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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1481 » by KevinKnoxNYC » Sun Jan 9, 2022 7:25 pm

Zenzibar wrote:Pretending We Can Vaccinate Our Way Out of This Pandemic Is Dangerous — Especially for Kids
Are we setting up our populations — and dangerously, our children — for disaster, with imperfect and sub-optimal immune priming caused by vaccines that do not stop infection or transmission?

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Would the doctrine of the “Original Antigenic Sin” (OAS) play a heavy role in the existing COVID vaccine strategy — due to the sub-optimal, non-sterilizing, imperfect COVID-19 vaccine?

Experts agree we should never have tried to vaccinate our way out of a pandemic while in a pandemic.

According to the OAS by Dr. Thomas Francis, the initial priming of the immune system (initial exposure to the virus, either in the wild or via a vaccine) gets ‘fixed’ for life. If the initial priming of the immune system is sub-optimal and biased, then that sub-optimal initial priming can effectively derange and bias the immune response long-term, which would guide all future immunological responses.

We should have known that this initial priming, if deranged and wrong, would severely stagger and hobble our immune response for the rest of our lives.

And so, are we setting up our populations — and dangerously, our children — for disaster? With this imperfect and sub-optimal immune priming using COVID vaccines that do not stop infection or transmission in the first place?

The COVID-19 vaccines being administered in the U.S. only reduce symptoms, thus allowing the host to stay alive (an evolutionary future it did not have) while remaining capable of transmitting.

Evidence shows vaccinated persons are indeed susceptible to infection, and as alarmingly, carry as high a viral load as the unvaccinated.

Moreover, vaccinated persons are likely to spread the virus to other members of their household.

Are we about to rob our children of their most precious gift — a robust, durable, potent natural innate immunity with these imperfect leaky vaccines — an immunity that has always protected them and helps reduce the infectious pressure and helps contribute to population herd immunity? With vaccines that have been shown to be harmful?

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I argue we could potentially kill many children with these vaccines because we simply have not done the proper safety tests and studies for the proper duration of follow-up, so as to “exclude harms.”

If we have not conducted the proper studies, how could we justify the safety of these vaccines for our children? To do so is dangerous and reckless, as it deceives the public and parents. It is illogical and irresponsible, and without any credible basis.

We do not know what will happen to our healthy children long-term. This is potentially catastrophic if COVID mass vaccination is allowed in our children.

These public health officials at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Institutes of Health (NIH), National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) — including Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Rochelle Walensky — have made no valid case as to why our children warrant these vaccines.

Yet they are seeking to vaccinate healthy children with near statistical zero risk — with only the opportunity for harm and no opportunity for benefit.

In addition to the OAS, Read et al also provided us a roadmap to these vaccine and immune system challenges, in their treatise on Marek’s disease in chickens.

In their seminal 2015 PLOS paper, the authors argued some vaccines may boost and enhance the fitness of more virulent strains. They asked a simple question: Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens?

We say “yes!” This can be explained by natural selection which selects out or culls pathogen strains/variants that are so lethal or “hot” they could kill their hosts if they survive and, thus, inadvertently, kill themselves.

Marek’s disease effect and vaccination may well be at play here with COVID vaccines — moderating symptoms while not stopping infection or transmission, thus posing a danger to the unvaccinated and vaccinated.

We — or at least the virologists and immunologists and vaccine developers — should also have understood the COVID vaccines would drive antibodies against the spike glycoprotein only, while our natural-exposure infection immune response will be broad, robust, durable, long-term — providing immunity against the spike (S) protein, the membrane protein, the nucleocapsid (N) protein, and all the epitopes on the viral ball and all conserved parts of the virus.

No COVID vaccine immunity could be equal to or better than naturally acquired immunity. This should have never even been in question. Assertions otherwise by the CDC, NIH, NIAID or vaccine developers are outright falsehoods and means to deceive the public.

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We should have known we could never achieve “zero COVID” as this is a mutable respiratory pathogen. This means, similar to flu and cold viruses, COVID mutates often.

This is what viruses do. They exist to replicate, and the replicating process of their genetic material is unstable and imperfect. Because there are errors in the replication of the genetic material, there will always be mutations.

For example, the original SARS-CoV-2 was the Wuhan strain — now it is the Delta variant. The vaccine for the original strain cannot hit the mutated spike, as the mutations occur on the spike. That’s why we have the immune escape.

So no matter what vaccine you make, you will not be able to vaccinate for the right strain or variant at any time, as the virus would have mutated by the time we vaccinate.

You can never get ahead of a mutating virus with a vaccine.

This is especially true given COVID has an animal reservoir. The virus lives stably in the bat population. Unless we kill off all the bats — and their intermediate hosts, which include civet cats and raccoon dogs and camels — we will always have a “reservoir” for the virus, in animals. Infected animals can in turn infect humans who get close to or interact with them.

This is a very different pathogen and approach than the one taken with smallpox, which did not have an animal reservoir — we only had to remove smallpox from the human population, we didn’t need to worry about it spilling over from other species.

According to Dr. Robert Malone, “The idea that if you have a workplace where everybody’s vaccinated, you’re not going to have virus spread is totally false … a total lie … the vaccinated are actually the “super-spreaders” that everyone was told about in the beginning of the pandemic.”

Malone further states, “if the government isn’t going to disclose what the [vaccine] risks are, and they’re not going to disclose what’s really going on because they think that you can’t handle the news … this is called the noble lie.”

Are we closer to understanding now that vaccinating for COVID under tremendous infectious and vaccine pressure (and ecological pressure) would drive immune escape? That this strategy is indeed a recipe for disaster?

Could COVID-19 vaccines be enhancing the evolution of variants/mutants that are more infectious and capable of spreading much faster and with greater lethality?

Are these COVID-19 vaccines sub-optimally priming the immune system for long-term skewed deranged responding?

Could the use of ‘imperfect’ sub-optimal vaccines enhance the progression of variants that place unvaccinated persons at elevated evolutionary risk of very severe illness, including death? Our children? Is this Marek 2.0?

Where are the safeguards when the proper studies were not done by the vaccine developers, and where is the FDA as the top regulator, in protecting the health and well-being of our children?

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Dr. Janet Woodcock, as the head of the FDA, where are you in this? You could not be informed by the science, for there is none to support this grossly reckless and absurd push to vaccinate children.

What is going on here? This certainly is not “about the science.”

I challenge any public health official to sit down with me and my scientific colleagues and explain your science. Debate us. Show us what you are looking at to arrive at these very dangerous statements and decisions.

We may end up killing many children with these vaccines. In fact, not ‘we’, ‘you’ — Fauci and Walensky and Dr. Francis Collins — may end up killing many of our children.

Please stop this insanity, step back and focus on the vulnerable and elderly where there is risk. Leave the children alone!

“If the CDC, NIH, FDA (Walensky, Fauci, Collins, Marks, Woodcock), vaccine developers and all involved in these COVID vaccines, all the television medical experts, all who are absolved thanks to liability protection, if you feel so strongly that these are safe for our children, then do the right thing: Put take liability protection off the table. Stand by the vaccine’s safety. Put some skin in the game — for as we speak, only our healthy children are carrying risk and I fear it could be potentially catastrophic for them.


Paul Elias Alexander

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Alexander

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/authors/paul-elias-alexander-ph-d/

Paul Elias Alexander is a Canadian health researcher and a former Trump administration official at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) during the COVID-19 pandemic. Alexander was recruited from his part-time, unpaid position at McMaster University to serve as an aide to HHS assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo in March 2020. In that role, Alexander pressured federal scientists and public health agencies to suppress and edit their COVID-19 analyses to make them consistent with Trump's rhetoric.

Within the Trump Administration, Alexander advocated for a strategy of mass infection of the public with COVID-19 to build herd immunity. He sought to muzzle federal scientists and public health agencies to prevent them from contradicting the Trump Administration's political talking points.

Alexander and Caputo came under scrutiny for their months-long efforts to exert control over the public messaging of scientists and health officials regarding the coronavirus pandemic in the United States, in particular for efforts to influence the public messaging of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) so that it would be more compatible with Trump's public statements.[6][2][9] Alexander's efforts were focused on the CDC's widely read Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), which Caputo and Alexander regarded as containing "political content"; Alexander tried unsuccessfully to get all issues of MMWR held up until personally approved by him.[10]

Emails written by Alexander and Caputo detailed an attempt to silence career CDC scientists and question their findings as part of what current and former CDC officials called a "campaign of bullying and intimidation" that stretched for five months.[11] After Dr. Anne Schuchat, the principal deputy director of the CDC, who worked at the agency for 32 years, gave an interview to the Journal of the American Medical Association in which she urged the use of face masks to prevent the spread of the virus, Alexander emailed Caputo calling Schuchat "duplicitous" and claimed, "Her aim is to embarrass the president."[11] On June 20, 2020, Alexander sent a message to CDC Director Robert R. Redfield, criticizing a CDC report about risks to pregnant women from COVID-19. Alexander said that the report, whose limitations the CDC had acknowledged, would "frighten women" and give the impression that "the President and his administration can't fix this and it is getting worse". He said that in his "opinion and sense" the CDC was "undermining the president by what they put out".[12] A congressional committee has asked him to testify in September to give information about his interactions with CDC. On August 8, 2020, Alexander wrote to Redfield that "CDC to me appears to be writing hit pieces on the administration"; he asked Redfield to change reports that had already been published and demanded that he be allowed to review and edit MMWR before publication.[9]

In August and early September 2020, Alexander sent several messages to press officers at the National Institutes of Health attempting to direct Dr. Anthony Fauci's media comments.[4] In an August 2020 email to HHS officials, Alexander claimed that Fauci was "scaring the nation wrongfully."[2] Alexander demanded, among other things, that Fauci should refrain from promoting the wearing of masks by children in school and COVID-19 testing of children.[4] Fauci later said that he had not received the messages and would not have been influenced by them if he had.[4] In emails in September 2020, Alexander celebrated two instances in which he said CDC officials had bowed to his pressure to water down information in CDC reports. Two days later, he asked Scott Atlas, then an advisor to the Trump White House, to assist him in disputing a CDC report on COVID-19 deaths; Atlas, Alexander, and others wrote a number of op-eds to counter warnings from federal scientists.[2] Caputo and Alexander also strategized on how to underplay the virus and push for a rapid end to COVID-19-related restrictions on business.[2] The emails were later obtained by the House Select Oversight Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis.[2]

In a Facebook Live video posted on his personal website on September 14, 2020, Caputo promoted a variety of unfounded accusations and conspiracy theories,[13][14][15] including the idea that the CDC harbored a "resistance unit" to undermine Trump; Caputo also accused various scientists of "sedition" and "rotten science".[13] In the same video, Caputo called Alexander a "genius" and defended his actions.[13][6] Two days later, HHS announced that Caputo would take a 60-day medical leave of absence from HHS, and that Alexander would permanently leave the department.[6][16] At a Senate hearing the same day, Redfield said he was "deeply saddened" by Caputo's claims, said they are "not true", and said that "The scientific integrity of the MMWR has not been compromised, and will not be compromised on my watch."[6]

McMaster University distanced itself from Alexander, saying, "As a consultant, he is not speaking on behalf of McMaster University or the Department of Health Research Methods, Evidence, and Impact."[6]

In an interview with the Toronto Globe and Mail after his departure from HHS, Alexander defended his actions, stating that he had wanted the CDC to make their reports "more upbeat so that people would feel more confident going out and spending money", and that he "did not think agencies should contradict any president's policy".[17] Alexander also asserted that he was better suited than CDC scientists to assess data, saying: "None of those people have my skills. I make the judgment whether this is crap."

Link to the website hosting the above article

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/children-immune-priming-covid-vaccines-infection-transmission/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/authors/paul-elias-alexander-ph-d/

Children's Health Defense is an American activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine activities and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.[1][2][3][4][5] Founded under the name World Mercury Project in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[6][7] The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water.[8] The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation.[9][10][11] Arguments against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.[12][13][14][15] The group is a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit.[16]

Children's Health Defense is using social media and internet advertising to propagate anti-vaccination messages, targeting young parents and minorities in the United States.[1][2] During the COVID-19 pandemic, those communications attempted to downplay the risk posed by the virus, to argue the new vaccines are dangerous, and to undermine public health authorities. The Center for Countering Digital Hate identifies the group as one of the leaders of the anti-vaccination movement online.[3]

The organization targets Black Americans with messaging linking COVID-19 vaccination with the Tuskegee Syphilis Study and other instances when ethical violations have been committed against minorities as part of medical studies. Such interventions are likely to hurt the Black community by increasing vaccine hesitancy within that vulnerable population.[29] Echoing other actors in the anti-vaccination movement and Nation of Islam, Children's Health Defense claims that the United States government seeks to harm ethnic minorities by prioritizing them for COVID vaccines. The conspiracy theory is elaborated upon in an hour-long video production released in March 2021 by Children's Health Defense and Kennedy, along with recycled anti-vaccination stories about autism, Bill Gates and the Centers for Disease Control. Like other such conspiracy theory videos, it inserts true historical events into its narrative to make its fantastic claims appear more believable.[1][30]

In step with the QAnon movement, their Instagram promotes the "Great Reset" theory and identifies "Big Pharma" as part of "the real deep state".[3]

A study found Children's Health Defense was one of major buyers of anti-vaccine Facebook advertising in December 2018 and February 2019, the other being Stop Mandatory Vaccination. Heavily targeting women and young couples, the advertising highlighted the alleged risks of vaccines and asked for donations.[2][31] According to an analysis by NBC News, the group is one of three major sources of false claims on vaccination shared on the internet, the other two being the fake news site Natural News and the website Stop Mandatory Vaccination.[4] Facebook subsequently refused to carry anti-vaccination advertising from the group.[32][1]
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1482 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jan 9, 2022 7:40 pm

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1483 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:23 pm

It turns out the investigation is going even better than I had hoped for. The committee has been leaking hints the past week and this one is unusual. Hype would be deadly as it would overly politicize the process, so it really must mean they’ve uncovered a provable conspiracy. The public hearings are going to be historical.

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https://www.alternet.org/2022/01/jamie-raskin-jan-6/

U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) revealed former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham named many people he had not heard about in connection with the January 6 insurrection, and promised Americans will be stunned when the House Select Committee on the Attack delivers its report.

“America is going to be shocked and surprised at what we all come to learn this year,” Congressman Raskin told CNN Thursday night, one year after the violent and deadly insurrection.

He also said that Grisham gave him “a lot of names I had not heard before” and “identified some minds of inquiry that had never occurred to me” prior to her Wednesday interview with the committee.

Separately, Grisham on Thursday revealed she and more than a dozen other former Trump officials are meeting next week to discuss how to “stop” the former president, Donald Trump, from succeeding in his attempt to destroy democracy, and to get re-elected.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1484 » by Jethrobodine123 » Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:57 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:It turns out the investigation is going even better than I had hoped for. The committee has been leaking hints the past week and this one is unusual. Hype would be deadly as it would overly politicize the process, so it really must mean they’ve uncovered a provable conspiracy. The public hearings are going to be historical.

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https://www.alternet.org/2022/01/jamie-raskin-jan-6/

U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) revealed former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham named many people he had not heard about in connection with the January 6 insurrection, and promised Americans will be stunned when the House Select Committee on the Attack delivers its report.

“America is going to be shocked and surprised at what we all come to learn this year,” Congressman Raskin told CNN Thursday night, one year after the violent and deadly insurrection.

He also said that Grisham gave him “a lot of names I had not heard before” and “identified some minds of inquiry that had never occurred to me” prior to her Wednesday interview with the committee.

Separately, Grisham on Thursday revealed she and more than a dozen other former Trump officials are meeting next week to discuss how to “stop” the former president, Donald Trump, from succeeding in his attempt to destroy democracy, and to get re-elected.


I wish that I was as hopeful as you are about the leaders being held responsible. Here's hoping that is the case because there is so so much counting on the Jan 6 investigation from both the committee and the DOJ. I totally agree that the public hearings are going to be uber important, they have to be broadcast, hopefully on prime time and they need to lay it out for all to see. It could even have an effect on the outcome of the midterms, it's that important.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1485 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:06 pm

Jethrobodine123 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:It turns out the investigation is going even better than I had hoped for. The committee has been leaking hints the past week and this one is unusual. Hype would be deadly as it would overly politicize the process, so it really must mean they’ve uncovered a provable conspiracy. The public hearings are going to be historical.

Read on Twitter


https://www.alternet.org/2022/01/jamie-raskin-jan-6/

U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) revealed former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham named many people he had not heard about in connection with the January 6 insurrection, and promised Americans will be stunned when the House Select Committee on the Attack delivers its report.

“America is going to be shocked and surprised at what we all come to learn this year,” Congressman Raskin told CNN Thursday night, one year after the violent and deadly insurrection.

He also said that Grisham gave him “a lot of names I had not heard before” and “identified some minds of inquiry that had never occurred to me” prior to her Wednesday interview with the committee.

Separately, Grisham on Thursday revealed she and more than a dozen other former Trump officials are meeting next week to discuss how to “stop” the former president, Donald Trump, from succeeding in his attempt to destroy democracy, and to get re-elected.


I wish that I was as hopeful as you are about the leaders being held responsible. Here's hoping that is the case because there is so so much counting on the Jan 6 investigation from both the committee and the DOJ. I totally agree that the public hearings are going to be uber important, they have to be broadcast, hopefully on prime time and they need to lay it out for all to see. It could even have an effect on the outcome of the midterms, it's that important.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1486 » by Zenzibar » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:32 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
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This is beyond a joke. Stop believing everything you read fam. BTW, after speaking with a hospital nurse, hospitals in the Bronx are now over-flowing with people moreso than normal yearly flu numbers.

Meanwhile big Pharma and their investors like Bill Gates making billions on fear mongering.


What does Bill Gates have to do with covid in particular?

Are you trying to say just because he was so far ahead of the curve about the threat of viruses to humanity that means he was always in bed with big pharma and this was a giant plot to enrich himself when he has already shown he doesn't care about increasing his wealth?


Yes I do.
1. That Bill Gates is a major stakeholder and was basically booted out of India to his Gates Foundation passing out vaccines that made many women there sterile.
2. Then coincidently there are reports of women becoming sterile application of these vaccines.
3. That some boys, after vaccination, have their testosterone levels drop to where they impotent.
4. That Bill Gates is an advocate of the Global reduction of the population.


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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1487 » by Zenzibar » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:36 pm

KevinKnoxNYC wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Pretending We Can Vaccinate Our Way Out of This Pandemic Is Dangerous — Especially for Kids
Are we setting up our populations — and dangerously, our children — for disaster, with imperfect and sub-optimal immune priming caused by vaccines that do not stop infection or transmission?

By
Paul Elias Alexander, Ph.D.


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Experts agree we should never have tried to vaccinate our way out of a pandemic while in a pandemic.
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Would the doctrine of the “Original Antigenic Sin” (OAS) play a heavy role in the existing COVID vaccine strategy — due to the sub-optimal, non-sterilizing, imperfect COVID-19 vaccine?

Experts agree we should never have tried to vaccinate our way out of a pandemic while in a pandemic.

According to the OAS by Dr. Thomas Francis, the initial priming of the immune system (initial exposure to the virus, either in the wild or via a vaccine) gets ‘fixed’ for life. If the initial priming of the immune system is sub-optimal and biased, then that sub-optimal initial priming can effectively derange and bias the immune response long-term, which would guide all future immunological responses.

We should have known that this initial priming, if deranged and wrong, would severely stagger and hobble our immune response for the rest of our lives.

And so, are we setting up our populations — and dangerously, our children — for disaster? With this imperfect and sub-optimal immune priming using COVID vaccines that do not stop infection or transmission in the first place?

The COVID-19 vaccines being administered in the U.S. only reduce symptoms, thus allowing the host to stay alive (an evolutionary future it did not have) while remaining capable of transmitting.

Evidence shows vaccinated persons are indeed susceptible to infection, and as alarmingly, carry as high a viral load as the unvaccinated.

Moreover, vaccinated persons are likely to spread the virus to other members of their household.

Are we about to rob our children of their most precious gift — a robust, durable, potent natural innate immunity with these imperfect leaky vaccines — an immunity that has always protected them and helps reduce the infectious pressure and helps contribute to population herd immunity? With vaccines that have been shown to be harmful?

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I argue we could potentially kill many children with these vaccines because we simply have not done the proper safety tests and studies for the proper duration of follow-up, so as to “exclude harms.”

If we have not conducted the proper studies, how could we justify the safety of these vaccines for our children? To do so is dangerous and reckless, as it deceives the public and parents. It is illogical and irresponsible, and without any credible basis.

We do not know what will happen to our healthy children long-term. This is potentially catastrophic if COVID mass vaccination is allowed in our children.

These public health officials at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Institutes of Health (NIH), National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) — including Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Rochelle Walensky — have made no valid case as to why our children warrant these vaccines.

Yet they are seeking to vaccinate healthy children with near statistical zero risk — with only the opportunity for harm and no opportunity for benefit.

In addition to the OAS, Read et al also provided us a roadmap to these vaccine and immune system challenges, in their treatise on Marek’s disease in chickens.

In their seminal 2015 PLOS paper, the authors argued some vaccines may boost and enhance the fitness of more virulent strains. They asked a simple question: Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens?

We say “yes!” This can be explained by natural selection which selects out or culls pathogen strains/variants that are so lethal or “hot” they could kill their hosts if they survive and, thus, inadvertently, kill themselves.

Marek’s disease effect and vaccination may well be at play here with COVID vaccines — moderating symptoms while not stopping infection or transmission, thus posing a danger to the unvaccinated and vaccinated.

We — or at least the virologists and immunologists and vaccine developers — should also have understood the COVID vaccines would drive antibodies against the spike glycoprotein only, while our natural-exposure infection immune response will be broad, robust, durable, long-term — providing immunity against the spike (S) protein, the membrane protein, the nucleocapsid (N) protein, and all the epitopes on the viral ball and all conserved parts of the virus.

No COVID vaccine immunity could be equal to or better than naturally acquired immunity. This should have never even been in question. Assertions otherwise by the CDC, NIH, NIAID or vaccine developers are outright falsehoods and means to deceive the public.

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We should have known we could never achieve “zero COVID” as this is a mutable respiratory pathogen. This means, similar to flu and cold viruses, COVID mutates often.

This is what viruses do. They exist to replicate, and the replicating process of their genetic material is unstable and imperfect. Because there are errors in the replication of the genetic material, there will always be mutations.

For example, the original SARS-CoV-2 was the Wuhan strain — now it is the Delta variant. The vaccine for the original strain cannot hit the mutated spike, as the mutations occur on the spike. That’s why we have the immune escape.

So no matter what vaccine you make, you will not be able to vaccinate for the right strain or variant at any time, as the virus would have mutated by the time we vaccinate.

You can never get ahead of a mutating virus with a vaccine.

This is especially true given COVID has an animal reservoir. The virus lives stably in the bat population. Unless we kill off all the bats — and their intermediate hosts, which include civet cats and raccoon dogs and camels — we will always have a “reservoir” for the virus, in animals. Infected animals can in turn infect humans who get close to or interact with them.

This is a very different pathogen and approach than the one taken with smallpox, which did not have an animal reservoir — we only had to remove smallpox from the human population, we didn’t need to worry about it spilling over from other species.

According to Dr. Robert Malone, “The idea that if you have a workplace where everybody’s vaccinated, you’re not going to have virus spread is totally false … a total lie … the vaccinated are actually the “super-spreaders” that everyone was told about in the beginning of the pandemic.”

Malone further states, “if the government isn’t going to disclose what the [vaccine] risks are, and they’re not going to disclose what’s really going on because they think that you can’t handle the news … this is called the noble lie.”

Are we closer to understanding now that vaccinating for COVID under tremendous infectious and vaccine pressure (and ecological pressure) would drive immune escape? That this strategy is indeed a recipe for disaster?

Could COVID-19 vaccines be enhancing the evolution of variants/mutants that are more infectious and capable of spreading much faster and with greater lethality?

Are these COVID-19 vaccines sub-optimally priming the immune system for long-term skewed deranged responding?

Could the use of ‘imperfect’ sub-optimal vaccines enhance the progression of variants that place unvaccinated persons at elevated evolutionary risk of very severe illness, including death? Our children? Is this Marek 2.0?

Where are the safeguards when the proper studies were not done by the vaccine developers, and where is the FDA as the top regulator, in protecting the health and well-being of our children?

Urgent: 3 Ways to Help Stop Biden’s Vaccine Mandates
Dr. Janet Woodcock, as the head of the FDA, where are you in this? You could not be informed by the science, for there is none to support this grossly reckless and absurd push to vaccinate children.

What is going on here? This certainly is not “about the science.”

I challenge any public health official to sit down with me and my scientific colleagues and explain your science. Debate us. Show us what you are looking at to arrive at these very dangerous statements and decisions.

We may end up killing many children with these vaccines. In fact, not ‘we’, ‘you’ — Fauci and Walensky and Dr. Francis Collins — may end up killing many of our children.

Please stop this insanity, step back and focus on the vulnerable and elderly where there is risk. Leave the children alone!

“If the CDC, NIH, FDA (Walensky, Fauci, Collins, Marks, Woodcock), vaccine developers and all involved in these COVID vaccines, all the television medical experts, all who are absolved thanks to liability protection, if you feel so strongly that these are safe for our children, then do the right thing: Put take liability protection off the table. Stand by the vaccine’s safety. Put some skin in the game — for as we speak, only our healthy children are carrying risk and I fear it could be potentially catastrophic for them.


Paul Elias Alexander

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Alexander

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/authors/paul-elias-alexander-ph-d/

Paul Elias Alexander is a Canadian health researcher and a former Trump administration official at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) during the COVID-19 pandemic. Alexander was recruited from his part-time, unpaid position at McMaster University to serve as an aide to HHS assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo in March 2020. In that role, Alexander pressured federal scientists and public health agencies to suppress and edit their COVID-19 analyses to make them consistent with Trump's rhetoric.

Within the Trump Administration, Alexander advocated for a strategy of mass infection of the public with COVID-19 to build herd immunity. He sought to muzzle federal scientists and public health agencies to prevent them from contradicting the Trump Administration's political talking points.

Alexander and Caputo came under scrutiny for their months-long efforts to exert control over the public messaging of scientists and health officials regarding the coronavirus pandemic in the United States, in particular for efforts to influence the public messaging of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) so that it would be more compatible with Trump's public statements.[6][2][9] Alexander's efforts were focused on the CDC's widely read Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), which Caputo and Alexander regarded as containing "political content"; Alexander tried unsuccessfully to get all issues of MMWR held up until personally approved by him.[10]

Emails written by Alexander and Caputo detailed an attempt to silence career CDC scientists and question their findings as part of what current and former CDC officials called a "campaign of bullying and intimidation" that stretched for five months.[11] After Dr. Anne Schuchat, the principal deputy director of the CDC, who worked at the agency for 32 years, gave an interview to the Journal of the American Medical Association in which she urged the use of face masks to prevent the spread of the virus, Alexander emailed Caputo calling Schuchat "duplicitous" and claimed, "Her aim is to embarrass the president."[11] On June 20, 2020, Alexander sent a message to CDC Director Robert R. Redfield, criticizing a CDC report about risks to pregnant women from COVID-19. Alexander said that the report, whose limitations the CDC had acknowledged, would "frighten women" and give the impression that "the President and his administration can't fix this and it is getting worse". He said that in his "opinion and sense" the CDC was "undermining the president by what they put out".[12] A congressional committee has asked him to testify in September to give information about his interactions with CDC. On August 8, 2020, Alexander wrote to Redfield that "CDC to me appears to be writing hit pieces on the administration"; he asked Redfield to change reports that had already been published and demanded that he be allowed to review and edit MMWR before publication.[9]

In August and early September 2020, Alexander sent several messages to press officers at the National Institutes of Health attempting to direct Dr. Anthony Fauci's media comments.[4] In an August 2020 email to HHS officials, Alexander claimed that Fauci was "scaring the nation wrongfully."[2] Alexander demanded, among other things, that Fauci should refrain from promoting the wearing of masks by children in school and COVID-19 testing of children.[4] Fauci later said that he had not received the messages and would not have been influenced by them if he had.[4] In emails in September 2020, Alexander celebrated two instances in which he said CDC officials had bowed to his pressure to water down information in CDC reports. Two days later, he asked Scott Atlas, then an advisor to the Trump White House, to assist him in disputing a CDC report on COVID-19 deaths; Atlas, Alexander, and others wrote a number of op-eds to counter warnings from federal scientists.[2] Caputo and Alexander also strategized on how to underplay the virus and push for a rapid end to COVID-19-related restrictions on business.[2] The emails were later obtained by the House Select Oversight Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis.[2]

In a Facebook Live video posted on his personal website on September 14, 2020, Caputo promoted a variety of unfounded accusations and conspiracy theories,[13][14][15] including the idea that the CDC harbored a "resistance unit" to undermine Trump; Caputo also accused various scientists of "sedition" and "rotten science".[13] In the same video, Caputo called Alexander a "genius" and defended his actions.[13][6] Two days later, HHS announced that Caputo would take a 60-day medical leave of absence from HHS, and that Alexander would permanently leave the department.[6][16] At a Senate hearing the same day, Redfield said he was "deeply saddened" by Caputo's claims, said they are "not true", and said that "The scientific integrity of the MMWR has not been compromised, and will not be compromised on my watch."[6]

McMaster University distanced itself from Alexander, saying, "As a consultant, he is not speaking on behalf of McMaster University or the Department of Health Research Methods, Evidence, and Impact."[6]

In an interview with the Toronto Globe and Mail after his departure from HHS, Alexander defended his actions, stating that he had wanted the CDC to make their reports "more upbeat so that people would feel more confident going out and spending money", and that he "did not think agencies should contradict any president's policy".[17] Alexander also asserted that he was better suited than CDC scientists to assess data, saying: "None of those people have my skills. I make the judgment whether this is crap."

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https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/children-immune-priming-covid-vaccines-infection-transmission/

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Children's Health Defense is an American activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine activities and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines.[1][2][3][4][5] Founded under the name World Mercury Project in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[6][7] The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water.[8] The group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and legislation.[9][10][11] Arguments against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.[12][13][14][15] The group is a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit.[16]

Children's Health Defense is using social media and internet advertising to propagate anti-vaccination messages, targeting young parents and minorities in the United States.[1][2] During the COVID-19 pandemic, those communications attempted to downplay the risk posed by the virus, to argue the new vaccines are dangerous, and to undermine public health authorities. The Center for Countering Digital Hate identifies the group as one of the leaders of the anti-vaccination movement online.[3]

The organization targets Black Americans with messaging linking COVID-19 vaccination with the Tuskegee Syphilis Study and other instances when ethical violations have been committed against minorities as part of medical studies. Such interventions are likely to hurt the Black community by increasing vaccine hesitancy within that vulnerable population.[29] Echoing other actors in the anti-vaccination movement and Nation of Islam, Children's Health Defense claims that the United States government seeks to harm ethnic minorities by prioritizing them for COVID vaccines. The conspiracy theory is elaborated upon in an hour-long video production released in March 2021 by Children's Health Defense and Kennedy, along with recycled anti-vaccination stories about autism, Bill Gates and the Centers for Disease Control. Like other such conspiracy theory videos, it inserts true historical events into its narrative to make its fantastic claims appear more believable.[1][30]

In step with the QAnon movement, their Instagram promotes the "Great Reset" theory and identifies "Big Pharma" as part of "the real deep state".[3]

A study found Children's Health Defense was one of major buyers of anti-vaccine Facebook advertising in December 2018 and February 2019, the other being Stop Mandatory Vaccination. Heavily targeting women and young couples, the advertising highlighted the alleged risks of vaccines and asked for donations.[2][31] According to an analysis by NBC News, the group is one of three major sources of false claims on vaccination shared on the internet, the other two being the fake news site Natural News and the website Stop Mandatory Vaccination.[4] Facebook subsequently refused to carry anti-vaccination advertising from the group.[32][1]


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Post#1488 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:59 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:It turns out the investigation is going even better than I had hoped for. The committee has been leaking hints the past week and this one is unusual. Hype would be deadly as it would overly politicize the process, so it really must mean they’ve uncovered a provable conspiracy. The public hearings are going to be historical.

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https://www.alternet.org/2022/01/jamie-raskin-jan-6/

U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) revealed former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham named many people he had not heard about in connection with the January 6 insurrection, and promised Americans will be stunned when the House Select Committee on the Attack delivers its report.

“America is going to be shocked and surprised at what we all come to learn this year,” Congressman Raskin told CNN Thursday night, one year after the violent and deadly insurrection.

He also said that Grisham gave him “a lot of names I had not heard before” and “identified some minds of inquiry that had never occurred to me” prior to her Wednesday interview with the committee.

Separately, Grisham on Thursday revealed she and more than a dozen other former Trump officials are meeting next week to discuss how to “stop” the former president, Donald Trump, from succeeding in his attempt to destroy democracy, and to get re-elected.



Looks like a Grisham has opted to be the John Dean of her generation instead of doing jail time.
Lots of nice speaking gigs for her in the future when someone else tries some illegal sh*t in the presidency.
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Post#1489 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
This is beyond a joke. Stop believing everything you read fam. BTW, after speaking with a hospital nurse, hospitals in the Bronx are now over-flowing with people moreso than normal yearly flu numbers.

Meanwhile big Pharma and their investors like Bill Gates making billions on fear mongering.


What does Bill Gates have to do with covid in particular?

Are you trying to say just because he was so far ahead of the curve about the threat of viruses to humanity that means he was always in bed with big pharma and this was a giant plot to enrich himself when he has already shown he doesn't care about increasing his wealth?


Yes I do.
1. That Bill Gates is a major stakeholder and was basically booted out of India to his Gates Foundation passing out vaccines that made many women there sterile.
2. Then coincidently there are reports of women becoming sterile application of these vaccines.
3. That some boys, after vaccination, have their testosterone levels drop to where they impotent.
4. That Bill Gates is an advocate of the Global reduction of the population.


So yes FK Bill Gates.


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Post#1490 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:09 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:It turns out the investigation is going even better than I had hoped for. The committee has been leaking hints the past week and this one is unusual. Hype would be deadly as it would overly politicize the process, so it really must mean they’ve uncovered a provable conspiracy. The public hearings are going to be historical.

Read on Twitter


https://www.alternet.org/2022/01/jamie-raskin-jan-6/

U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) revealed former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham named many people he had not heard about in connection with the January 6 insurrection, and promised Americans will be stunned when the House Select Committee on the Attack delivers its report.

“America is going to be shocked and surprised at what we all come to learn this year,” Congressman Raskin told CNN Thursday night, one year after the violent and deadly insurrection.

He also said that Grisham gave him “a lot of names I had not heard before” and “identified some minds of inquiry that had never occurred to me” prior to her Wednesday interview with the committee.

Separately, Grisham on Thursday revealed she and more than a dozen other former Trump officials are meeting next week to discuss how to “stop” the former president, Donald Trump, from succeeding in his attempt to destroy democracy, and to get re-elected.



Looks like a Grisham has opted to be the John Dean of her generation instead of doing jail time.
Lots of nice speaking gigs for her in the future when someone else tries some illegal sh*t in the presidency.


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Post#1491 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:16 pm

Jethrobodine123 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:It turns out the investigation is going even better than I had hoped for. The committee has been leaking hints the past week and this one is unusual. Hype would be deadly as it would overly politicize the process, so it really must mean they’ve uncovered a provable conspiracy. The public hearings are going to be historical.

Read on Twitter


https://www.alternet.org/2022/01/jamie-raskin-jan-6/

U.S. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) revealed former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham named many people he had not heard about in connection with the January 6 insurrection, and promised Americans will be stunned when the House Select Committee on the Attack delivers its report.

“America is going to be shocked and surprised at what we all come to learn this year,” Congressman Raskin told CNN Thursday night, one year after the violent and deadly insurrection.

He also said that Grisham gave him “a lot of names I had not heard before” and “identified some minds of inquiry that had never occurred to me” prior to her Wednesday interview with the committee.

Separately, Grisham on Thursday revealed she and more than a dozen other former Trump officials are meeting next week to discuss how to “stop” the former president, Donald Trump, from succeeding in his attempt to destroy democracy, and to get re-elected.


I wish that I was as hopeful as you are about the leaders being held responsible. Here's hoping that is the case because there is so so much counting on the Jan 6 investigation from both the committee and the DOJ. I totally agree that the public hearings are going to be uber important, they have to be broadcast, hopefully on prime time and they need to lay it out for all to see. It could even have an effect on the outcome of the midterms, it's that important.

J


I’m not up on where we’re at with who is getting subpoenaed and who is cooperating. Seems like Pence could be the Big Kahuna. But what if he starts dragging things out bc let’s face it, he and his family are scared shytless over what Trump’s goons will do to them. They wanted to hang him last year.

But this is not the key to to winning this November and in ‘24. The key is to start using his Executive Orders to help people and break kneecaps to get voting right legislation passed.

I’m beginning to feel like this Investigation is turning into another episode of Mueller, He Wrote. Garland said himself that this will take time and that they are working their way up the chain. Clearly, he won’t be even close to being done before November. Moreover, in the court of public opinion, “we all” know that Trump is responsible. Even if he goes to jail before November, is that suddenly going to change the minds of Trump supporters? No, of course not.

I’m not saying we should drop this or anything like that. But I don’t think that it’s the means by which we win in 22 and 24. I think we win by doing things to improve the lives of working/middle class folks.
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Post#1492 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:25 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Jethrobodine123 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:It turns out the investigation is going even better than I had hoped for. The committee has been leaking hints the past week and this one is unusual. Hype would be deadly as it would overly politicize the process, so it really must mean they’ve uncovered a provable conspiracy. The public hearings are going to be historical.

Read on Twitter


https://www.alternet.org/2022/01/jamie-raskin-jan-6/



I wish that I was as hopeful as you are about the leaders being held responsible. Here's hoping that is the case because there is so so much counting on the Jan 6 investigation from both the committee and the DOJ. I totally agree that the public hearings are going to be uber important, they have to be broadcast, hopefully on prime time and they need to lay it out for all to see. It could even have an effect on the outcome of the midterms, it's that important.

J


I’m not up on where we’re at with who is getting subpoenaed and who is cooperating. Seems like Pence could be the Big Kahuna. But what if he starts dragging things out bc let’s face it, he and his family are scared shytless over what Trump’s goons will do to them. They wanted to hang him last year.

But this is not the key to to winning this November and in ‘24. The key is to start using his Executive Orders to help people and break kneecaps to get voting right legislation passed.

I’m beginning to feel like this Investigation is turning into another episode of Mueller, He Wrote. Garland said himself that this will take time and that they are working their way up the chain. Clearly, he won’t be even close to being done before November. Moreover, in the court of public opinion, “we all” know that Trump is responsible. Even if he goes to jail before November, is that suddenly going to change the minds of Trump supporters? No, of course not.

I’m not saying we should drop this or anything like that. But I don’t think that it’s the means by which we win in 22 and 24. I think we win by doing things to improve the lives of working/middle class folks.


Pence's top people, including his chief of staff, have given up EVERYTHING to the committee. Pence's team went all in and cooperated fully. The committee is going to be respectful towards Pence because he upheld his constitutional duties and performed his ceremonial duty in certifying the election. They may not need to subpoena him since they got so much already.

Comparing this to Mueller is incorrect. Mueller was sabotaged by Rod Rosenstein and then by Bill Barr. All of that occurred under Trump's watch so there is no comparison to that DOJ to one operating now. There is literally no parallel to be drawn from that.
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Post#1493 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:58 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Jethrobodine123 wrote:
I wish that I was as hopeful as you are about the leaders being held responsible. Here's hoping that is the case because there is so so much counting on the Jan 6 investigation from both the committee and the DOJ. I totally agree that the public hearings are going to be uber important, they have to be broadcast, hopefully on prime time and they need to lay it out for all to see. It could even have an effect on the outcome of the midterms, it's that important.

J


I’m not up on where we’re at with who is getting subpoenaed and who is cooperating. Seems like Pence could be the Big Kahuna. But what if he starts dragging things out bc let’s face it, he and his family are scared shytless over what Trump’s goons will do to them. They wanted to hang him last year.

But this is not the key to to winning this November and in ‘24. The key is to start using his Executive Orders to help people and break kneecaps to get voting right legislation passed.

I’m beginning to feel like this Investigation is turning into another episode of Mueller, He Wrote. Garland said himself that this will take time and that they are working their way up the chain. Clearly, he won’t be even close to being done before November. Moreover, in the court of public opinion, “we all” know that Trump is responsible. Even if he goes to jail before November, is that suddenly going to change the minds of Trump supporters? No, of course not.

I’m not saying we should drop this or anything like that. But I don’t think that it’s the means by which we win in 22 and 24. I think we win by doing things to improve the lives of working/middle class folks.


Pence's top people, including his chief of staff, have given up EVERYTHING to the committee. Pence's team went all in and cooperated fully. The committee is going to be respectful towards Pence because he upheld his constitutional duties and performed his ceremonial duty in certifying the election. They may not need to subpoena him since they got so much already.

Comparing this to Mueller is incorrect. Mueller was sabotaged by Rod Rosenstein and then by Bill Barr. All of that occurred under Trump's watch so there is no comparison to that DOJ to one operating now. There is literally no parallel to be drawn from that.


Other than it’ll have no affect on our upcoming elections. A successful prosecution of Donald Trump for 1/6 is not going to sway the elections. And I’m dying to see Trump go to jail and I want to see these militias dismantled.
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Post#1494 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:59 pm

Republican senators have all left Trump. Now all say that Biden won fair and square.

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Post#1495 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:43 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I’m not up on where we’re at with who is getting subpoenaed and who is cooperating. Seems like Pence could be the Big Kahuna. But what if he starts dragging things out bc let’s face it, he and his family are scared shytless over what Trump’s goons will do to them. They wanted to hang him last year.

But this is not the key to to winning this November and in ‘24. The key is to start using his Executive Orders to help people and break kneecaps to get voting right legislation passed.

I’m beginning to feel like this Investigation is turning into another episode of Mueller, He Wrote. Garland said himself that this will take time and that they are working their way up the chain. Clearly, he won’t be even close to being done before November. Moreover, in the court of public opinion, “we all” know that Trump is responsible. Even if he goes to jail before November, is that suddenly going to change the minds of Trump supporters? No, of course not.

I’m not saying we should drop this or anything like that. But I don’t think that it’s the means by which we win in 22 and 24. I think we win by doing things to improve the lives of working/middle class folks.


Pence's top people, including his chief of staff, have given up EVERYTHING to the committee. Pence's team went all in and cooperated fully. The committee is going to be respectful towards Pence because he upheld his constitutional duties and performed his ceremonial duty in certifying the election. They may not need to subpoena him since they got so much already.

Comparing this to Mueller is incorrect. Mueller was sabotaged by Rod Rosenstein and then by Bill Barr. All of that occurred under Trump's watch so there is no comparison to that DOJ to one operating now. There is literally no parallel to be drawn from that.


Other than it’ll have no affect on our upcoming elections. A successful prosecution of Donald Trump for 1/6 is not going to sway the elections. And I’m dying to see Trump go to jail and I want to see these militias dismantled.


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Post#1496 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm

Here's an interesting video on how societies responded to pandemics over the centuries.

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Post#1497 » by Jethrobodine123 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:36 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Here's an interesting video on how societies responded to pandemics over the centuries.



Thanks H, it's funny I was thinking I just don't have enough Pandemic content in my life at this moment. :D

Very interesting and informative for sure. It seems like this Pandemic is sort of the ideal (if I can use that word) combination of transmissibility and morbidity so that the virus can reach all corners of the earth. The Ebola virus, for instance, was so fatal that it usually killed it's carrier so it didn't have a chance to spread too far. We have to hope that we don't get a variant that's more lethal then we could be in trouble. If we don't we should be looking at it becoming endemic and then we can deal with it more readily.

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Post#1498 » by Jethrobodine123 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:38 am

In other words we just may be at the proverbial fork in the road.
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Post#1499 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:07 am

Jethrobodine123 wrote:In other words we just may be at the proverbial fork in the road.


Certainly a time to reassess things. Many people are doing exactly that concerning their careers. Especially nurses and teachers, as you can imagine.
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Post#1500 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:10 am

Trump’s criminal lawyers met with Fulton County prosecutors today. Rut row!
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