that none of them really work. What's yours?

There are Smart trade scenarios that work - but you'd need a second trade to bring in a point guard and then there are no scenarios that work.