Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Moderators: penbeast0, trex_8063, PaulieWal, Doctor MJ, Clyde Frazier
Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 10,776
- And1: 3,331
- Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
If we could move these 10 stars from the 90's, at their peak, to today's league, which would suffer the most drop off in level of play due to the new game?
I am leaving off MJ, Hakeem and DRob-since they would be as or more awesome today
My vote is Malone-I think the Mailman would really drop off. His physical style would not be allowed and, while a good defender, he could not protect the rim
I am leaving off MJ, Hakeem and DRob-since they would be as or more awesome today
My vote is Malone-I think the Mailman would really drop off. His physical style would not be allowed and, while a good defender, he could not protect the rim
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,443
- And1: 5,966
- Joined: Apr 13, 2021
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 7,053
- And1: 3,850
- Joined: Oct 04, 2018
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
From that list it might be Ewing honestly. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be a top center today, but I'd argue him clearly worse than Jokic and Embiid(when healthy) at that position.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,443
- And1: 5,966
- Joined: Apr 13, 2021
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
No-more-rings wrote:From that list it might be Ewing honestly. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be a top center today, but I'd argue him clearly worse than Jokic and Embiid(when healthy) at that position.
was not he already clearly worse than robinson and hakeem in his own era ?
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
- Ryoga Hibiki
- RealGM
- Posts: 11,134
- And1: 6,508
- Joined: Nov 14, 2001
- Location: Warszawa now, but from Northern Italy
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Слава Украине!
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,065
- And1: 2,945
- Joined: Mar 21, 2013
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Rodman then Drexler
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 28,501
- And1: 23,475
- Joined: Aug 11, 2015
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Don't see any reason why Mutombo wouldn't be able to reach Rudy Gobert level today.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 7,053
- And1: 3,850
- Joined: Oct 04, 2018
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
falcolombardi wrote:No-more-rings wrote:From that list it might be Ewing honestly. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be a top center today, but I'd argue him clearly worse than Jokic and Embiid(when healthy) at that position.
was not he already clearly worse than robinson and hakeem in his own era ?
Yeah but that doesn’t change my point. I feel if he maintained his real time impact he’d at least have a good case over embiid. I can’t see it if he played today, he didn’t have nearly Embiid’s offensive arsenal.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,380
- And1: 10,184
- Joined: Jun 13, 2017
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
SHAQ32 wrote:Rodman then Drexler
These two came to my mind but at the same time Rodman could shoot to some degree so might be ok. He mainly just chose to not shoot after about 92 and focus entirely on rebounding/defense which his coaches were ok with.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,443
- And1: 5,966
- Joined: Apr 13, 2021
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Cavsfansince84 wrote:SHAQ32 wrote:Rodman then Drexler
These two came to my mind but at the same time Rodman could shoot to some degree so might be ok. He mainly just chose to not shoot after about 92 and focus entirely on rebounding/defense which his coaches were ok with.
is not like drexler was ben simmons either
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
- Dr Positivity
- RealGM
- Posts: 59,694
- And1: 15,486
- Joined: Apr 29, 2009
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Payton. His defense is not as good against smaller players before considering handcheck rule, although he could play as a SG. Offensively his game is somewhat dated.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
- prolific passer
- Analyst
- Posts: 3,669
- And1: 1,264
- Joined: Mar 11, 2009
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
How would Ewing and Malone be bad due to them being athletic, strong, and fast bigs who can play in the low post, high post, and mid range? Ewing from 88-97 was great. Same with Malone from 88-98. Rodman from 87-92 (maybe even 93) would probably thrive in this era.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 28,501
- And1: 23,475
- Joined: Aug 11, 2015
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
No-more-rings wrote:falcolombardi wrote:No-more-rings wrote:From that list it might be Ewing honestly. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be a top center today, but I'd argue him clearly worse than Jokic and Embiid(when healthy) at that position.
was not he already clearly worse than robinson and hakeem in his own era ?
Yeah but that doesn’t change my point. I feel if he maintained his real time impact he’d at least have a good case over embiid. I can’t see it if he played today, he didn’t have nearly Embiid’s offensive arsenal.
Ewing was far smarter defensive player though, with higher motor as well.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 11,422
- And1: 9,019
- Joined: Jan 07, 2018
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
I've to go with Payton here.
Significantly less impactful defensively and similar issues shooting wise as Westbrook has while not being as good athletically or playmaking wise. One can argue a bit better scorer than Westbrook but even then marginally and as a non volume scorer.
Significantly less impactful defensively and similar issues shooting wise as Westbrook has while not being as good athletically or playmaking wise. One can argue a bit better scorer than Westbrook but even then marginally and as a non volume scorer.
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
- Ryoga Hibiki
- RealGM
- Posts: 11,134
- And1: 6,508
- Joined: Nov 14, 2001
- Location: Warszawa now, but from Northern Italy
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
70sFan wrote:
Don't see any reason why Mutombo wouldn't be able to reach Rudy Gobert level today.
less active offensively and way worse hands.
He'd likely replicate his defensive impact but be much more of a negative on offense.
Слава Украине!
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,233
- And1: 4,846
- Joined: Mar 28, 2020
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
I voted Rodman but I think that was a shortsighted choice. Looking at how effective Jarred Vanderbilt is for the Grizzlies at the moment and considering how Rodman is a better perimeter defender, better passer and better at their primary skill of rebounding as well I'm not sure Rodman would actually be that much worse now than in the 90s. He probably wouldn't make an All-Star team in today's league but his impact overall probably wouldn't drop that significantly either way.
Instead I agree on Payton probably taking the biggest hit when transitioning to the current era. His defense wouldn't be as effective and his shooting and passing is lacking for a modern PG.
Instead I agree on Payton probably taking the biggest hit when transitioning to the current era. His defense wouldn't be as effective and his shooting and passing is lacking for a modern PG.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 28,501
- And1: 23,475
- Joined: Aug 11, 2015
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:70sFan wrote:
Don't see any reason why Mutombo wouldn't be able to reach Rudy Gobert level today.
less active offensively and way worse hands.
He'd likely replicate his offensive impact but be much more of a negative on offense.
I don't think Mutombo would be negative on offense. Remember that teams asked him to play in the post back then, while his true strengths (finishing, screen setting) were underutilized.
Rudy has been playing ridiculous on offense this season, so you might be right. At the same time, I think that Mutombo was a bit better defender even adjusting for modern era. I don't know, I think it's close.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- Sixth Man
- Posts: 1,672
- And1: 2,102
- Joined: Jan 15, 2018
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Rodman might still be a good hustler, but I think it would be much harder nowadays to fit him into a contender.
Maybe Drexler, too, but he improved his 3pt shot towards the end of his career, who knows how good an SG he would have been had he practiced in the three-ball era.
I think Ewing and Malone would be fine. If your mid-range is super good, you can still do very well with it.
Maybe Drexler, too, but he improved his 3pt shot towards the end of his career, who knows how good an SG he would have been had he practiced in the three-ball era.
I think Ewing and Malone would be fine. If your mid-range is super good, you can still do very well with it.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 31,384
- And1: 19,568
- Joined: Feb 13, 2013
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Gary Payton and Dikembe Mutombo
I think Stockton and Miller would rise the most
I think Stockton and Miller would rise the most
tsherkin wrote:Locked due to absence of adult conversation.
penbeast0 wrote:Guys, if you don't have anything to say, don't post.
Circa 2018
E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
Circa 2022
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 10,776
- And1: 3,331
- Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Re: Which 90's Star would drop the most in the present era?
Remember, this is relative-how much would they drop from their level of the 90's. KMalone was a 2 time MVP in the 90's-I don't see him landing in the top 5 today. Still a great player, of course, but his game was built for that era
Payton is my other top choice-he couldn't have been as physical on D and he wasn't a good shooter. One of my all time favorite players, but he would not be a top 10 player today
Payton is my other top choice-he couldn't have been as physical on D and he wasn't a good shooter. One of my all time favorite players, but he would not be a top 10 player today