2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[LarSiN]

When I heard that Haliburton may be on his way out of Sacramento I was expecting to see the board going crazy but I really haven’t seen much about it here. I think he would be an amazing addition and could pan out to be an amazing PG beside Scottie OG Trent and whoever else we decide to build around. Is it just that we are unlikely to get him or am I just rating him too highly?

Haven't heard that, but I'd kind of doubt SAC would want to move him (especially when they're trying to move Hield)

[wegotthabeet]

Mo bamba.

Always thought he’d take his entire rookie scale to become a prospect.

After 4 years in Orlando, Assuming he isn’t completely brain dead basketball wise, I’d like to see if we can acquire his bird rights for cheap.

Ridiculous athlete and shouldn’t cost much more than 10 million a year on a mid term deal.

Would love to get Mo.

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[Raptors_128]

Raptors get: Ayton
Suns get: Capela + Reddish + 2023 Raps 1st
Hawks get: GTJ + Achiuwa + Flynn

Raptors trade GTJ to upgrade at our weakest position and pickup a young starting 5 with star potential.

FVV/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Ayton

Suns do not want to pay Ayton a max for his role on the current team after handing out massive deals to Booker/CP3/Bridges. The Suns pickup a much cheaper replacement in Capela that already has experience playing with CP3. Capela can play Ayton’s current role on the Suns team (rim protector, roller, lob threat, screener, etc.). The Suns also get a big wing with potential to add to their rotation who has 2 cheap years of control.

CP3/Booker/Bridges/Crowder/Capela

Hawks fans want to move on from Capela and give more minutes to Okongwu. Bogdanovic/Williams are having a poor season. Hawks are struggling defensively this season and are looking at defensive upgrades. GTJ is a two-way wing that can drop 20 on any given night. Hawks also pickup two fairly recent 1st round picks still under the rookie contract to supplement their roster especially with extensions for Trae/Huerter kicking in next season. Hawks have needed a backup PG as Wright isn’t working out for them this year. Flynn has not been good this year but he did have a very good stretch to end last season when he got consistent minutes.

Young/GTJ/Hunter/Collins/Okongwu

[Spida888]

Raptors get: Ayton
Suns get: Capela + Reddish + 2023 Raps 1st
Hawks get: GTJ + Achiuwa + Flynn

Raptors trade GTJ to upgrade at our weakest position and pickup a young starting 5 with star potential.

FVV/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Ayton

Suns do not want to pay Ayton a max for his role on the current team after handing out massive deals to Booker/CP3/Bridges. The Suns pickup a much cheaper replacement in Capela that already has experience playing with CP3. Capela can play Ayton’s current role on the Suns team (rim protector, roller, lob threat, screener, etc.). The Suns also get a big wing with potential to add to their rotation who has 2 cheap years of control.

CP3/Booker/Bridges/Crowder/Capela

Hawks fans want to move on from Capela and give more minutes to Okongwu. Bogdanovic/Williams are having a poor season. Hawks are struggling defensively this season and are looking at defensive upgrades. GTJ is a two-way wing that can drop 20 on any given night. Hawks also pickup two fairly recent 1st round picks still under the rookie contract to supplement their roster especially with extensions for Trae/Huerter kicking in next season. Hawks have needed a backup PG as Wright isn’t working out for them this year. Flynn has not been good this year but he did have a very good stretch to end last season when he got consistent minutes.

Young/GTJ/Hunter/Collins/Okongwu

I really like Ayton and would love him on the team especially if the main outgoing piece is Trent. My guess is Suns won't trade Ayton during the season and will evaluate his playoff performance, and also offers he gets in the offseason.

The only thing I wonder is our comfort level of paying 2 max level contracts with Fred's contract basically expiring next season.

If the framework of the deal is Pascal for Ayton instead of Trent + FRP + young pieces, do you still do it?

[Psubs]

When I heard that Haliburton may be on his way out of Sacramento I was expecting to see the board going crazy but I really haven’t seen much about it here. I think he would be an amazing addition and could pan out to be an amazing PG beside Scottie OG Trent and whoever else we decide to build around. Is it just that we are unlikely to get him or am I just rating him too highly?

Haven't heard that, but I'd kind of doubt SAC would want to move him (especially when they're trying to move Hield)

Haliburton is the only untouchable player on that team.

[youreachiteach]

John Collins is unhappy. Come on let's get on that! Pascal for him plus something to make the money work?

It's interesting. I notice Collins has the tools but often takes shots outside the offence and despite playing hard lacks a bit of basketball IQ. If he were to come cheap, why not---but not Pascal for certain. Something like Dragic, Boucher and an unprotected first?
Probably not enough, but I'm not comfortable trading Siakam for a malcontent forward.

[agkagk]

Raptors get: Ayton
Suns get: Capela + Reddish + 2023 Raps 1st
Hawks get: GTJ + Achiuwa + Flynn

Raptors trade GTJ to upgrade at our weakest position and pickup a young starting 5 with star potential.

FVV/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Ayton

Suns do not want to pay Ayton a max for his role on the current team after handing out massive deals to Booker/CP3/Bridges. The Suns pickup a much cheaper replacement in Capela that already has experience playing with CP3. Capela can play Ayton’s current role on the Suns team (rim protector, roller, lob threat, screener, etc.). The Suns also get a big wing with potential to add to their rotation who has 2 cheap years of control.

CP3/Booker/Bridges/Crowder/Capela

Hawks fans want to move on from Capela and give more minutes to Okongwu. Bogdanovic/Williams are having a poor season. Hawks are struggling defensively this season and are looking at defensive upgrades. GTJ is a two-way wing that can drop 20 on any given night. Hawks also pickup two fairly recent 1st round picks still under the rookie contract to supplement their roster especially with extensions for Trae/Huerter kicking in next season. Hawks have needed a backup PG as Wright isn’t working out for them this year. Flynn has not been good this year but he did have a very good stretch to end last season when he got consistent minutes.

Young/GTJ/Hunter/Collins/Okongwu

I really like Ayton and would love him on the team especially if the main outgoing piece is Trent. My guess is Suns won't trade Ayton during the season and will evaluate his playoff performance, and also offers he gets in the offseason.

The only thing I wonder is our comfort level of paying 2 max level contracts with Fred's contract basically expiring next season.

If the framework of the deal is Pascal for Ayton instead of Trent + FRP + young pieces, do you still do it?

How many people here would be comfortable paying Ayton considerably more than Capela?

I don’t watch the suns much, but on paper they seem comparable.

Just curious to hear people’s thoughts!

[Raptors_128]

Raptors get: Ayton
Suns get: Capela + Reddish + 2023 Raps 1st
Hawks get: GTJ + Achiuwa + Flynn

Raptors trade GTJ to upgrade at our weakest position and pickup a young starting 5 with star potential.

FVV/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Ayton

Suns do not want to pay Ayton a max for his role on the current team after handing out massive deals to Booker/CP3/Bridges. The Suns pickup a much cheaper replacement in Capela that already has experience playing with CP3. Capela can play Ayton’s current role on the Suns team (rim protector, roller, lob threat, screener, etc.). The Suns also get a big wing with potential to add to their rotation who has 2 cheap years of control.

CP3/Booker/Bridges/Crowder/Capela

Hawks fans want to move on from Capela and give more minutes to Okongwu. Bogdanovic/Williams are having a poor season. Hawks are struggling defensively this season and are looking at defensive upgrades. GTJ is a two-way wing that can drop 20 on any given night. Hawks also pickup two fairly recent 1st round picks still under the rookie contract to supplement their roster especially with extensions for Trae/Huerter kicking in next season. Hawks have needed a backup PG as Wright isn’t working out for them this year. Flynn has not been good this year but he did have a very good stretch to end last season when he got consistent minutes.

Young/GTJ/Hunter/Collins/Okongwu

I really like Ayton and would love him on the team especially if the main outgoing piece is Trent. My guess is Suns won't trade Ayton during the season and will evaluate his playoff performance, and also offers he gets in the offseason.

The only thing I wonder is our comfort level of paying 2 max level contracts with Fred's contract basically expiring next season.

If the framework of the deal is Pascal for Ayton instead of Trent + FRP + young pieces, do you still do it?

Yeah that’s fair as they can also sign-and-trade him in the off-season (although it will hardcap them I believe).

I don’t think he signs for anything less than a 4-year max with the Spurs/Thunder/Pistons having max cap space. As you said Raps really gotta decide if he’s worth a max.

Maybe I’m being a homer but I would want more back from the Suns for Siakam with the way he’s playing now. Versatile forwards that can pass, defend, and shoot the 3 ball are very valuable in this league. Every team wants them.

If it’s Ayton + for Siakam then I would do it I think.

[Spida888]

Raptors get: Ayton
Suns get: Capela + Reddish + 2023 Raps 1st
Hawks get: GTJ + Achiuwa + Flynn

Raptors trade GTJ to upgrade at our weakest position and pickup a young starting 5 with star potential.

FVV/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Ayton

Suns do not want to pay Ayton a max for his role on the current team after handing out massive deals to Booker/CP3/Bridges. The Suns pickup a much cheaper replacement in Capela that already has experience playing with CP3. Capela can play Ayton’s current role on the Suns team (rim protector, roller, lob threat, screener, etc.). The Suns also get a big wing with potential to add to their rotation who has 2 cheap years of control.

CP3/Booker/Bridges/Crowder/Capela

Hawks fans want to move on from Capela and give more minutes to Okongwu. Bogdanovic/Williams are having a poor season. Hawks are struggling defensively this season and are looking at defensive upgrades. GTJ is a two-way wing that can drop 20 on any given night. Hawks also pickup two fairly recent 1st round picks still under the rookie contract to supplement their roster especially with extensions for Trae/Huerter kicking in next season. Hawks have needed a backup PG as Wright isn’t working out for them this year. Flynn has not been good this year but he did have a very good stretch to end last season when he got consistent minutes.

Young/GTJ/Hunter/Collins/Okongwu

I really like Ayton and would love him on the team especially if the main outgoing piece is Trent. My guess is Suns won't trade Ayton during the season and will evaluate his playoff performance, and also offers he gets in the offseason.

The only thing I wonder is our comfort level of paying 2 max level contracts with Fred's contract basically expiring next season.

If the framework of the deal is Pascal for Ayton instead of Trent + FRP + young pieces, do you still do it?

Yeah that’s fair as they can also sign-and-trade him in the off-season (although it will hardcap them I believe).

I don’t think he signs for anything less than a 4-year max with the Spurs/Thunder/Pistons having max cap space. As you said Raps really gotta decide if he’s worth a max.

Maybe I’m being a homer but I would want more back from the Suns for Siakam with the way he’s playing now. Versatile forwards that can pass, defend, and shoot the 3 ball are very valuable in this league. Every team wants them.

If it’s Ayton + for Siakam then I would do it I think.

Agreed, Pascal to his credit has been playing well lately. His new rebounding surge is a nice surprise. Shooting has improved as well.

Like you said, if we were swapping Pascal with Ayton, then I would like some kind of sweetener back as well.

[Consequence]

This is some real twisted stuff, sickos only click the spoiler

Spoiler:

PHI out:
Harris
Simmons
Reed

PHI in:
Beverley
Prince
Okogie
Layman
Dragic
Boucher
Birch
Toronto '23 1st

MIN out:
Russell
Beverley
Prince
Okogie
Layman

MIN in:
Harris
Simmons

TOR out:
Dragic
Boucher
Birch
'23 1st

TOR in:
Reed
Russell

Philly now has space to sign Harden to the max this offseason and still keep Green around to trade with the TOR 1st and whatever else next year for the last pieces they need.

[Morris_Shatford]

Interesting.

My first thought when I heard Philly was looking to include Harris in any Simmons trade was that all of a sudden the need for expiring salary ballast has gone up.

As a potential fourth team in any trade;
Our expirings of Dragic, Boucher, and Bonga are enough to offset Simmons salary so any team looking to acquire Simmons could move some of the non-expiring deals to Toronto for our pile of expirings which could end up wherever with some light compensation to us.

[Los_29]

When I heard that Haliburton may be on his way out of Sacramento I was expecting to see the board going crazy but I really haven’t seen much about it here. I think he would be an amazing addition and could pan out to be an amazing PG beside Scottie OG Trent and whoever else we decide to build around. Is it just that we are unlikely to get him or am I just rating him too highly?

Haven't heard that, but I'd kind of doubt SAC would want to move him (especially when they're trying to move Hield)

Haliburton is the only untouchable player on that team.

I don't think Sacramento has any untouchable players. Haliburton isn't good enough to be untouchable.

[Ell Curry]

How about Ross and Bamba for Dragic, Achiuwa and an unprotected first?

Achiuwa and an unprotected first is the opposite of cheap lol.

A precious - mo Bamba combo at the 5 next season would be something I could get behind.

I suspect you could get Ross and Bamba for Dragic and the 1st. I’m not sure I want to do that as Bamba needs to get paid next year.

Orlando has 31 and 35 so maybe this?

Dragic + Raps 2022 1st top 18 protected
for
Bamba + Ross + #31 or #35

[youreachiteach]

That's really nice. Awesome idea!

[Ell Curry]

Interesting.

My first thought when I heard Philly was looking to include Harris in any Simmons trade was that all of a sudden the need for expiring salary ballast has gone up.

As a potential fourth team in any trade;
Our expirings of Dragic, Boucher, and Bonga are enough to offset Simmons salary so any team looking to acquire Simmons could move some of the non-expiring deals to Toronto for our pile of expirings which could end up wherever with some light compensation to us.

Could also be a separate Harris deal where a forward-hungry team like Indiana, Sacramento, Cleveland or Minnesota sends us a player and we send Dragic and Boucher to Philly, and helping them get Harden is fine as it hurts the Nets.

[Madhouse]

Precious is just slowly starting coming into his own. I would hate to trade him.

[Psubs]

Haven't heard that, but I'd kind of doubt SAC would want to move him (especially when they're trying to move Hield)

Haliburton is the only untouchable player on that team.

I don't think Sacramento has any untouchable players. Haliburton isn't good enough to be untouchable.

He's shooting 46/43/80 with 6.9 assists and only 2.2 turnovers! When I mean untouchable, I mean it wouldn't make sense to trade him in a scenario to compete or rebuild.

Once Fox is off the team like Sexton in Cleveland, you'll see Haliburton is good enough like Garland.

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[Raptors_128]

Raptors get: Ayton
Suns get: Capela + Reddish + 2023 Raps 1st
Hawks get: GTJ + Achiuwa + Flynn

Raptors trade GTJ to upgrade at our weakest position and pickup a young starting 5 with star potential.

FVV/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Ayton

Suns do not want to pay Ayton a max for his role on the current team after handing out massive deals to Booker/CP3/Bridges. The Suns pickup a much cheaper replacement in Capela that already has experience playing with CP3. Capela can play Ayton’s current role on the Suns team (rim protector, roller, lob threat, screener, etc.). The Suns also get a big wing with potential to add to their rotation who has 2 cheap years of control.

CP3/Booker/Bridges/Crowder/Capela

Hawks fans want to move on from Capela and give more minutes to Okongwu. Bogdanovic/Williams are having a poor season. Hawks are struggling defensively this season and are looking at defensive upgrades. GTJ is a two-way wing that can drop 20 on any given night. Hawks also pickup two fairly recent 1st round picks still under the rookie contract to supplement their roster especially with extensions for Trae/Huerter kicking in next season. Hawks have needed a backup PG as Wright isn’t working out for them this year. Flynn has not been good this year but he did have a very good stretch to end last season when he got consistent minutes.

Young/GTJ/Hunter/Collins/Okongwu

I really like Ayton and would love him on the team especially if the main outgoing piece is Trent. My guess is Suns won't trade Ayton during the season and will evaluate his playoff performance, and also offers he gets in the offseason.

The only thing I wonder is our comfort level of paying 2 max level contracts with Fred's contract basically expiring next season.

If the framework of the deal is Pascal for Ayton instead of Trent + FRP + young pieces, do you still do it?

How many people here would be comfortable paying Ayton considerably more than Capela?

I don’t watch the suns much, but on paper they seem comparable.

Just curious to hear people’s thoughts!

I would pay more for the two-way ability honestly.

Ayton offensively is much much better than Capela whereas Capela as a rim protector has been better. Ayton’s not a defensive sieve either, he was great defensively during the Suns finals run and a big part of that run.

Capela struggles guarding the perimeter (constantly got played off the floor when GSW played small ball with Green at the 5) and can’t really stay on the floor late in games due to his poor free throw shooting. Ayton did a great job on the perimeter in the Suns finals run and he’s a good free throw shooter. He can play/defend in all situations so he’s not going to be run off the floor in crunch time.

[Ell Curry]

Haven't heard that, but I'd kind of doubt SAC would want to move him (especially when they're trying to move Hield)

Haliburton is the only untouchable player on that team.

I don't think Sacramento has any untouchable players. Haliburton isn't good enough to be untouchable.

He'd be so nice here as the 3rd guard we need who can both backup Van Vleet and play 20 minutes next to him in the non-Trent SG minutes and close games at the 2. But I can't see us getting him without giving up a starter. Even something like this: probably isn't enough

Raptors - Horrible Team X Contract + Haliburton
Team X - Dragic + Boucher expirings
Sacramento - Achiuwa| + Banton + 2022 Raptors 1st + Team X 1st

because I don't think teams are so desperate for cap space as to give up a good first to saddle us with an ugly 22-23 deal like Kevin Love's or Terrence Ross' or whoever and Sacramento sending Haliburton out for 2 firsts still isn't enough value unless that 2nd pick is real high.