Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[AirP.]

I don't see the lightning rod for praise part. He is easily the most criticized on the team without any pushback whatsoever. He's often scapegoated for things that everyone on the team is doing. I've seen Herro get raked over the coals for poor shooting nights when Jimmy shot worse. Crapped on for turning over the ball, when Bam got more turnovers. That's not to say its not somewhat understandable because those two bring other things that Herro doesn't, but a few posters act like Herro isn't a 20 point scorer on a team anemic with offense, especially with the way Duncan has played all year, and instant offense off the bench.

Spo is another person always scapegoated on here. That one is the one that pisses me off the most because its like if you look at this team roster compounded with the injuries we've sustained and see what the hell our record is, you have to be an absolute **** to give him the grief he's given.

People got more defensive about me rightfully calling Duncan trash than any criticism Herro gets. I had one weirdo quote me with an essay of condescension because I basically just said Yogurt has things he needs to work on But you can **** on Tyler without any real flinching on here. Its basically the same 3 or 4 posters though, 2 of which are in this thread doing what they do. So its easy to not take them seriously on anything Herro related, because they will warp whatever he does into a negative and use some "advanced stats" to justify their hate instead of just saying with their chest they don't like Herro and never have. But still, its crazy.

Every time I say anything negative about Herro I get tons of pushback. even when I post stats to back up what I'm saying, to me it seems if you don't praise the hell out of him you're seen as someone who hates him which isn't the case. Duncan I see some pushback but man... he's a one trick pony and I'll be really confused about his contract if he's still on the Miami Heat roster next season. Spolestra is great out of getting the most out of his players.

[MiamiSun]

I don't see why people can't be happy with the team's success and celebrate every players success like the team does. Herro had a great game, celebrate it. Duncan has a bad game, keep the confidence that he will bounce back. If the FO managed this team like some of the posters in here?

Nothing makes me happier then when I see Jimmy, Bam, even Morris and VO who have not really gone through the wars with these guy like others have, cheer and be genuinely happy at other's success.

[3ballbomber]

I’m starting to think If we could bring back rookie Wade and insert him on this team for Herro you all wouldn’t do it.

Your incessant posts of trading everyone on this team has become extremely redundant. If Bam was healthy & having a bad stretch you'd be pushing for a trade too.

We're 3rd in the East & all I keep reading are trade key pieces, you being the biggest culprit


Oh & i'd trade Bam, Herro & jimmy for rookie Wade. Wade cut from a diff cloth.

[3ballbomber]

Look, I want Herro to average 50 a game. I don’t have anything against him, love him

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m starting to think If we could bring back rookie Wade and insert him on this team for Herro you all wouldn’t do it.

Your incessant posts of trading everyone on this team has become extremely redundant. If Bam was healthy & having a bad stretch you'd be pushing for a trade too.

We're 3rd in the East & all I keep reading are trade key pieces, you being the biggest culprit


Oh & i'd trade Bam, Herro & jimmy for rookie Wade. Wade cut from a diff cloth.

Nah sometimes you just have to maximize your assets and go all in to win, that’s all it is. We’re right there for a championship imo, could maybe even win it as constructed but why not upgrade if we can? Duncan and picks can be moved for an upgrade and we have his replacements, Herro can be traded with Duncan and picks for a player far better than both. I just want to win a ring for Jimmy and time is not on our side

I wouldn’t trade Bam for anyone outside the top 10, only bigs I would trade him for are Jokic and Embiid.

Good I’m glad we’re on the same page with Wade at least.

[dshearn]

Bam as power forward and Yurtseven at center may be the ticket home (in the future). This guy needs many, many, many games. Should be fun!

Spo is going to Spo, but what we are getting out of a rookie version of Yurt is fantastic.

It really makes one hope that they keep him in and keep him learning. Heck over the last few games we are starting to see him work the ball to cutters and getting assists. He is adapting and improving.


You can see an NBA starting center in Yurt for sure and Bam can do anything. I have no doubt that Bam could become a corner 3 guy if need be and it would fit right into Miami's offense. So easy to conceptualize Bam with a dribble hand off option to Duncan, take it to the corner and dump if off to Yurt to either shoot or pass back out to Bam. They were doing a variation of that in the push for the finals with Bam in the post. Basically weaponizing Duncan's ability to pull people outside.

[Hallstar]

I want some of Herros usage to go to Bam, Herro shouldn’t have the highest usage. I want Bam to score more and be more aggressive to score, Spo needs to drill this in his head when he comes back.

It’s easy to go away from Bam because we have so many gifted perimeter players and the league is more perimeter oriented now but Bam almost always has a mismatch on offense.

People have been saying that about Bam for about 4 years now, he doesn't have it in him. I accepted that this year. Nowhere did I say Herro was a better player currently, but potential offensively it's not close.

[marson]

Do you guys think Yurt would be buried in the bench again once Bam and Dedmon comes back?

I'm more impressed with Yurt than Dedmon. Consecutive double double is no joke for an undrafted rookie.

[twix2500]

I want some of Herros usage to go to Bam, Herro shouldn’t have the highest usage. I want Bam to score more and be more aggressive to score, Spo needs to drill this in his head when he comes back.

It’s easy to go away from Bam because we have so many gifted perimeter players and the league is more perimeter oriented now but Bam almost always has a mismatch on offense.

People have been saying that about Bam for about 4 years now, he doesn't have it in him. I accepted that this year. Nowhere did I say Herro was a better player currently, but potential offensively it's not close.

I am going to defend 3ammy here. Iv seen these comments quite often, and intentionally stayed out of it. I have seen lately some saying Herro is a better at scoring and at shot creating than Bam and Butler. Let's get this straight, Butler is the best scorer on this team by FAR, that includes creating. I get that Herro is more entertaining to most in here, due to his aggressiveness, his attempts to do crossovers, a perimeter oriented player, and he looks like an anime character. In a vacuum, If player A has to work harder and take more shots to get the same amount of points as player B, A is less of a scorer than B.

I remember people use to knock Lebron as a scorer because he was more power than finesse. And they would point out less efficient players who actually score less as better scorers than Lebron, because they would do crossovers. Which is silly.

I get the argument between Bam and Herro. They are comparable, and worth the discussion. The difference between Bam and Herro is efficiency vs aggressiveness. Bam doesn't struggle to get his shot, he just passes it up. He has plenty of open shots available he just doesn't take them. As I mentioned before when Bam takes 15 or more shots he is averaging basically 24 pts a game (sporadic sample size). His inconsistency of aggressiveness is a knock. And we have not seen him perform at 18 fga game on a consistent large enough sample size to know how well he would truly perform at that rate. Herro knock is that he's been very inconsistent at being efficient on his high aggressiveness. And I think we all agree that these two areas are what Herro and Bam need to improve on and fully capable of doing so.

[twix2500]

Do you guys think Yurt would be buried in the bench again once Bam and Dedmon comes back?

I'm more impressed with Yurt than Dedmon. Consecutive double double is no joke for an undrafted rookie.

I think you will see Yurt for the rest of the regular season. But the playoffs is questionable.

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[RexBoyWonder]

I wonder if the front office is content with current roster or are they trying to make another big move.

If Herro and Duncan continue to impress these next few weeks we might be able to land an established star in a trade. While I'm personally against trading them, I can see the logic behind going all in for a ready to win now type player like a Bradley Beal.

If not a big move, Maybe a smaller one without involving Herro. Maybe get another stretch 4.

[twix2500]

I wonder if the front office is content with current roster or are they trying to make another big move.

If Herro and Duncan continue to impress these next few weeks we might be able to land an established star in a trade. While I'm personally against trading them, I can see the logic behind going all in for a ready to win now type player like a Bradley Beal.

If not a big move, Maybe a smaller one without involving Herro. Maybe get another stretch 4.

I do not think the Heat are looking to trade any rotation players for another role player. I think they are dead set with this roster. Only possible moves is of course an All-Star like Beal becomes available or a back end move like moving KZ or Morris to open a spot for a buyout player.

Morris health has become a real concern. Not sure the Heat can depend on him.

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[dean456]

People are throwing out a lot of numbers to discredit Herro saying things like we are worse with him starting this and that. Herro's role has been dramatically increased for the first time this season. He's learning and will continue to get better, more efficient and learn to make more winning plays.

I really don't get looking at the Herro starting vs non starting numbers. Rotations have been way too inconsistent to put much weight in on/off, starter/non starter numbers.

Herro's games starting:
2 w/o Butler
4 w/o without Bam
4 w/o both

I don't think Herro's untouchable or anything but it would really need to be the right deal that puts us over the top, as I do think he's a very valuable young player. To me the only difference between 21yo Booker and 21yo Herro is Booker's ability to get to the FT line Booker 6FTAs to Herro's 3FTAs accounting for his 3 extra PPG that year, outside of that there isn't much separating their games at the same points in their careers. If Herro was on that PHX team back then he would be starting and likely doing the same things.

[Kobewade11]

This team doesn't need a major trade if Bam comes back and plays the way he is supposed to

[marson]

Yea. I think we are deadset with this roster already. We are currently 3rd in the standing with half of the players going in and out. This group deserved to fight in the playoffs.

If we get bounced out in the 2nd round this year then there will be changes next year for sure.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This team doesn't need a major trade if Bam comes back and plays the way he is supposed to

Absolutely agree. If anything maybe a small trade of KZ for a future non conveyable pick to open up a roster spot to sign a veteran buyout market depth player for the stretch run.

[twix2500]

This team doesn't need a major trade if Bam comes back and plays the way he is supposed to

I agree, I believe this is it, this is the rebuild. I know some people like AirP think the Heat are still in rebuild mode. And I am sure AirP will be disappointed. I believe the Heat believe this formula can win a chip this year, its just everyone needs to play their part.

This team is constructed similar to the Spurs 2013-14 team.

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[DayofMourning]

We can win with our current group if we have the right guys playing together and producing.

[marson]

Bucks and Nets are the only hurdle in the east tbh. I don't trust the current Bulls in the playoffs.

How many playoff games did Lavigne and Lonzo played already? 0?

If we manage to get in the finals, A Suns or Warriors team would be both hard tasks to overcome but I prefer the Warriors, we matched up well on their guards. Pretty much what the Raps did to Curry in 2019 Finals and Curry always somehow play less of what he used to in the regular season compared to the finals. I feel like Spo can exploit that with his good old trapping defense .

[gom]

I don't see the lightning rod for praise part. He is easily the most criticized on the team without any pushback whatsoever. He's often scapegoated for things that everyone on the team is doing. I've seen Herro get raked over the coals for poor shooting nights when Jimmy shot worse. Crapped on for turning over the ball, when Bam got more turnovers. That's not to say its not somewhat understandable because those two bring other things that Herro doesn't, but a few posters act like Herro isn't a 20 point scorer on a team anemic with offense, especially with the way Duncan has played all year, and instant offense off the bench.

Spo is another person always scapegoated on here. That one is the one that pisses me off the most because its like if you look at this team roster compounded with the injuries we've sustained and see what the hell our record is, you have to be an absolute **** to give him the grief he's given.

People got more defensive about me rightfully calling Duncan trash than any criticism Herro gets. I had one weirdo quote me with an essay of condescension because I basically just said Yogurt has things he needs to work on But you can **** on Tyler without any real flinching on here. Its basically the same 3 or 4 posters though, 2 of which are in this thread doing what they do. So its easy to not take them seriously on anything Herro related, because they will warp whatever he does into a negative and use some "advanced stats" to justify their hate instead of just saying with their chest they don't like Herro and never have. But still, its crazy.

Every time I say anything negative about Herro I get tons of pushback. even when I post stats to back up what I'm saying, to me it seems if you don't praise the hell out of him you're seen as someone who hates him which isn't the case. Duncan I see some pushback but man... he's a one trick pony and I'll be really confused about his contract if he's still on the Miami Heat roster next season. Spolestra is great out of getting the most out of his players.

Seriously, if you still see Duncan as a one-trick pony, you just aren't watching the games. Duncan's defense has improved. He can vary his scoring. His tactical job is shooting threes. That's what Spo wants him to do. He's very good at it.