Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol

[Laimbeer]

Think we all overestimate the value of players.

If anyone proposed McGruder for Bol Bol on this site they'd have been ridiculed something fierce!

Grant, nor KO will bring back a haul - but we might be able to get a young prospect under team control.

Any playoff contender could look to make a push and those 2 might fetch something decent BUT I doubt either will land us what we consider to be a haul

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Robert Covington got a mid FRP and low FRP. Grant is considerably better.

[DBC10]

Think we all overestimate the value of players.

If anyone proposed McGruder for Bol Bol on this site they'd have been ridiculed something fierce!

Grant, nor KO will bring back a haul - but we might be able to get a young prospect under team control.

Any playoff contender could look to make a push and those 2 might fetch something decent BUT I doubt either will land us what we consider to be a haul

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Yep, guys get over valued in their home team fanbases all the time. Ours is no different

Grant will fetch positive value, but if people are expecting a young player plus multiple picks (aka a haul), be prepared to be disappointed in the actual results of a trade

[HoboBonobo]

Garza is much more skilled but will be exciting to see what he can do. Wondering if he will get sent down to the cruise at all.

Bol Bol was a predicted top 10 pick before his injury in college. He was like the 4th ranked player being recruited into college.

When he got play time in Denver, you could see his brilliance.

Luka has struggled almost every time he has come onto the court. He's literally the same speed as Bol Bol, without height, the handles, footwork, or creativity.

You watch basketball? Or just type stuff before actually knowing what you talk about?

[Sort]

First, Bol Bol is slow, but Garza is even slower. That said, Garza does have the fundamentals. His screens are way better than Bol will likely ever be. Garza also boxes out. His footwork down low is solid. He simply lacks huge amounts of athleticism.

For what Bol can really do, let's hope he gets 15 to 20 minutes a game at least to see. I'm certainly not that confident right now.

[zeebneeb]

Think we all overestimate the value of players.

If anyone proposed McGruder for Bol Bol on this site they'd have been ridiculed something fierce!

Grant, nor KO will bring back a haul - but we might be able to get a young prospect under team control.

Any playoff contender could look to make a push and those 2 might fetch something decent BUT I doubt either will land us what we consider to be a haul

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Broad generalization there, as context matters. In a vacuum, Grant's value is between a 4-6(Prime Lebron a 10)Good player, can do a lot of things, and plays defense.

Right now, in today's NBA, with a bunch of teams that feel they are actual contenders, and a bunch that are close to being actual contenders, and with how tight the standings are, and the position Grant plays(not to mention Olynyk), his value is grossly inflated.

It is not me who is "durp homer thinks player A is far more valuable then anyone else" it is the league who is doing that. I am just merely looking at the feild, and seeing a myriad of teams that would love to land either Grant, or Olynyk. This drives values up, not down.

A "haul" to me is landing a young player, and a few picks between the two of them,(Grant, Olynyk)not for each.

I would consider Williams for Grant straight up, a haul. (and whatever players added to match salaries)and Olynyk just garnering a decent pick or two.(plus whomever to match salaries)

Both of these players to me, on a rebuilding team, are value assets that can be moved for pieces that fit the timeline of the younger players+incoming lottery pick. Now that it's painfully obvious to everyone this team stinks to high heaven, both players don't fit here, and should be moved.

It would not surprise me in the least that both players go for far more then I stated either.

It's all up to Weaver on what happens. If he feels he wants to just add the lottery pick, and keep both fine, but the team better be vastly improved from this dumpster fire. There are teams out there that would love to land either player, and I suspect that offers are coming in daily for both.

[Billl]

Garza is much more skilled but will be exciting to see what he can do. Wondering if he will get sent down to the cruise at all.

Bol Bol was a predicted top 10 pick before his injury in college. He was like the 4th ranked player being recruited into college.

When he got play time in Denver, you could see his brilliance.

Luka has struggled almost every time he has come onto the court. He's literally the same speed as Bol Bol, without height, the handles, footwork, or creativity.

You watch basketball? Or just type stuff before actually knowing what you talk about?

You can't give someone an eye roll and then post about bol bol's "brilliance" in the NBA. I think he's hit double digits twice in 3 years. He hasn't had anything I would even describe as a good game, let alone a brilliant one. Everyone thought he had the potential to be a good player, but so far he hasn't lived up to any of that hype. Maybe a change of scenery will get him back on a positive path? Who knows.

[vege]

Think we all overestimate the value of players.

If anyone proposed McGruder for Bol Bol on this site they'd have been ridiculed something fierce!

Grant, nor KO will bring back a haul - but we might be able to get a young prospect under team control.

Any playoff contender could look to make a push and those 2 might fetch something decent BUT I doubt either will land us what we consider to be a haul

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Robert Covington got a mid FRP and low FRP. Grant is considerably better.

Weird post, since you have been saying Grant is worth a 1st (even a late one) recently in the TnT boards, but yes, this post right here is 100% spot on.

[Manocad]

Garza is much more skilled but will be exciting to see what he can do. Wondering if he will get sent down to the cruise at all.

Bol Bol was a predicted top 10 pick before his injury in college. He was like the 4th ranked player being recruited into college.

When he got play time in Denver, you could see his brilliance.

Luka has struggled almost every time he has come onto the court. He's literally the same speed as Bol Bol, without height, the handles, footwork, or creativity.

You watch basketball? Or just type stuff before actually knowing what you talk about?

Saying that Luka has struggled almost every time he has come onto the court and Bol has exhibited brilliance are hyperbole to the max. Garza certainly isn't without his limitations but basically has played at the level you'd expect from a late second round pick--likely will never be a real starter but shows the potential to be a contributing bench player. I'm not sure I'd put Bol at even that level, much less something a lot better. He just provides something different.

[Kilo]

This season's Hamidou Diallo trade.

[Rodman]

I would like to see either Stewart Garza or Lyles play alongside him. He needs someone with a sturdy build to protect him being so light. I think that lineup could be effective because he seems to possibly be a good three-point shooter.

[Invictus88]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to look at Bol Bol with a degree of skepticism. Outside of Yao Ming I can't really think of a single other hyped thin 7'+ ish center that really delivered. I'm thinking of players like Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, Tacko Fall (albeit less hype), Thon Maker.
I guess Mutumbo? But he had a much more proven record heading into the nba.

I think he'll block some shots because he's tall. He'll get some rebounds for the same reason. But I also think he'll get bodied and posterized in the post due to his thin frame.

He's in this third nba season and has played fewer games with far fewer minutes than Killian Hayes. He averages about 6 minutes per game. 6. He's already shown the typical injury history that plagues players his size: fractures in his feet.

I think that if Bol Bol really is the guy that will break the mold he needs to be more than a human victory cigar. So far there isn't any evidence this is the case.

[Drwho17]

Rodney McGruder is the one guy who, when he entered the game, everyone wondered what Casey was doing. There's just no spot for a vet like McGruder on this team. Not good enough to warrant playing time over the youth. In that sense, it is addition by subtraction. Maybe Weaver was also tired of seeing McGruder on the floor.

As for Bol Bol, there was talk of him being a lottery pick when he came out but his draft stock plummeted. Denver seemed like they made a brilliant move when they picked him up but he never played. I'm guessing he was a terrible interview and his attitude since becoming a pro hasn't improved much either. Denver fans say he might not even cross the half court line if the play wasn't designed for him. He's been called entitled and lazy. I don't have much in the way of expectations for Bol Bol, but I still think it is a very good trade. It clears up our backcourt and also there is the slight possibility that Bol Bol was just in a place that was a bad fit for him.

From a source close to him, part of the problem was his attitude, he is reportedly comes off as very entitled, he played at 4 different high schools and Oregon, no one would vouch for him is what was said, plus the injury caused him to fall to the 2nd round. The hope this fellow had was that he had been humbled and matured since being on Denver, but maybe not. We will see.

[bstein14]

Garza is much more skilled but will be exciting to see what he can do. Wondering if he will get sent down to the cruise at all.

Bol Bol was a predicted top 10 pick before his injury in college. He was like the 4th ranked player being recruited into college.

When he got play time in Denver, you could see his brilliance.

Luka has struggled almost every time he has come onto the court. He's literally the same speed as Bol Bol, without height, the handles, footwork, or creativity.

You watch basketball? Or just type stuff before actually knowing what you talk about?

Bol Bol is a physically gifted player at 7'2" with a 7'8" wingspan and 9'7" standing reach. Much like Drummond was a physically gifted big that was highly recruited coming out of high school and a top prospect in the draft. That doesn't mean Drummond came into the league with a great skill set.... more that he came into the league with physical gifts that. I have admittedly only seen college highlights(he only played 9 games against mostly weak out of conference opponents before going down with injury) and small amounts of his play in Denver so maybe he has shown more than I've seen, but overall he seems to mostly excel due to his quickness, size, and long arms. Those are physical things that allow him to do things not really a skillset that a player like Garza has. If Bol Bol had the footwork and post moves that Garza has, or the bball IQ, or the ability to pick and pop or pick and roll like Garza does I think he'd be out there getting playing time. He isn't an absolute stiff like many 90's big men were, but he certainly doesn't have the skillset that Garza. Garza is 6'11" with a 7'1" wingspan and 8'5" standing reach so he is never going to have the physical advantages that Bol Bol has.

That said, I still have some high hopes that Bol will end up being something decent for us. Even a good 15=20 MPG backup would be great for us for the small price we paid. Really I'd be happy with the same path for Garza.... become a good low minute backup solid rotation player for being a late 2nd rounder that's a huge win.

[rmfc]

Nice pick up. Hope Bol Bol can add some value to the 2nd unit.

[Kilo]

Nuggets very likely made him very available. So if Detroit's was the best offer in their opinion that still tells you what the rest of the league thinks about Bol.

I'm surprised McGruder was moved vs another salary match if the idea is Rodney will be waived and it was about salary and the late SRP.

[vic]

I think Bol Bol is going to be a good player for the Pistons. His only weakness is his basketball IQ.

He finishes plays at the 3 point line, he finishes lobs, he blocks shots, he gets to the rim in transition.

I think hes just a more turnover prone version of Chet Holmgren.

It's obvious he was buried behind Jokic and an old-school style coach. The same team Jerami Grant was buried in.

On the Pistons Bol Bol will look at lot better. I think he ends up being the 1st big off the bench on a good team.

[440BB]

Reading through Nuggets fans posts, there is a typical mix of those that thought he was a useless bum and those that thought he would do well if just given some playing time. Many in both camps appear to see the Pistons as a much better chance for him to develop.

I have no problem with Weaver taking a flyer on him. These are the years to get these player to find out whether they have more to offer than their last team thought.

[Snakebites]

Do we think Casey will have a directive to play him? Because otherwise I don't think PT is a given, the more I think about it. Especially not if/when Grant and Kelly return.

[Sort]

Do we think Casey will have a directive to play him? Because otherwise I don't think PT is a given, the more I think about it. Especially not if/when Grant and Kelly return.

Temporarily probably not, or at least not much once both return. But come trade deadline, at least one of them won't be here or Grant will manifest another imaginary lingering injury that causes him to miss multiple games.

On the other hand, does anyone have an explanation as to why Killian starts every game that isn't a directive?

[Manocad]

Do we think Casey will have a directive to play him? Because otherwise I don't think PT is a given, the more I think about it. Especially not if/when Grant and Kelly return.

I'd be willing to bet he's going to see SOME time pretty quickly just to see how he does with the guys here. As far as any directive to give him 15 or 20 minutes a game right out of the chute, I'd struggle to believe that's the case. I mean, the Pistons need some defense in the paint, he can hopefully provide that, and he was available. So it seems logical they're going to try him out but don't view him as much more than just a "we need a Bol Bol more than we need a Rodney McGruder" kinda thing.