PG: RJ Tells Chanel: “Hold My Beer” while Randle Hangs Up His Spurs

[KnixtapeH20]

I might be in the minority but I think Julius can still figure it out again here. Plus I don’t think many trades including him will workout for us lol

Sigh. . . . How exactly?

So you think this man is gona stop arguing with refs, get out of his head, stop turning the ball over making horrendous passes, stop getting stripped 7 times a game, not be ball dominant and learn to be ok in a somewhat Draymond Green offensive roll?

Here's what I think is realistic for Randle. He can improve his shooting all around - free throws - 3 pt - mid range.

RJ had it going last night, Randle looked like he was just out there bc Thibs plays his 48 minutes a game. Maybe hes exhausted idk but he's not happy not being the alpha scorer

He’s pretty much playing the same as last year minus the jumpshot lol. He was arguing with refs, getting stripped, making bad passes. But he was smacking jumper after jumper. He’s also not hustling as hard as last season.

It all depends on that J. With it he’s an all star, with out it he’s a decent player In the right role

Yea but its fake all star though bc he has to be ball dominant. I mean I guess if he can be productive like last season I just like to see the ball move and guys get touches. Not the Randle show. Obi is so much more talented than this guy that's one of the main reasons I want him gone. So we can play team ball and watch Obi develop and flourish

[TrueWarrior]

Also, do you really see us trading away the fan favorite and NY product Obi and keeping Julius after all this? After the boos, comments, and Obi chants? It would be a very Knick thing to do but idk. Julius has completely lost the crowd, and trading Obi would put even MORE pressure on him to perform.

Unless Julius does a complete 180 and becomes the consummate player and teammate real quick it just seems like he’s a goner. You cant trust him. We have all the cover needed to trade him now, but who would want him and what would we get is the question.

[Gravy]

In other developing news Evan Fournier has been decent for a couple of games now. *hides*

[rajajackal]

He is though. And I'm not a Randle fan. Could RJ pass him by? Sure. I'm talking now.

Really, what it comes down to is:
How far can Randle take you where he's Bootleg LeBron. Probably not that far.
Can Randle be effective in a lesser role, doing his variety of things, but not as the clear #1 guy

With additional questions being: Is Randle pouting because he's not the #1, does he have nagging injuries or, because Randle is merely good, and not great, is he still adjusting to the also not great complimentary players brought in? And will he ever adjust correctly and well.

If the answer to the last question is no, either due to attitude or ability, then he has to go. Half the season we might think answers the question, but maybe Randle and coaching staff get it together over the remainder of the season.

It's the Knicks, so probably not.

derrick rose is significantly more talented than julius randle. randle can do a little bit of this and a little bit of that for a guy with his build, but none of it is high-calibre. it just appears that way when justified by shots made

Rose can't play 35 mpg game in, game out. Availability is a talent too. Edge Randle.

Again, Randle is good, but might not be good in a way that's conducive to winning with him as a lead. Then the Knicks made a mistake giving him more years and money

or

Randle should be a secondary/tertiary player which will either work, or Randle isn't suited by either disposition or attitude or maybe even ability, which means the Knicks made a slightly different version of the mistake mentioned above.

our derrick rose unit played better than our randle unit. we won more games after we acquired him. i'm not saying he should be slotted as our primary option or leader in MPG, just that he is more talented. he was super available for significant minutes prior to this ankle surgery, too. anyway, my point isn't to say that we should run our offense through derrick rose lol. just saying that the criteria that makes randle our "most talented" player is a criteria i strongly disagree with

[Reign23]

In other developing news Evan Fournier has been decent for a couple of games now. *hides*

I was waiting for this happen. he had such a bad shooting start to the season but things even out a little now.
if he only would make 5 mio per year less.......

[rajajackal]

Also, do you really see us trading away the fan favorite and NY product Obi and keeping Julius after all this? After the boos, comments, and Obi chants? It would be a very Knick thing to do but idk, that would put even MORE pressure on Julius to perform.

Unless Julius does a complete 180 and becomes the consummate player and teammate real quick it just seems like he’s a goner. You cant trust him. We have all the cover needed to trade him now, but who would want him and what would we get is the question.

i can't see leon rose trading the draft pick he pumped his fists in the air for and was willing to trade up to acquire in favor of a player he inherited and was pressured to retain after a blockbuster contract year. just because thibs prefers randle to obi doesn't mean the front office does

[Chanel Bomber]

not to say that RJ is as good or can be as good as these guys but, the RJ/Randle tandem remind me of a forward version of the AI/Stackhouse, Ellis/Curry situations.

Their weaknesses overlap and their strengths don't complement each other. It's pretty striking.

[Clyde_Style]

randle could be a finisher if he had a different personality/ego

Randle would be fine as a finisher when he is already going downhill either because he dribbled past his man or is fed the ball on the way in. Anything else is dubious

If we’re stuck with him, turn him into a project and re-educate him to play off the ball and to either shoot or move the ball in 3 seconds or less. The dribble for 10 seconds and shoot guy is being owned by the league and needs to be rebooted

It's possible this is what we are witnessing and Randle's reaction or adjustment to it.

It very well could be.

If so, it will take time, because

(a) learning how to play basketball in the middle of your career is challenging
(b) he is lazy so he will need to have it pounded into him
(c) he will remain resentful for some time until he can adjust to being a complementary player and not the focus

The team clearly is better running through RJ who looks like he reached the fukit moment and is asserting his primacy.

This may be a struggle for power and the heart of the team. In that case, RJ wins. He's winning and he'll take over and Randle will have to adapt or go into the doghouse

Best scenario is trading Randle NOW

[thebuzzardman]

derrick rose is significantly more talented than julius randle. randle can do a little bit of this and a little bit of that for a guy with his build, but none of it is high-calibre. it just appears that way when justified by shots made

Rose can't play 35 mpg game in, game out. Availability is a talent too. Edge Randle.

Again, Randle is good, but might not be good in a way that's conducive to winning with him as a lead. Then the Knicks made a mistake giving him more years and money

or

Randle should be a secondary/tertiary player which will either work, or Randle isn't suited by either disposition or attitude or maybe even ability, which means the Knicks made a slightly different version of the mistake mentioned above.

our derrick rose unit played better than our randle unit. we won more games after we acquired him. i'm not saying he should be slotted as our primary option or leader in MPG, just that he is more talented. he was super available for significant minutes prior to this ankle surgery, too. anyway, my point isn't to say that we should run our offense through derrick rose lol. just saying that the criteria that makes randle our "most talented" player is a criteria i strongly disagree with

Rose unit tended to play reserves.

I've used up my keystroke allotment of even vaguely defending Randle.

[Clyde_Style]

In other developing news Evan Fournier has been decent for a couple of games now. *hides*

I was waiting for this happen. he had such a bad shooting start to the season but things even out a little now.
if he only would make 5 mio per year less.......

Fournier can still be a solid contributing member of the team. There's more going on than just his lousy start. The whole team dynamic has been off. Yes, his D will continue to be a hole, but if he can find his stroke you can compensate for that.

[evevale]

just wanted to say a few things:

- i admire buggin's courage in his contrarian take of defending julius' struggles and understanding the humanity of the situation. someone has to have a heart even if it's just for arguments sake

- 3tothebackmelo traitor. letting his hero drown in a pool of his own piss and blood ... such dishonor, such heart wrenching tragedy. i can barely stand to see it but i can't look away ...

- forgiveness is an essential virtue. free nykmentality 2022.

- rj looked really great but let's not forget he was blocked 40 times in 1 game by timelord. temper our reactions/expectations with reality. he did play his best game of his career in the wake of julius' worst game as a knick. perhaps the young boy smells blood in the water? a dark assassin in our midst.

please continue.

[CDAZ]

Wish I had patience to upload Randle ignoring RJ’s dap because he’s jealous.

Do it

Ask and you shall receive. Would like to see the Randle fans explain why he is such a terrible person. Make this go viral.

https://streamable.com/uqny1b

Yikes

[rajajackal]

Rose can't play 35 mpg game in, game out. Availability is a talent too. Edge Randle.

Again, Randle is good, but might not be good in a way that's conducive to winning with him as a lead. Then the Knicks made a mistake giving him more years and money

or

Randle should be a secondary/tertiary player which will either work, or Randle isn't suited by either disposition or attitude or maybe even ability, which means the Knicks made a slightly different version of the mistake mentioned above.

our derrick rose unit played better than our randle unit. we won more games after we acquired him. i'm not saying he should be slotted as our primary option or leader in MPG, just that he is more talented. he was super available for significant minutes prior to this ankle surgery, too. anyway, my point isn't to say that we should run our offense through derrick rose lol. just saying that the criteria that makes randle our "most talented" player is a criteria i strongly disagree with

Rose unit tended to play reserves.

I've used up my keystroke allotment of even vaguely defending Randle.

i never really considered this a strong argument. randle played vs reserves a ton, rose vs starters. rose finishing games. the point is, one player made the players around him better, the other player forces his teammates to live or die by his individual shooting %

[blueNorange]

star j's last 7 games

22 ppg on 17 shots, 46% fg and 38% from 3

randle's last 7 games

16 ppg on 16 shots, 38% fg and 28% from 3

[Chanel Bomber]

Randle would be fine as a finisher when he is already going downhill either because he dribbled past his man or is fed the ball on the way in. Anything else is dubious

If we’re stuck with him, turn him into a project and re-educate him to play off the ball and to either shoot or move the ball in 3 seconds or less. The dribble for 10 seconds and shoot guy is being owned by the league and needs to be rebooted

It's possible this is what we are witnessing and Randle's reaction or adjustment to it.

It very well could be.

If so, it will take time, because

(a) learning how to play basketball in the middle of your career is challenging
(b) he is lazy so he will need to have it pounded into him
(c) he will remain resentful for some time until he can adjust to being a complementary player and not the focus

The team clearly is better running through RJ who looks like he reached the fukit moment and is asserting his primacy.

This may be a struggle for power and the heart of the team. In that case, RJ wins. He's winning and he'll take over and Randle will have to adapt or go into the doghouse

Best scenario is trading Randle NOW

It's not going to be easy for Randle - as it wouldn't for any other human I reckon - to give up the keys to a younger player, let alone one who used to be his rookie.

Then you consider how Randle was put on a pedestal last year by the NBA, by the media, by the Knicks organization, by the Garden crowd.

And cherry on top of the cake, RJ hasn't played any better than Randle this season except for the last week or so.

So it's gonna be a hard sell.

That's why, as you said, the best way to solve this situation is to trade Randle now.

Then you can give RJ the keys, and see if he succeeds or fails in that role, without having to deal with Randle's ego (not saying this in a negative light - just as a matter of fact).

[Clyde_Style]

It's possible this is what we are witnessing and Randle's reaction or adjustment to it.

It very well could be.

If so, it will take time, because

(a) learning how to play basketball in the middle of your career is challenging
(b) he is lazy so he will need to have it pounded into him
(c) he will remain resentful for some time until he can adjust to being a complementary player and not the focus

The team clearly is better running through RJ who looks like he reached the fukit moment and is asserting his primacy.

This may be a struggle for power and the heart of the team. In that case, RJ wins. He's winning and he'll take over and Randle will have to adapt or go into the doghouse

Best scenario is trading Randle NOW

It's not going to be easy for Randle - as it wouldn't for any other human I reckon - to give up the keys to a younger player, let alone one who used to be his rookie.

Then you consider how Randle was put on a pedestal last year by the NBA, by the media, by the Knicks organization, by the Garden crowd.

And cherry on top of the cake, RJ hasn't played any better than Randle this season except for the last week or so.

So it's gonna be a hard sell.

That's why, as you said, the best way to solve this situation is to trade Randle now.

Then you can give RJ the keys, and see if he succeeds or fails in that role, without having to deal with Randle's ego (not saying this in a negative light - just as a matter of fact).

Exactly

The FO has to see that Randle is not the centerpiece

And they do not have to know that RJ is the answer

But this is the moment to give RJ the keys and find out

So Randle needs to go quickly

And if they're smart they'll take 70 cents on the dollar and not try to Morey their way out of this with a month to go

Just be sensible and move on from Randle NOW while you still have the chance to do it

Otherwise, this FO will go down in flames being hitched to Randle. Getting rid of him now is their only hope at keeping their jobs regardless of the publicity hit coming from stupid people and media trolls

They just have to sell Dolan on it now which I don't think will be that hard. Dolan HATES this drama more than us. He is probably going to be fine with removing Randle as the face of the franchise with the way he has behaved

[Clyde_Style]

Do it

Ask and you shall receive. Would like to see the Randle fans explain why he is such a terrible person. Make this go viral.

https://streamable.com/uqny1b

Yikes

Not cool

Anyone who sees that and pretends the locker room is not tiptoeing around Randle is delusional

RJ and Evan said nice things about Randle, because that's what you do. You keep it private if something is going to be said. Otherwise, you go to work and do your job while your co-worker sulks which is probably what they do every day with Randle

[Kampuchea]

Randle is going to turn it around. RJ started slow and is now coming back (just like last year), I expect Randle to similarly improve. He is not going to continue shooting at the current low rate if you look at his career shooting, he may not achieve the standards of last year either but somewhere in between would be great and realistic.

With RJ and Fournier now picking it up I am expecting things to open up for us and Randle to start taking advantage. We are going to have a strong finish to the season, especially when Rose and Noel are back in the mix.

[Clyde_Style]

- rj looked really great but let's not forget he was blocked 40 times in 1 game by timelord. temper our reactions/expectations with reality. he did play his best game of his career in the wake of julius' worst game as a knick. perhaps the young boy smells blood in the water? a dark assassin in our midst.

1) RJ is alternating between bull in china shop getting blocked and trying out his DWade stop in the paint and side/back-stepping his way into a baby jumper. The more he mixes it up, the more savvy he'll become about when he can go all the way in and convert (like his slick under and around the basket lay-in last night)

2) RJ is asserting himself and trying to take over games. Sometimes it's working which gives him the confidence to keep trying to dictate the terms of engagement. RJ is stubborn, so if something only works half the time he will keep hammering on it until he makes it work 75% of the time. That's what we're seeing during this streak. Last night whatever he was doing seemed to work 80% of the time with a few blocks, missed dunks and turnovers in between.

RJ's the real captain on this team now. You could see his teammates losing their minds watching him play last night. They've got his back

[G_K_F]

Randle is going to turn it around. RJ started slow and is now coming back (just like last year), I expect Randle to similarly improve. He is not going to continue shooting at the current low rate if you look at his career shooting, he may not achieve the standards of last year either but somewhere in between would be great and realistic.

With RJ and Fournier now picking it up I am expecting things to open up for us and Randle to start taking advantage. We are going to have a strong finish to the season, especially when Rose and Noel are back in the mix.

Somewhere in between would be what he was doing before last season, which was never 'great'.

Relying on perennially injured guys like Rose, Noel, Kemba and even Mitch is what's wrong with this team.