Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

[Wiltside]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

Probably not a surprise that majority of that list are scoring guards.

[Heat_Down_Under]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

Harden was never a good defender.. Aslong as Herro can somewhat become an offensive juggernaut will be fine.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

Harden was never a good defender.. Aslong as Herro can somewhat become an offensive juggernaut will be fine.

Harden improved a ton there and is one of the best offensive players ever. It would be nice though

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Shewasfly]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

Like 4 of the people on that list people have mentioned trading Tyler for lol So swap out older players with virtually the same upside and issues. Makes no sense.

There are quite a few players I'd def trade Tyler for, but none off the list. Donovan Mitchell for one, who is probably growing increasingly sick of Utah. Might drag Wade's ass back here too.

[Shewasfly]

It looks like people were talking about if our current roster is enough for a championship. I'm gonna be Debbie Downer and say no. We can't get wrapped up in the same illusion we did with the bubble. We are playing well and Spo is coaching his ass off, but we have been slightly benefitting from teams not knowing who the hell our players are. The element of surprise. We have a team that should be good enough to make the ECF and put up a nice fight though, unless we get really **** seeding. But we're not going to beat the Nets with this lineup. And there are a few teams in the West I can't see us beating in 7 games either.

Only way I think we have enough is if Bam makes a big leap offensively when he returns. A lot depends on him. If he can be somewhat what a lot of us think he can be offensively, we have a shot. But your 2nd best player essentially not being a serious threat to score gets you an ECF exit at best, even if the rest of the cast is above average and very cohesive. His superior defense isn't enough to cover for that at the contender level imo.

[carnageta]

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Bam is great but he's behind Jokic and Embiid for sure. Perhaps even behind guys like KAT and AD (although he's more of a pf). Top 5 C for sure though.

[puppa bear]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

Like 4 of the people on that list people have mentioned trading Tyler for lol So swap out older players with virtually the same upside and issues. Makes no sense.

There are quite a few players I'd def trade Tyler for, but none off the list. Donovan Mitchell for one, who is probably growing increasingly sick of Utah. Might drag Wade's ass back here too.

I think Dame is the only person on that list that anyone was seriously suggesting trading Herro for. But with Lowry, it’s now not the right play.

Mitchell would be my #1 choice for a target, he has the potential to have a career like Beal/Wade and has connections with Bam. He’s a now & future type trade: he can add now and his prime window aligns perfectly with Bam’s. Honestly, until a few days ago I would have never thought he could even be a possible target as anything but a FA - landscapes can change super quickly in the NBA!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

Like 4 of the people on that list people have mentioned trading Tyler for lol So swap out older players with virtually the same upside and issues. Makes no sense.

There are quite a few players I'd def trade Tyler for, but none off the list. Donovan Mitchell for one, who is probably growing increasingly sick of Utah. Might drag Wade's ass back here too.

I’d only trade him for Dame off that list.

[Heat_Down_Under]

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Bam is great but he's behind Jokic and Embiid for sure. Perhaps even behind guys like KAT and AD (although he's more of a pf). Top 5 C for sure though.

Yeah no way bam is second best C in the league. Maybe top 5 at best and that’s being generous

[RexBoyWonder]

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Need Herro to improve here, im not sure he can. Maybe he can become a good team defender like Steph at least

Like 4 of the people on that list people have mentioned trading Tyler for lol So swap out older players with virtually the same upside and issues. Makes no sense.

There are quite a few players I'd def trade Tyler for, but none off the list. Donovan Mitchell for one, who is probably growing increasingly sick of Utah. Might drag Wade's ass back here too.

I’d only trade him for Dame off that list.

We might be seeing Dame starting to decline/break down. I don't want to pay him 50 Mil for the next 5 years.

Donovan is the guy. He's got Heat written all over him. I'm just not sure we'll have have enough assets to trade for him before he becomes a free agent.

[RexBoyWonder]

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Bam is great but he's behind Jokic and Embiid for sure. Perhaps even behind guys like KAT and AD (although he's more of a pf). Top 5 C for sure though.

Yeah no way bam is second best C in the league. Maybe top 5 at best and that’s being generous

Jokic
Embiid

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Bam
Davis (health)
Towns (defefnse)
Mobley (youth)

Bam is somewhere on that second group, I want to see him play aggressive and improve his scoring to establish himself as the third best overall and the top dog of that second group.

[Kobewade11]

It looks like people were talking about if our current roster is enough for a championship. I'm gonna be Debbie Downer and say no. We can't get wrapped up in the same illusion we did with the bubble. We are playing well and Spo is coaching his ass off, but we have been slightly benefitting from teams not knowing who the hell our players are. The element of surprise. We have a team that should be good enough to make the ECF and put up a nice fight though, unless we get really **** seeding. But we're not going to beat the Nets with this lineup. And there are a few teams in the West I can't see us beating in 7 games either.

Only way I think we have enough is if Bam makes a big leap offensively when he returns. A lot depends on him. If he can be somewhat what a lot of us think he can be offensively, we have a shot. But your 2nd best player essentially not being a serious threat to score gets you an ECF exit at best, even if the rest of the cast is above average and very cohesive. His superior defense isn't enough to cover for that at the contender level imo.

On one hand you're right that a lot of these players aren't showing up on scouting reports (Yurtseven, Martin, Guy, etc.). But on the other hand those aren't the guys we are going to be banking on in the playoffs. The playoffs is going to be about Lowry, Jimmy, Bam, Herro, PJ, getting a healthy Morris back, Oladipo, and hopefully to a lesser extent Duncan's hot and cold ass. It might require some of the luck Milwaukee got last year but it's definitely a core group that can contend.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Like 4 of the people on that list people have mentioned trading Tyler for lol So swap out older players with virtually the same upside and issues. Makes no sense.

There are quite a few players I'd def trade Tyler for, but none off the list. Donovan Mitchell for one, who is probably growing increasingly sick of Utah. Might drag Wade's ass back here too.

I’d only trade him for Dame off that list.

We might be seeing Dame starting to decline/break down. I don't want to pay him 50 Mil for the next 5 years.

Donovan is the guy. He's got Heat written all over him. I'm just not sure we'll have have enough assets to trade for him before he becomes a free agent.

Free agency or trade, Donovan will be here one day to play with Bam. The seeds have been planted

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Bam is great but he's behind Jokic and Embiid for sure. Perhaps even behind guys like KAT and AD (although he's more of a pf). Top 5 C for sure though.

Yeah no way bam is second best C in the league. Maybe top 5 at best and that’s being generous

Name 5 centers that are better than him.

He’s averaging 19-10-3 in a season he’s seeming to struggle a little and he’s the best defender in the world. 1 of maybe 5 players in the league that can guard 1 through 5

[greg4012]

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Full context of quote:

I think he’s the best big in the league behind Nikola Jokic because of his athletic versatility, his passing, he can play big or small, and guard on the perimeter,” one NBA general manager told HoopsHype. “I’m thinking about the playoffs, not the regular season. He can beat Rudy Gobert down the floor and guard Joel Embiid. He can match up with Giannis Antetokounmpo if the [Milwaukee] Bucks go small. He’s good at preventing guys from getting to their spots and taking comfortable shots. I don’t know what else you want from your five?”

Bam's skillset is uniquely valuable with how modern NBA playoffs unfold (as long as he doesn't go full gunshy with his shooting again).

[al bondiga]

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Bam is great but he's behind Jokic and Embiid for sure. Perhaps even behind guys like KAT and AD (although he's more of a pf). Top 5 C for sure though.

bam is not a center.

So of course not he's not one of the best centers in the league... it is by definition

bam is one of the best big men behind gianis Jokic AD kat and maybe a few more...bam might be top 10 big men, might (no homerisms just objectivity)

[gom]

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Harlow byke

Yes! I'm really intrigued by this kid.

Someone give me a break down.

He's been on the Kings, so maybe gom will have some info. However, he's been on the Kings so the evidence is very subjective.

I agree caution is warranted with drawing too many conclusions from his Kings performance. He was there two seasons. Garbage minutes only in thee first season. Three appearances. Longest 5 minutes. The entire season he was 2 for 5 shooting and no threes. He looked very small on court. Still does to me. Second season he got a lot more opportunities and largely showed that he isn't good enough to play in the NBA even on the Kings. There was one game though when the Curry less Warriors came to town and Guy was 4 of 6 from beyond the arc, 17/6/4 in 22 minutes. The Kings made over a 140 pts in the game though, so it's not like it was that weird.

The player we've seen the last couple games is different. Maybe the prospect of playing outside of Sacramento was what he needed. I can relate.

[gom]

Sign me up for the Bam-Donovan pairing too. That would be delightful.