PG: RJ Tells Chanel: “Hold My Beer” while Randle Hangs Up His Spurs

[KnixtapeH20]

Although all the criticism is warranted, I really hope Randle pulls it together and finish the year off strong.

He honestly didn’t have a horrible game, he moved the ball, set screens (even though they were lazy), and played better defense. Most importantly he wasn’t forcing up shots and let RJ do his thing.

In my opinion he was a net positive by staying out of the way.

I think if he had this game but didn’t come off like he was sulking and low energy it wouldn’t have been so bad.

Thibs also put him in a bad situation. No way he should be in with a 20+ lead with everything going on. Our coach has zero feel for real-time basketball.

Julius has no game face
Juilus reacts to everything with that face
He argues with the refs while his teammates hustle upcourt
He gives the evil eye to his teammates when he’s the one who blew his defensive switch
He hangs his head like baby Kevin Knox after his misses

All facts why do ppl choose to ignore this ****? He's not a great teammate on the court

[nykfan42]

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I missed that part of the game. Must've stepped out of the room. Wish I saw it.

[nedleeds]

Sacramento
Portland
LA
Philly
Pistons
Celtics
Wizards

The only teams I think can use Randle.

LA has a power forward, that being said I'd take Westbricks almost expiring back and send Kembas corpse to match salary (maybe we'd have to send Burks also, Westbrick makes a ****).



Portland has Covington who's a better fit if Randle can't shoot anymore. I think we're in matching salary hell and they'd have to give up CJ to get Randle. Or maybe a mix of Covington and scrubs would work.

Pistons don't need another Jeremi Grant and they're tanking.

Philly could sure use 40% from 3 Randle. Standing around and playing off Embiid would be good for him if he can make stand still jumpers. Problem is Ben Simmons is the worst contract in basketball and they need all the other salaries to play for them.

Celtics makes a bunch of sense. We could eat Horfords turd and take some more dumpster salary to get Boston under the tax.

Wizards could send us Bertans corpse and a prospect, I'd be happy with that deal. Randles deal is negative but Bertans is really bad also.

Ignoring that the lakers dont need randle, you want to trade randle for an even more ball hungry player who is rapidly declining?

Because he's off our roster next year. The trade gets 2 awful contracts off the roster which is the only way to keep Thibs from playing these minute burning road apples. Maybe the Lakers would be dumb enough to throw in a 2029 1st or something stupid.

I mean I'd also fire everyone so we're just dreaming here.

But if I was hired tomorrow I'd snap clear these off our books. Trade for Westbrick, let him sit out the season or see if he gets injured playing 38 minutes. Then once the new league starts next year just waive him no stretch. Fournier gone, Randle gone.

Those 2 out of here I'd do Kemba a solid and release him and watch exactly no teams clamor for his services (he's still getting OKC money, so hopefully he'd ditch his 2022-23 money we idiotically gave him).

Trade Burks for anything resembling a pick at the deadline.
Noel is negative value and was the second the ink dried.

pg - iq
sg - grimes
sf - gerald henderson 2
pf - obi
c - mitch

deuce
rose if he comes back this year
sammich
sims
knox
taj with some spot vet minutes
sign other g-league flotsam

[NYKnickerbocker]

I might be in the minority but I think Julius can still figure it out again here. Plus I don’t think many trades including him will workout for us lol

[KnixtapeH20]

LA has a power forward, that being said I'd take Westbricks almost expiring back and send Kembas corpse to match salary (maybe we'd have to send Burks also, Westbrick makes a ****).



Portland has Covington who's a better fit if Randle can't shoot anymore. I think we're in matching salary hell and they'd have to give up CJ to get Randle. Or maybe a mix of Covington and scrubs would work.

Pistons don't need another Jeremi Grant and they're tanking.

Philly could sure use 40% from 3 Randle. Standing around and playing off Embiid would be good for him if he can make stand still jumpers. Problem is Ben Simmons is the worst contract in basketball and they need all the other salaries to play for them.

Celtics makes a bunch of sense. We could eat Horfords turd and take some more dumpster salary to get Boston under the tax.

Wizards could send us Bertans corpse and a prospect, I'd be happy with that deal. Randles deal is negative but Bertans is really bad also.

Ignoring that the lakers dont need randle, you want to trade randle for an even more ball hungry player who is rapidly declining?

Because he's off our roster next year. The trade gets 2 awful contracts off the roster which is the only way to keep Thibs from playing these minute burning road apples. Maybe the Lakers would be dumb enough to throw in a 2029 1st or something stupid.

I mean I'd also fire everyone so we're just dreaming here.

But if I was hired tomorrow I'd snap clear these off our books. Trade for Westbrick, let him sit out the season or see if he gets injured playing 38 minutes. Then once the new league starts next year just waive him no stretch. Fournier gone, Randle gone.

Those 2 out of here I'd do Kemba a solid and release him and watch exactly no teams clamor for his services (he's still getting OKC money, so hopefully he'd ditch his 2022-23 money we idiotically gave him).

Trade Burks for anything resembling a pick at the deadline.
Noel is negative value and was the second the ink dried.

pg - iq
sg - grimes
sf - gerald henderson 2
pf - obi
c - mitch

deuce
rose if he comes back this year
sammich
sims
knox
taj with some spot vet minutes
sign other g-league flotsam

You're hired sir

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

RJ actually started this season pretty strong, but then fell off a cliff.

1st 9 games: 19.2 ppg on .474 FG% and .400 3P%
Next 10 games: 10.2 ppg on .324 FG% and .235 3P%
Next 13 games: 19.6 ppg on .428 FG% and .385 3P%

We don't really know what happened during that 10 game stretch -- maybe he was banged up, maybe it was the "non-COVID illness" he had, or maybe it was just plain inconsistency. Even among those strong stretches, he's still had games where he shoots like 1-8 from deep and then comes back and hits 5-8 the next night. He's young and inconsistent in general. It's just that he had a pretty terrible 10-game period in November where he didn't really have any of those bounce-back nights and couldn't hit a 3 to save his life.

It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season unfolds for him.

That is a great way to break out his season. His low was really low, and long term that kind of inconsistency is unacceptable.

But Maybe it’s all a nescessary step in his growth. Struggles for a bit while adjusting/adding to his game, but when he starts getting comfortable he takes off. Every player develops a little differently. If he can gain some consistency he is def a very good player. It seems pretty achievable at the least. But if he is wildly inconsistent then things can go south fast. We will have to wait and see. Just the way RJ is so resilient, aggressive and works hard I wouldn’t bet against him.

Yeah, I'd take 19 ppg on 44% and 39% shooting from a 21 year old, even if that means some inconsistency from night to night as he develops. Just can't have those 10-game stretches where he's consistently terrible. Hopefully those are mostly behind him.

I also wonder if some of his growing pains have to do with his ever-changing role in the offense. He came out his rookie year playing like a leader with the ball in his hands a lot, but then Fiz never installed an actual offense and he didn't get consistent touches after that. Then last season RJ was used more as a secondary scorer, spotting up. This year it's been up and down, but when he's had the ball in his hands more in these recent games, he's done well.

[rajajackal]

Z-Bo was also a real post-up player.

Prime Z-Bo could abuse people in the post.

Randle, we don't know what he really is. He can do a lot of things, all of them inefficiently.

best summary and why i cringe when people call him our most "talented" player. like, yeah, i guess, technically, i see how you think that

He is though. And I'm not a Randle fan. Could RJ pass him by? Sure. I'm talking now.

Really, what it comes down to is:
How far can Randle take you where he's Bootleg LeBron. Probably not that far.
Can Randle be effective in a lesser role, doing his variety of things, but not as the clear #1 guy

With additional questions being: Is Randle pouting because he's not the #1, does he have nagging injuries or, because Randle is merely good, and not great, is he still adjusting to the also not great complimentary players brought in? And will he ever adjust correctly and well.

If the answer to the last question is no, either due to attitude or ability, then he has to go. Half the season we might think answers the question, but maybe Randle and coaching staff get it together over the remainder of the season.

It's the Knicks, so probably not.

derrick rose is significantly more talented than julius randle. randle can do a little bit of this and a little bit of that for a guy with his build, but none of it is high-calibre. it just appears that way when justified by shots made

[rajajackal]

Randle is really a tweener.

He doesn't really have a position, or a role he can fit into where he can be efficient.

What is he really?

Is he a finisher? No.
Is he a jumpshooter? No.
Is he a post-up player? No.
Is he an efficient ISO player? No.
Is he a playmaker? Kind of, when people double him, but people don't double him as much anymore.

He's kind of stuck in no man's land.

randle could be a finisher if he had a different personality/ego

Randle would be fine as a finisher when he is already going downhill either because he dribbled past his man or is fed the ball on the way in. Anything else is dubious

If we’re stuck with him, turn him into a project and re-educate him to play off the ball and to either shoot or move the ball in 3 seconds or less. The dribble for 10 seconds and shoot guy is being owned by the league and needs to be rebooted

i just meant that if he was willing to accept he was simply a power forward, he could use his strength to get to the rim way more often. we see him do it when he hits a dry spell and wants points on the board. if he was catching the ball down low instead of at the arc, we could finish a lot of plays this way

[nedleeds]

Ignoring that the lakers dont need randle, you want to trade randle for an even more ball hungry player who is rapidly declining?

Because he's off our roster next year. The trade gets 2 awful contracts off the roster which is the only way to keep Thibs from playing these minute burning road apples. Maybe the Lakers would be dumb enough to throw in a 2029 1st or something stupid.

I mean I'd also fire everyone so we're just dreaming here.

But if I was hired tomorrow I'd snap clear these off our books. Trade for Westbrick, let him sit out the season or see if he gets injured playing 38 minutes. Then once the new league starts next year just waive him no stretch. Fournier gone, Randle gone.

Those 2 out of here I'd do Kemba a solid and release him and watch exactly no teams clamor for his services (he's still getting OKC money, so hopefully he'd ditch his 2022-23 money we idiotically gave him).

Trade Burks for anything resembling a pick at the deadline.
Noel is negative value and was the second the ink dried.

pg - iq
sg - grimes
sf - gerald henderson 2
pf - obi
c - mitch

deuce
rose if he comes back this year
sammich
sims
knox
taj with some spot vet minutes
sign other g-league flotsam

You're hired sir

Think about how excited actual Knicks fans would be to see this lineup get out and hustle for 48 minutes on our way to a high draft pick?

[KnixtapeH20]

I might be in the minority but I think Julius can still figure it out again here. Plus I don’t think many trades including him will workout for us lol

Sigh. . . . How exactly?

So you think this man is gona stop arguing with refs, get out of his head, stop turning the ball over making horrendous passes, stop getting stripped 7 times a game, not be ball dominant and learn to be ok in a somewhat Draymond Green offensive roll?

Here's what I think is realistic for Randle. He can improve his shooting all around - free throws - 3 pt - mid range.

RJ had it going last night, Randle looked like he was just out there bc Thibs plays his 48 minutes a game. Maybe hes exhausted idk but he's not happy not being the alpha scorer

[nedleeds]

wE beAT thE BuCKS lAST yEAR!

[DickGrayson]

Toppin defense rating - 102
Randle defense rating - 110


Fans cheering for Obi is valid and Julius has to man up and remove his tampon and understand how sports works. USA sport fans aren't even that bad/toxic. Not even Philly/NYC compares to what you get in Argentina, Europe, etc. Pinoy fans go hard too. Randle has shown he's the softest player in NYK since Keith Van Horn.

[thebuzzardman]

best summary and why i cringe when people call him our most "talented" player. like, yeah, i guess, technically, i see how you think that

He is though. And I'm not a Randle fan. Could RJ pass him by? Sure. I'm talking now.

Really, what it comes down to is:
How far can Randle take you where he's Bootleg LeBron. Probably not that far.
Can Randle be effective in a lesser role, doing his variety of things, but not as the clear #1 guy

With additional questions being: Is Randle pouting because he's not the #1, does he have nagging injuries or, because Randle is merely good, and not great, is he still adjusting to the also not great complimentary players brought in? And will he ever adjust correctly and well.

If the answer to the last question is no, either due to attitude or ability, then he has to go. Half the season we might think answers the question, but maybe Randle and coaching staff get it together over the remainder of the season.

It's the Knicks, so probably not.

derrick rose is significantly more talented than julius randle. randle can do a little bit of this and a little bit of that for a guy with his build, but none of it is high-calibre. it just appears that way when justified by shots made

Rose can't play 35 mpg game in, game out. Availability is a talent too. Edge Randle.

Again, Randle is good, but might not be good in a way that's conducive to winning with him as a lead. Then the Knicks made a mistake giving him more years and money

or

Randle should be a secondary/tertiary player which will either work, or Randle isn't suited by either disposition or attitude or maybe even ability, which means the Knicks made a slightly different version of the mistake mentioned above.

[Reign23]

IQ and Mitch were also great again. I hope the have turned the corner and get more consistent now.

[thebuzzardman]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265407/76ers-Trying-To-Include-Tobias-Harris-In-Trade-Of-Ben-Simmons

So....would you take on the T. Harris 40 million per, to go with the Simmons 40 million per, if you could somehow get rid of Randle and Fournier? Obviously several other contracts need to get in there as well. I guess Rose. Since he's actually useful and is making I believe the next most money. Oh, and Noel. And a few picks.

IQ/Kemba
RJ/Grimes
Simmons/?
Harris/Obi
Mitch/Taj/Sims

Capped out. 50 wins. Sounds pretty Knicks to me.

[NYKnickerbocker]

I might be in the minority but I think Julius can still figure it out again here. Plus I don’t think many trades including him will workout for us lol

Sigh. . . . How exactly?

So you think this man is gona stop arguing with refs, get out of his head, stop turning the ball over making horrendous passes, stop getting stripped 7 times a game, not be ball dominant and learn to be ok in a somewhat Draymond Green offensive roll?

Here's what I think is realistic for Randle. He can improve his shooting all around - free throws - 3 pt - mid range.

RJ had it going last night, Randle looked like he was just out there bc Thibs plays his 48 minutes a game. Maybe hes exhausted idk but he's not happy not being the alpha scorer

He’s pretty much playing the same as last year minus the jumpshot lol. He was arguing with refs, getting stripped, making bad passes. But he was smacking jumper after jumper. He’s also not hustling as hard as last season.

It all depends on that J. With it he’s an all star, with out it he’s a decent player In the right role

[thebuzzardman]

Can the Knicks convert Randle and Fournier into Tobias Harris as part of facilitating Simmons way off the 76ers?

[TrueWarrior]

Toppin defense rating - 102
Randle defense rating - 110


Fans cheering for Obi is valid and Julius has to man up and remove his tampon and understand how sports works. USA sport fans aren't even that bad/toxic. Not even Philly/NYC compares to what you get in Argentina, Europe, etc. Pinoy fans go hard too. Randle has shown he's the softest player in NYK since Keith Van Horn.

For those that dont know, the lower the D Rating the better.

Obi will never be on an All Defense team or anything, but he def holds his own on D out there now and can obviously keep getting better. Has all the tools.

He’s mostly playing against bench guys of course, but it’s very encouraging how far along his defense already is considering how people thought it’d be coming out the draft.

Like when was the last time you saw Obi getting cooked on defense? He wouldn’t play at all if he was. Had a few dumb reach fouls yesterday admittedly, but he’s decent down low and on the perimeter. Always hustles too. This is one area Im happy Thibs is his coach, because for example Amare said he was never taught defense by Dantoni as a young’n. Just gotta play more than 10 mpg now lol.

[Marty McFly]

not to say that RJ is as good or can be as good as these guys but, the RJ/Randle tandem remind me of a forward version of the AI/Stackhouse, Ellis/Curry situations.

[Iron Mantis]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265407/76ers-Trying-To-Include-Tobias-Harris-In-Trade-Of-Ben-Simmons

So....would you take on the T. Harris 40 million per, to go with the Simmons 40 million per, if you could somehow get rid of Randle and Fournier? Obviously several other contracts need to get in there as well. I guess Rose. Since he's actually useful and is making I believe the next most money. Oh, and Noel. And a few picks.

IQ/Kemba
RJ/Grimes
Simmons/?
Harris/Obi
Mitch/Taj/Sims

Capped out. 50 wins. Sounds pretty Knicks to me.

Would have to be multi-team trade.

Says they want cap space to go after Harden. Knicks stuck with long term deals.