2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

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[Ell Curry]

Maybe?

He is on a pretty solid contract with 19m-ish owned over this season and next.
Making under 10m a season and playing 29MPG is a pretty sweet deal for what he brings.

The Spurs are nowhere near the tax and will have a fair bit of cap space this summer so the fiscal relief angle wouldn't work and he isnt blocking the development path for anyone on the Spurs. If he is not part of their immediate plans maybe pick or prospect?

I think an expiring and an FRP is likely where the discussion starts.

Seems about right. I'd consider a lotto protected pick. Not sure if that gets it done though.

Uh, just today in a redraft of 2016, Jak went #10. So why would the Spurs, who have him on a team-friendly deal, give him up for a non-lottery pick? What C on the Spurs is gonna replace him?

I'd love the guy back, Pascal would want him back, but there's no chance.

They can trade Poeltl if they think they can max out Ayton this summer, but presumably that would be in the summer.

They can extend Poeltl for up to 58/4 this summer, and I could see that satisfying both parties. That would put them at about 75M in the summer of 2023 if they cut Zach Collins and Kelden Johnson's cap hold being small, so they'd still have a Max deal and I could see some free agent being tempted by joining a Murray/White/Primo/Vassell/Kelden/2022 1st/Poeltl core. Perfect Jaylen Brown fit comes to mind.

[GooniesNeverDie]

I feel like Masai will do nothing but I listened to a podcast last night speculating Masai is gearing up to trade for a star. There are quite a few stars that could be available and we have good pieces and all
our picks. Simmons, jaylen brown, maybe Anthony Davis or Zion if their teams give up on them. The idea was a major move like when he traded demar.

Jaylen Brown is the one I'm paying attention to if the Cs continue their downfall.

I'm still interested in the direction we're heading. It'll probably be a tell come trade deadline if we try to acquire a bench and a situational big C, or acquire young pieces/SRPs with the likes of Dragic/Boucher/Svi/Flynn.

No way Boston trades JB within their division. Although I would love to be wrong.

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[everdiso]

If we're gonna add an ex rap bench guy, I go for Delon, not Jakob.

[MikeM]

Why did the Pistons give Olynyk 3 years, man? I would love to try and get him if he had just this year and next.

[wegotthabeet]

Maybe?

He is on a pretty solid contract with 19m-ish owned over this season and next.
Making under 10m a season and playing 29MPG is a pretty sweet deal for what he brings.

The Spurs are nowhere near the tax and will have a fair bit of cap space this summer so the fiscal relief angle wouldn't work and he isnt blocking the development path for anyone on the Spurs. If he is not part of their immediate plans maybe pick or prospect?

I think an expiring and an FRP is likely where the discussion starts.

Seems about right. I'd consider a lotto protected pick. Not sure if that gets it done though.

Uh, just today in a redraft of 2016, Jak went #10. So why would the Spurs, who have him on a team-friendly deal, give him up for a non-lottery pick? What C on the Spurs is gonna replace him?

I'd love the guy back, Pascal would want him back, but there's no chance.

Um they probably wouldn't hence why I implied that in the post you quoted. I also wouldn't move a lotto pick for him. It's moot either way.

[tecumseh18]

Seems about right. I'd consider a lotto protected pick. Not sure if that gets it done though.

Uh, just today in a redraft of 2016, Jak went #10. So why would the Spurs, who have him on a team-friendly deal, give him up for a non-lottery pick? What C on the Spurs is gonna replace him?

I'd love the guy back, Pascal would want him back, but there's no chance.

Um they probably wouldn't hence why I implied that in the post you quoted. I also wouldn't move a lotto pick for him. It's moot either way.

No, you said "not sure if that gets it done". Which is untrue. It DEFINITELY doesn't get it done. I just wanted to nail that sucker down. There's no point even contemplating the possibility of a trade for Jak.

[Morris_Shatford]

Who else thinks raptors will stand pat at trade deadline?

Yes, other than buying out Goran...

Perhaps small trade involving Flynn, svi?

I don't think they will try to move Boucher.. he is their best 5 right now...more consistent than Birch or precious....

Thoughts?

I agree.

I don't think there was ever much chance of anything other than some work around the edges of the roster.
Dragic is likely being held solely as ballast for a deal that may come out of left field closer to the deadline where a 19m expiring may be useful to two other teams looking to consummate a larger deal. If not, Dragic is likely bought out the day after the deadline and on the Mavs shortly afterward.

My preference would have been to add around some salary for next season so we could sign our FRP and use the full MLE;
However, I am not as convinced that Masai will not attempt to re-sign Boucher as I was a week ago and if that is the plan it heavily limits our ability to add any additional salary next season.

[Dalek]

One of the only big trades I would be 100% behind is trading for Myles Turner because we would not have to experiment with so many strange line-ups and could rely on him as a starting C.

Why I make the move for Turner beyond even the defensive impact, he can be that pick and pop guy that can relieve some of the pressure much like Ibaka did for Lowry. Both Birch and Achuiwa are just roll men, and that will be useless against stacked teams especially in the playoffs.

The cost would have to be somebody like OG given Turner's contract and age and production. While I do love OG as a Raptor, you can tell the pecking order is now FVV, Pascal with a distant third given to OG putting up about 18-20 PPG with good defense. It is great, but we do have a Scottie Barnes waiting in the wings and Gary Trent Jr. can use a bump up in touches.

We need to move some future salary out to be able to maintain flexibility and I doubt a rebuilding Indy want Goran Dragic. OG even played as a Hoosier so they will love him there.

Turner to me is the next Ibaka type of trade. Orlando went into a full rebuild and gladly accepted T Ross for Ibaka. We offer our beloved OG which likely beats any other market offers. I would think because OG has such a reasonable contract he is worth a pick back from Indy because Turner is only signed for another year. We can ship out Svi to make the salaries even.

[Tha Cynic]

One of the only big trades I would be 100% behind is trading for Myles Turner because we would not have to experiment with so many strange line-ups and could rely on him as a starting C.

Why I make the move for Turner beyond even the defensive impact, he can be that pick and pop guy that can relieve some of the pressure much like Ibaka did for Lowry. Both Birch and Achuiwa are just roll men, and that will be useless against stacked teams especially in the playoffs.

The cost would have to be somebody like OG given Turner's contract and age and production. While I do love OG as a Raptor, you can tell the pecking order is now FVV, Pascal with a distant third given to OG putting up about 18-20 PPG with good defense. It is great, but we do have a Scottie Barnes waiting in the wings and Gary Trent Jr. can use a bump up in touches.

We need to move some future salary out to be able to maintain flexibility and I doubt a rebuilding Indy want Goran Dragic. OG even played as a Hoosier so they will love him there.

Turner to me is the next Ibaka type of trade. Orlando went into a full rebuild and gladly accepted T Ross for Ibaka. We offer our beloved OG which likely beats any other market offers. I would think because OG has such a reasonable contract he is worth a pick back from Indy because Turner is only signed for another year. We can ship out Svi to make the salaries even.

I love the idea of Turner on this team.

I am coming around to the idea that OG is probably this team's best trade chip and may eventually have to be the guy we trade away, because I don't see this team trading FVV, and Siakam seems to have adapted well within this sytem.

What I don't like is OG for Turner though as I feel OG can fetch much more than that.

Don't look now, but the Raptors may actually have a better starting lineup than when they made the trade for Kawhi. The pieces are there for that one player to come in and make this team a true contender. They also have a great trading piece in OG. I just don't know if that one player is available out there.

[Bruin]

Exactly 1 month until the deadline. Hopefully we make some moves at least to get some value out of Boucher/Flynn

[Ell Curry]

One of the only big trades I would be 100% behind is trading for Myles Turner because we would not have to experiment with so many strange line-ups and could rely on him as a starting C.

Why I make the move for Turner beyond even the defensive impact, he can be that pick and pop guy that can relieve some of the pressure much like Ibaka did for Lowry. Both Birch and Achuiwa are just roll men, and that will be useless against stacked teams especially in the playoffs.

The cost would have to be somebody like OG given Turner's contract and age and production. While I do love OG as a Raptor, you can tell the pecking order is now FVV, Pascal with a distant third given to OG putting up about 18-20 PPG with good defense. It is great, but we do have a Scottie Barnes waiting in the wings and Gary Trent Jr. can use a bump up in touches.

We need to move some future salary out to be able to maintain flexibility and I doubt a rebuilding Indy want Goran Dragic. OG even played as a Hoosier so they will love him there.

Turner to me is the next Ibaka type of trade. Orlando went into a full rebuild and gladly accepted T Ross for Ibaka. We offer our beloved OG which likely beats any other market offers. I would think because OG has such a reasonable contract he is worth a pick back from Indy because Turner is only signed for another year. We can ship out Svi to make the salaries even.

No way 1.5 years of Turner nets 2.5 years of OG without a serious asset coming from Indiana too. Wing 3 and D guys are just too valuable. OG would start and close for literally all 30 teams in the league because even the best teams like Utah and Phoenix start much worse versions of him (O'Neale and Crowder). Can't say that about Turner.

I don't think we'd even do Levert + Turner + Lamb for OG + Birch + Dragic even though it gives us a bench scorer and gets us off Birch's final 2 years we'd want off the books with Turner on the team.

Maybe Turner + Duarte + Holiday for OG + Birch + Raptors lotto protected 1st since Duarte would be a great Svi style player for us:

Turner-Siakam-Barnes-Trent-VanVleet
Achiuwa-Boucher-Duarte

I think the likelier Turner deal is just something like Dragic + 2022 1st + 2023 2nd Rounder + Achiuwa/Banton for Turner if the Pacers think Achiuwa can be a decent fit at the 4 next to Sabonis or love Banton. Basically what Denver gave up for Aaron Gordon but Harris had an awful extra year deal on his deal and Dragic isn't, but Turner is better than Gordon. And I think someone beats that and we don't add a 2nd first rounder for Turner.

[Ell Curry]

Why did the Pistons give Olynyk 3 years, man? I would love to try and get him if he had just this year and next.

His final year is only 3M guaranteed which isn't so bad if you have to cut him.

Olynyk + Josh Jackson for Dragic takes Detroit from like 20M in room up to about 31M which does make them big off-season players. And then we probably move Birch to some team that needs a center for an expiring, maybe it costs us a 2nd rounder? Or maybe we send them Flynn and they give us a protected 2nd and it's a 3 way deal that gets Birch off the books.

[Spida888]

I'm lukewarm on Turner. On paper he's definitely an upgrade, but I don't want to give up a valuable player for him. He's pretty injury prone and not sure about his motor.

A protected first + filler is what I would offer for Turner, which he probably nets more.

[Dalek]

One of the only big trades I would be 100% behind is trading for Myles Turner because we would not have to experiment with so many strange line-ups and could rely on him as a starting C.

Why I make the move for Turner beyond even the defensive impact, he can be that pick and pop guy that can relieve some of the pressure much like Ibaka did for Lowry. Both Birch and Achuiwa are just roll men, and that will be useless against stacked teams especially in the playoffs.

The cost would have to be somebody like OG given Turner's contract and age and production. While I do love OG as a Raptor, you can tell the pecking order is now FVV, Pascal with a distant third given to OG putting up about 18-20 PPG with good defense. It is great, but we do have a Scottie Barnes waiting in the wings and Gary Trent Jr. can use a bump up in touches.

We need to move some future salary out to be able to maintain flexibility and I doubt a rebuilding Indy want Goran Dragic. OG even played as a Hoosier so they will love him there.

Turner to me is the next Ibaka type of trade. Orlando went into a full rebuild and gladly accepted T Ross for Ibaka. We offer our beloved OG which likely beats any other market offers. I would think because OG has such a reasonable contract he is worth a pick back from Indy because Turner is only signed for another year. We can ship out Svi to make the salaries even.

I love the idea of Turner on this team.

I am coming around to the idea that OG is probably this team's best trade chip and may eventually have to be the guy we trade away, because I don't see this team trading FVV, and Siakam seems to have adapted well within this sytem.

What I don't like is OG for Turner though as I feel OG can fetch much more than that.

Don't look now, but the Raptors may actually have a better starting lineup than when they made the trade for Kawhi. The pieces are there for that one player to come in and make this team a true contender. They also have a great trading piece in OG. I just don't know if that one player is available out there.

I hear what you are saying about OG's value, but I feel like he didn't quite make the leap that I thought he would based on how he looked in the preseason. I use the Jaylen Brown measuring stick, and he hasn't become that go to scorer/facilitator. His handle is better and he creates a bit more, but it still seems like WiP.

I do also think Scottie's readiness means the team can move forward from one of OG or Pascal. Like you, I don't know who the next Kawhi is, but I just feel like Turner's age, contract and position make him a really great fit, but I guess it is debatable how much better the team will be with him.

[Ell Curry]

I'm lukewarm on Turner. On paper he's definitely an upgrade, but I don't want to give up a valuable player for him. He's pretty injury prone and not sure about his motor.

A protected first + filler is what I would offer for Turner, which he probably nets more.

Yeah he's still a 25 year old shooting center who's a proven defender on a good contract and an extension is very plausible. That's gotta be tempting for a non-FA attracting team like Charlotte, Minnesota, Memphis or Washington to send the same level of 1st rounder we can send this year AND throw in a protected 1st or a young Indiana likes better than Achiuwa or Banton like.

Memphis in particular would be really interesting with a Turner-Jackson-Bane-Brooks-Morant closing group. Tons of size but also decent spacing for Morant to drive and all 5 starters are between 22 and 25. They'd be all 25-28 in 3-5 years when they're really ready to maybe even win a title. And they have 3 first rounders this year (2 late ones though) so can easily deal 2 of them, Anderson (Indy can re-route him for a young player or pick) and Culver's expiring, or include Tyus Jones or Konchar or Aldama or even take on McConnel's ugly deal.

[tecumseh18]

I'm lukewarm on Turner. On paper he's definitely an upgrade, but I don't want to give up a valuable player for him. He's pretty injury prone and not sure about his motor.

A protected first + filler is what I would offer for Turner, which he probably nets more.

For this season, I'd give Indiana an unprotected first, because Raps aren't gonna finish top ten in the lottery anyway.

OG is better than Turner in every way except rim protection. Even at defending opposing Cs. There's no way to construct such a trade that would be of net benefit to the Raptors, this season and for the seasons to come.

[youreachiteach]

I worry about Turner's effort level. He seems to float in and out of their offence and often appears disinterested. He is definitely a good defensive anchor and would solve the "center" issue. Unfortunately, if you trade OG you have no one to guard big wings like Durant. Scottie is ok with slower players but doesn't have the quickness OG does.

Also, Indy is not in a position to demand top dollar since they have come out and said they are basically open for business. I was watching the Cleveland game against Golden State and their bigs were almost completely shut out. Yes, they got a few blocks and a few dunks but largely were helpless trailing smaller wings on switches. In fact, they couldn't even get to rebounds because they didn't have the footspeed to get to the long boards. Second chance points and transition were the difference due to a lack of speed--not even shooting. Only Rondo's three point barrage kept the game close.

Granted. we are no Golden State, but I'm not sure a "BIG" is as relevant anymore as it used to be. As long as Precious and Birch (reasonable Looney clones) are adequate defenders and rebounders we will be ok.

[Kurtz]

OG is a more valuable piece than Turner...you don't give up OG at all unless it's a package for a superstar.

Trent, Boucher, 1st (unprotected) is a fair offer for Turner.

[Dalek]

One of the only big trades I would be 100% behind is trading for Myles Turner because we would not have to experiment with so many strange line-ups and could rely on him as a starting C.

Why I make the move for Turner beyond even the defensive impact, he can be that pick and pop guy that can relieve some of the pressure much like Ibaka did for Lowry. Both Birch and Achuiwa are just roll men, and that will be useless against stacked teams especially in the playoffs.

The cost would have to be somebody like OG given Turner's contract and age and production. While I do love OG as a Raptor, you can tell the pecking order is now FVV, Pascal with a distant third given to OG putting up about 18-20 PPG with good defense. It is great, but we do have a Scottie Barnes waiting in the wings and Gary Trent Jr. can use a bump up in touches.

We need to move some future salary out to be able to maintain flexibility and I doubt a rebuilding Indy want Goran Dragic. OG even played as a Hoosier so they will love him there.

Turner to me is the next Ibaka type of trade. Orlando went into a full rebuild and gladly accepted T Ross for Ibaka. We offer our beloved OG which likely beats any other market offers. I would think because OG has such a reasonable contract he is worth a pick back from Indy because Turner is only signed for another year. We can ship out Svi to make the salaries even.

No way 1.5 years of Turner nets 2.5 years of OG without a serious asset coming from Indiana too. Wing 3 and D guys are just too valuable. OG would start and close for literally all 30 teams in the league because even the best teams like Utah and Phoenix start much worse versions of him (O'Neale and Crowder). Can't say that about Turner.

I don't think we'd even do Levert + Turner + Lamb for OG + Birch + Dragic even though it gives us a bench scorer and gets us off Birch's final 2 years we'd want off the books with Turner on the team.

Maybe Turner + Duarte + Holiday for OG + Birch + Raptors lotto protected 1st since Duarte would be a great Svi style player for us:

Turner-Siakam-Barnes-Trent-VanVleet
Achiuwa-Boucher-Duarte

I think the likelier Turner deal is just something like Dragic + 2022 1st + 2023 2nd Rounder + Achiuwa/Banton for Turner if the Pacers think Achiuwa can be a decent fit at the 4 next to Sabonis or love Banton. Basically what Denver gave up for Aaron Gordon but Harris had an awful extra year deal on his deal and Dragic isn't, but Turner is better than Gordon. And I think someone beats that and we don't add a 2nd first rounder for Turner.

I do like your last deal and it makes sense. I guess why I was thinking Indy might want something more tangible to now. They have a lot of win-now type pieces and I think with their shrinking attendance they could use a player with OG's name. Also, for Toronto, taking OG's salary out for next year keeps us in a good tax place. I do like OG's deal, but keeping OG and trading for Turner will put Toronto in the tax and could hard cap the team - it is a big investment.

If you take his age out, it just seems like the replacement value of OG could be filled by a vet or Scottie. There are any number of players that more or less fill that role. OG is a good defender, but he struggles with conditioning and is always kind of the same player to me. A valuable 3 and D guy, but not a franchise type C.

Toronto made Ibaka elite. He was the same type of shotblocking jumpshooter, and that made Toronto a very good playoff team. Elite, once Kawhi arrived. This whole line-up super small ball line-up is fun, but there really is no precedence for this working. We already see how the scheme hasn't led us to an elite defense.

P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .O. Anunoby, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes line-up in 7 games is 107 DEFRTG

Interestingly, taking OG out and adding Boucher the rating looks great:
P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .C. Boucher, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes line-up in 4 games is 98.8 DEFRTG

Imagine adding in Turner over Boucher and you might have something special.