The TRADE Thread 2021

[blind prophet]

So what sort of offer would Sacramento make for someone like Brown?

Haliburton, Barnes, some 1sts?

If the goal is indeed to win now, that would be fine. Problem is we'd need depth at the 4 without Barnes.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So what sort of offer would Sacramento make for someone like Brown?

Haliburton, Barnes, some 1sts?

If the goal is indeed to win now, that would be fine. Problem is we'd need depth at the 4 without Barnes.

I was thinking about Jaylen to Philly, Simmons to Sacramento, Hali/picks(+Bagley?) to Boston, Barnes to a third team who ships something back to the Celtics..

[rpa]

I was thinking about Jaylen to Philly, Simmons to Sacramento, Hali/picks(+Bagley?) to Boston, Barnes to a third team who ships something back to the Celtics..

Haliburton and picks is probably an overpay for Simmons at this point. Adding Barnes makes it a massive overpay.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I was thinking about Jaylen to Philly, Simmons to Sacramento, Hali/picks(+Bagley?) to Boston, Barnes to a third team who ships something back to the Celtics..

Haliburton and picks is probably an overpay for Simmons at this point. Adding Barnes makes it a massive overpay.

What other trade returns have been talked about for Barnes, if Boston wanted to route him to a third team?

[blind prophet]

I was thinking about Jaylen to Philly, Simmons to Sacramento, Hali/picks(+Bagley?) to Boston, Barnes to a third team who ships something back to the Celtics..

Haliburton and picks is probably an overpay for Simmons at this point. Adding Barnes makes it a massive overpay.

What other trade returns have been talked about for Barnes, if Boston wanted to route him to a third team?

I don't think it is an overpay as long as the picks are protected decently. Would I make the trade?

No, I'd try in the off season.

Maybe Move Barnes when he is about to be an expiring at that point for possible draft assets, try to find a combo of picks or players via 3 teams at least. Give Philly the best player we could get with everything for Simmons. Haliburton would be the last player I'd move, would try really hard to do anything I could to not trade him.

But Vivek wants to win now so badly. Haliburton is also Monte's pick, so he'd probably try to do anything else he could not to trade him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Do you all think Fox will get better as a shooter and defender? Risk is that he makes the leap somewhere else, but to me he’s the guy you have to trade..

[blind prophet]

Do you all think Fox will get better as a shooter and defender? Risk is that he makes the leap somewhere else, but to me he’s the guy you have to trade..

Fox is an above average defender IMO. Occasionally he is fantastic. So yes I think he will get better defensively.

As a shooter? His midrange game has expanded from the eye test. Seeing more shot variation, floaters. So he's going to be able to expand his shot variation.

3 point percentage? I have no idea man.

[BoogieTime]

Haliburton and picks is probably an overpay for Simmons at this point. Adding Barnes makes it a massive overpay.

What other trade returns have been talked about for Barnes, if Boston wanted to route him to a third team?

I don't think it is an overpay as long as the picks are protected decently. Would I make the trade?

No, I'd try in the off season.

Maybe Move Barnes when he is about to be an expiring at that point for possible draft assets, try to find a combo of picks or players via 3 teams at least. Give Philly the best player we could get with everything for Simmons. Haliburton would be the last player I'd move, would try really hard to do anything I could to not trade him.

But Vivek wants to win now so badly. Haliburton is also Monte's pick, so he'd probably try to do anything else he could not to trade him.

Just because clown Vivek wants to win now, doesn't mean IMO Hali will be traded

I think his name was thrown in the article just to say literally everything is on the table to improve.

As far as Simmons, if Hali was ever connected to him, Philly would be making up a massive gap IMO. Like Maxey. And I still wouldn't do that trade.

Simmons value is tanking by the minute, and he is an odd player. His odd skillset, without individual offense, and being not really to die for in the half court, means that he might not even be an impact player

Fox to me is the trade because I cant imagine the spacing with Fox/Simmons or the usage by adding Simmons to Fox/Hali.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Do you all think Fox will get better as a shooter and defender? Risk is that he makes the leap somewhere else, but to me he’s the guy you have to trade..

Fox is an above average defender IMO. Occasionally he is fantastic. So yes I think he will get better defensively.

As a shooter? His midrange game has expanded from the eye test. Seeing more shot variation, floaters. So he's going to be able to expand his shot variation.

3 point percentage? I have no idea man.

His defensive rating says otherwise.. I loved him in the draft, and would like him for Boston except that he reminds me of Kemba- great scorer who might build up his shooting percentages, limited on defense. It'd take us lucking into a three-team trade for someone who wants our crap, I can't see them trading Jaylen for him.

[BoogieTime]

Do you all think Fox will get better as a shooter and defender? Risk is that he makes the leap somewhere else, but to me he’s the guy you have to trade..

Fox is an above average defender IMO. Occasionally he is fantastic. So yes I think he will get better defensively.

As a shooter? His midrange game has expanded from the eye test. Seeing more shot variation, floaters. So he's going to be able to expand his shot variation.

3 point percentage? I have no idea man.

His defensive rating says otherwise.. I loved him in the draft, and would like him for Boston except that he reminds me of Kemba- great scorer who might build up his shooting percentages, limited on defense. It'd take us lucking into a three-team trade for someone who wants our crap, I can't see them trading Jaylen for him.

He'll get better because he will be guarding SGs going forward, and not PGs if we have a coach who knows what he is doing

He's also looked better defensively lately, hopefully there are reasons for his poor play this year

[Andrew McCeltic]

Interesting, why is he better at guarding shooting guards?

[BoogieTime]

Interesting, why is he better at guarding shooting guards?

He loses focus and doesn't have the intensity a lot of time to be guarding at the point of attack. You can get away with those traits far easier guarding less athletic SGs.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ok, makes sense, except he's at a physical disadvantage guarding 2s. I could live with him on the Celtics being a poor shooter or an inconsistent defender, but not both.

[BoogieTime]

Ok, makes sense, except he's at a physical disadvantage guarding 2s. I could live with him on the Celtics being a poor shooter or an inconsistent defender, but not both.

I don't know if he will be long term. He's notable defended bigger wings like Doncic/George. He's filled out a lot, particularly last summer. Hopefully he will continue to get stronger without it hurting his athleticism (I dont know how he'd fit on the Celtics, but if he remains a 'Kings)

[Andrew McCeltic]

What's his exact height with and without shoes? I've seen conflicting numbers

[BoogieTime]

What's his exact height with and without shoes? I've seen conflicting numbers

6'3 with shoes seems to be the most consistent in recent years

[BoogieTime]

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Also very rare for 21 year olds to be putting up the numbers he was without Fox at 21 (20/10+), with his efficiency and advanced stats.

IMO he still has an argument for player in his class in the right situation, and finding franchise playmakers are hard to come by.

I dont think he will be traded lightly.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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Also very rare for 21 year olds to be putting up the numbers he was without Fox at 21 (20/10+), with his efficiency and advanced stats.

IMO he still has an argument for player in his class in the right situation, and finding franchise playmakers are hard to come by.

I dont think he will be traded lightly.

Who do you have as comps for Haliburton? He's incredibly skilled at what he's skilled at, but his floor looks like Lonzo Ball minus the defense. Better playmaker and scorer than Lonzo because he's a more diverse shooting threat and craftier ballhandler, but can't create for himself much more than Lonzo can. He's so young that you can hype his upside and imagine him doing what he already does at a more elite level and becoming an idiosyncratic star player, but it's hard to think of other backcourt guys like him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

create = get to the rim*

[BoogieTime]

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Also very rare for 21 year olds to be putting up the numbers he was without Fox at 21 (20/10+), with his efficiency and advanced stats.

IMO he still has an argument for player in his class in the right situation, and finding franchise playmakers are hard to come by.

I dont think he will be traded lightly.

Who do you have as comps for Haliburton? He's incredibly skilled at what he's skilled at, but his floor looks like Lonzo Ball minus the defense. Better playmaker and scorer than Lonzo because he's a more diverse shooting threat and craftier ballhandler, but can't create for himself much more than Lonzo can. He's so young that you can hype his upside and imagine him doing what he already does at a more elite level and becoming an idiosyncratic star player, but it's hard to think of other backcourt guys like him.

He's superior offensively to Lonzo. I can see him as a 20+ pt scorer in his prime and potentially doubling his assists as well. I'm not sure the comp in the modern game. He's been at least as good defensively as Zo was at the same age

But I'm a fan