Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[Seasontickets]

Rookie wall hits around this time - 30+ games into the season, Got COVID, living away from Florida, Freezing Toronto, on the floor as the 3/4th option - we're winning, and he's getting touches. No issues. He'll be great. Even OG's numbers are down recently.

Winning basketball requires sacrifice.

[Dude-niagara]

That's not how you build a team or a player.

That's your opinion, didn't stop LeBron or Giannis from reaching superstar potential. Cavaliers got rid of Larry Hughes, Bucks got rid of Jabari Parker, if he has the drive and the toughness then he'll get there, you either have it or you don't.

Not even making sense any more. Those two situations are not even comparable. AT ALL.

Let's see how things go when we start playing teams with all their players, I still believe this will be Barnes's team down the road and he will get to the point where he will be taking 20-25 shots a night on a regular basis and scoring 30 plus points. Hard to get into any flow or rhythm taking 6-10 shots a night. Part of that is on Scottie for being too unselfish and always looking to defer, he will learn that you pass to those who return the favour or fans will crap on you for poor stats. Which is happening right now, no one cares about the dirty work or fancy passes. All about points scored/rebounds which he was doing to start the season while Siakam was out and now is just a glorified garbage man. Guys/vets are not just going to let some rookie run the team and be the star or main guy, Scottie needs to take it. Look at the Nets game as an example. Was smoking hot to end regulation, got iced in OT and we lost.


You could argue that was the last most competitive team we faced because they had KD and Griffin/Mills playing. Schedule minus the Pistons game is about to get tougher.

[Madhouse]

He is clearly hurt. Questionable tomorrow with knee tendinitis.

The Raptors would be smart to shut him down for a while.

[Madhouse]

And everything that I predicted in the last thread and first pages of this thread is happening. Hell he is already now being called the least athletic player on the court.
I give it another 2 months before people completely turn on him and wish Raptors drafted someone else.

[Oakvillehoops]

Still afraid he never learns to be assertive. These wins are all nice and well, but disappointing that Scottie takes such a back seat to get them

[mdenny]

And everything that I predicted in the last thread and first pages of this thread is happening. Hell he is already now being called the least athletic player on the court.
I give it another 2 months before people completely turn on him and wish Raptors drafted someone else.

Bro. Relax. If ppl start hating on him in two months we can collectively deal with it then. In the meantime....if he has a rough game then ppl are gonna point it out.

[Madhouse]

He had better be nursing some kind of injury because he looks like the least athletic player on the court a lot of the time.

His inability to get to the rim in general is a concern. He’s been having success with his short push shots and half hooks off his post-ups but I can’t recall him just driving on his man and finishing with a layup.

Been saying it for the entire season, people just kept telling me about his stationary work out results while ignoring his actual athleticism on the court.

He doesn't have a quick first step, never blows by anyone, etc etc. There's some serious limitations that he has, it was a miracle he was playing so well despite those falws.

That's some BS you are spewing. The fact that he was playing well when given the opportunity to be more than 4th/5th option means he has clear strengths that is greater than sum of his weaknesses. To say it was a miracle he was playing so well despite his flaws is purely asinine.

A real concern is that we are only 2 seasons removed from watching a guy like Kawhi Leonard help carry us to a championship and some "fans" are spewing this garbage. He wasn't necessarily the most athletic guy in terms of jumping out the gym nor was he routinely blowing by people with athleticism but he was so effective and efficient because he knew how to get to the spot he wanted to get to and make plays that he wanted to make when he wanted to make it. That's something Scottie Barnes can learn to do eventually as he shows signs of being able to do it. Dude's only 20 years old, he does have abundance of talent that you'd be blind to not see, shows willingness to put in the work, and we have number of examples of players on our teams of past and present that have made jumps that people at the time did not think they would make. So excuse me for thinking your "concern" isn't much of one because there isn't only one way to be a superstar and he has enough talent that he can take the steps to legit try and become one if he puts in the work as he's already playing way above expectation well ahead of schedule.

The real concern is that he's clearly still adapting/learning to play a new role than what he used to play earlier in the season and hopefully he gets there soon without going through too much of a down period but at the same time, he needs to learn to pick his spots and not grow passive so he can pick it up when opportunity inevitably comes.

He’s going to struggle the rest of the season in this role especially if continues to deal with constant injuries while playing. Not sure if it’s a concern but people really shouldn’t have many expectations for Barnes the rest of the season and come in here and tell everyone how badly he played or how unathletic he is. The Raptors aren’t winning anything this year, Barnes should rest until he is 100% and then just accept he’s in a tough spot and make the most out of it. What consequences will result and follow that who knows.

[Madhouse]

And everything that I predicted in the last thread and first pages of this thread is happening. Hell he is already now being called the least athletic player on the court.
I give it another 2 months before people completely turn on him and wish Raptors drafted someone else.

Bro. Relax. If ppl start hating on him in two months we can collectively deal with it then. In the meantime....if he has a rough game then ppl are gonna point it out.

They will because everything that’s happening is very predictable. But I will keep my mouth shut about it now and keep coming back to my posts.

[mdenny]

Been saying it for the entire season, people just kept telling me about his stationary work out results while ignoring his actual athleticism on the court.

He doesn't have a quick first step, never blows by anyone, etc etc. There's some serious limitations that he has, it was a miracle he was playing so well despite those falws.

That's some BS you are spewing. The fact that he was playing well when given the opportunity to be more than 4th/5th option means he has clear strengths that is greater than sum of his weaknesses. To say it was a miracle he was playing so well despite his flaws is purely asinine.

A real concern is that we are only 2 seasons removed from watching a guy like Kawhi Leonard help carry us to a championship and some "fans" are spewing this garbage. He wasn't necessarily the most athletic guy in terms of jumping out the gym nor was he routinely blowing by people with athleticism but he was so effective and efficient because he knew how to get to the spot he wanted to get to and make plays that he wanted to make when he wanted to make it. That's something Scottie Barnes can learn to do eventually as he shows signs of being able to do it. Dude's only 20 years old, he does have abundance of talent that you'd be blind to not see, shows willingness to put in the work, and we have number of examples of players on our teams of past and present that have made jumps that people at the time did not think they would make. So excuse me for thinking your "concern" isn't much of one because there isn't only one way to be a superstar and he has enough talent that he can take the steps to legit try and become one if he puts in the work as he's already playing way above expectation well ahead of schedule.

The real concern is that he's clearly still adapting/learning to play a new role than what he used to play earlier in the season and hopefully he gets there soon without going through too much of a down period but at the same time, he needs to learn to pick his spots and not grow passive so he can pick it up when opportunity inevitably comes.

He’s going to struggle the rest of the season in this role especially if continues to deal with constant injuries while playing. Not sure if it’s a concern but people really shouldn’t have many expectations for Barnes the rest of the season and come in here and tell everyone how badly he played or how unathletic he is. The Raptors aren’t winning anything this year, Barnes should rest until he is 100% and then just accept he’s in a tough spot and make the most out of it. What consequences will result and follow that who knows.

Can only speak for myself....but I have no expectations for Barnes stats. I'm more interested in how his defense develops at this point anyways. Also....the way I perceive Barnes....he's gonna be the type of guy who's impact can't be fully expressed by boxscore stats. I think he has a much higher ceiling than someone like Draymond Green....but similar in that he can have a great game without necessarily filling up the stat sheet.

[rrdjutriurt]

Here's hoping that the nagging injuries Scottie has suffered since the start of the season does not become a recurring theme. Those quick to turn over the keys to the excellent rookie had better hope he is a little more robust then he has shown so far. Even minor injuries have caused a major drop off in aggression in his play. It has nothing to do with his pecking order on the floor like many have suggested. When healthy he rises above it all regardless of who is on the floor.

[RaptorReloaded]

My only concern is playing him at C. It’s leading to injuries.

[VC15Era]

he had a chance to be a legit ROTY canadidate until I saw him have to guard C's... should of been a developmental year not the Freddy/Pascal/Trent show.. him camping in the corners isn't his game either... not sure wtf is going on.

[Dude-niagara]

he had a chance to be a legit ROTY canadidate until I saw him have to guard C's... should of been a developmental year not the Freddy/Pascal/Trent show.. him camping in the corners isn't his game either... not sure wtf is going on.

Loved like a all star to start the season and then Siakam showed up,

[Anticon]

He had better be nursing some kind of injury because he looks like the least athletic player on the court a lot of the time.

His inability to get to the rim in general is a concern. He’s been having success with his short push shots and half hooks off his post-ups but I can’t recall him just driving on his man and finishing with a layup.

Been saying it for the entire season, people just kept telling me about his stationary work out results while ignoring his actual athleticism on the court.

He doesn't have a quick first step, never blows by anyone, etc etc. There's some serious limitations that he has, it was a miracle he was playing so well despite those falws.

Yeah to me he's looks a like the somewhat sluggish player you could see in those clips from FSU.

That said...injuries, COVID, rookie wall, no longer being a first, second, third or fourth option...it's not a surprise he'd look worse.

He showed a lot of variety on offence earlier in the year, which I expect he'll get the chance to do again at some point this year.

[720]

he had a chance to be a legit ROTY canadidate until I saw him have to guard C's... should of been a developmental year not the Freddy/Pascal/Trent show.. him camping in the corners isn't his game either... not sure wtf is going on.

Loved like a all star to start the season and then Siakam showed up,

Siakam and Barnes can coexist. It's Fred taking control of 30-40 possessions a game that's the problem. Lots of ball watching for the rookie.

[720]

He has become the garbage man of this team. Our priority should be his development and growth instead we have him guarding bigs and doing the dirty work so role players like Fred and Gary can stat pad and boost that leverage for their next contract negotiations.

[hype_2004]

he had a chance to be a legit ROTY canadidate until I saw him have to guard C's... should of been a developmental year not the Freddy/Pascal/Trent show.. him camping in the corners isn't his game either... not sure wtf is going on.

What's going on is Nick Nurse and the vets, Scottie will earn his due, next year or the year after, this is a developmental year. I have no worries about his development, he has superior ball IQ and measurable. He's the type of player that will find his way on the team in the future.

[ATLTimekeeper]

He has become the garbage man of this team. Our priority should be his development and growth instead we have him guarding bigs and doing the dirty work so role players like Fred and Gary can stat pad and boost that leverage for their next contract negotiations.

You want Fred and Gary to guard bigs? Or, you don't think the do "dirty work"? This is some petty analysis. I think you're better than this. Take the Ls in stride.

[720]

He has become the garbage man of this team. Our priority should be his development and growth instead we have him guarding bigs and doing the dirty work so role players like Fred and Gary can stat pad and boost that leverage for their next contract negotiations.

You want Fred and Gary to guard bigs? Or, you don't think the do "dirty work"? This is some petty analysis. I think you're better than this. Take the Ls in stride.

I’m fine with Barnes guarding bigs but it’s clear he isn’t used to it at his current rate. He’s breaking down every other game with some random ailment and looks like he’s playing through pain. Have Siakam do it more, he did it quite a bit last year he’s used to it.

The only L is our team treating our rookie like he’s old man Marc Gasol so that the guys that have 1 year left in their contracts (Gary and Fred) can stat pad during a supposed development season.

[VC15Era]

The way he is walking and limping out there... sometimes I think he is knee is going to give out... should just be on the injured list.. let him fully heal.. "learn from the sidelines" let the stat huggers do there thing..