76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons

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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#21 » by dougthonus » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:53 pm

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BigGargamel wrote:Jesus, Morey is the worst.

I have a guy like this in my fantasy football league. Fair trades were never enough, dude always had to push for something extra to make it silly. Everyone just stopped trading with him all together. Morey is that guy in real life.


Who in the league has 70 million in salary to move around like that, to add play now pieces and an allstar to bascially step backward? The worst.


I could see the Hawks doing this..our defensive is terrible AF and John Collins keeps crying about touches and play no D...Maybe something like this:
Hawks Get:
Simmons $31.5 Mill
Tobias $36 MIll

76ers Get:
John Collins 23 Mill
Danilo $20 Mill (expiring)
Bogdan $18 MIll
Cam Reddish $4 Mill

And maybe some picks..
Altanta still have shooters in Trae, Huerter (who just signed a long contact) and the defense improves with Simmons and Hunter on the wing. Not saying I would do it but I can see Atlanta doing it. GM was on the radio saying he was going to be aggressive with trades


I think Atlanta is worse after this trade and has less room to improve.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#22 » by dougthonus » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:00 pm

Psubs wrote:Phi trades: Simmons, Tobias and cash
OKC trades: Favors and Muscala

PG SGA
SG Dort
SF Giddey
PF Tobias
C Simmons


Doesn't work in ESPN trade machine, but I'm not sure why, I think the Trade Machine is holding cap holds for their trade exceptions which based on their salaries they don't actually have because they're under the cap even after adding their trade exceptions on unless I'm missing something.

So assuming TM is wrong, and this does work, if Philly is looking to generate cap room, this is a really viable trade for both teams. OKC could even give up three of its lousy 1st round draft choices to make Philly feel like they got something else without hurting themselves.

Given OKC probably can't attract talent, this would be a meaningful way for them to add in some real players. That said, it's paying a lot of money for Harris relative to his ability level, but it could be enough total talent to bring OKC back to the playoffs, but it gives up no meaningful value except cap room they can't easily leverage and draft picks which they have in massive abundance and many aren't very good.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#23 » by stepic » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:13 pm

meekrab wrote:So they want to add a negative value contract to the negative value contract they're already trying to move, in order to get more value back?


I think the idea is that they’d be willing to take less back if it meant getting rid of Harris’ contract.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#24 » by SlimD235 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:16 pm

Marc Spears: "I'm hearing they want to include Tobias Harris"

"Me too," replied Windhorst.

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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#25 » by ElectricMayhem » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 pm

SlimD235 wrote:Marc Spears: "I'm hearing they want to include Tobias Harris"

"Me too," replied Windhorst.

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LOL @ Windy


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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#26 » by geminiz » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:59 pm

Lol what's the logic here? Simmons is untradable himself (for the value Morey thinks), let's add another untradable asset in Harris's contract and the two will magically be tradable??

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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#27 » by mihaic » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:28 pm

geminiz wrote:Lol what's the logic here? Simmons is untradable himself (for the value Morey thinks), let's add another untradable asset in Harris's contract and the two will magically be tradable??

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I think now Harris will be pissed off as well. Watch him ask to not play, that'd be something. Maybe he'll say he only wants to be traded to Miami or something, that'd be hilarious.

I'm hearing Westbrook is available :D :D :D :) :) :) :P :P :P
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#28 » by madmaxmedia » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:39 pm

SlimD235 wrote:Marc Spears: "I'm hearing they want to include Tobias Harris"
"Me too," replied Windhorst.
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LOL @ Windy


Laugh if you want, but I've been hearing the same GM talk around the league too.

(by 'GM talk around the league' I mean the RealGM wiretap...)
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#29 » by madmaxmedia » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:41 pm

geminiz wrote:Lol what's the logic here? Simmons is untradable himself (for the value Morey thinks), let's add another untradable asset in Harris's contract and the two will magically be tradable??

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If there is any truth to this rumor, I would take it as a sign that Morey isn't getting the trade offers he wants, so he wants to at least attach Tobias's contract to any potential deal.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#30 » by davesilver » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:46 pm

PHI in: Brown, Bogdan, Collins
PHI out: Ben, Tobias, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd

BOS in: Fox, Hield, Reddish
BOS out: Brown, Smart, Richardson

ATL in: Tobias, Smart, 2022 PHI 1st, 2023 PHI 2nd
ATL out: Bogdan, Collins, Reddish

SAC in: Ben, Richardson
SAC out: Fox, Hield
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#31 » by WRau1 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:47 pm

Lol, get ready for a Simmons + Harris for Wall + Gordon + Wood deal. Both teams deserve it.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#32 » by luciano-davidwesley » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:01 pm

meekrab wrote:So they want to add a negative value contract to the negative value contract they're already trying to move, in order to get more value back?

I think you've summed it up pretty well. If this is the case Morey will be waiting a while.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#33 » by Pickled Prunes » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:12 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:
geminiz wrote:Lol what's the logic here? Simmons is untradable himself (for the value Morey thinks), let's add another untradable asset in Harris's contract and the two will magically be tradable??

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If there is any truth to this rumor, I would take it as a sign that Morey isn't getting the trade offers he wants, so he wants to at least attach Tobias's contract to any potential deal.

Well, he wanted a potential all-star, a young piece and picks for Simmons. If he gets that for Simmons and Harris he can claim he got what he wanted for Simmons and he got out of Harris' contract.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#34 » by Pickled Prunes » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:28 pm

I actually really like Harris. His contract is a bit steep, but he's a solid #3-4 on a good team. The problem is that both Simmons and Harris are capable of being a #3 or 4 on a championship team. When you are giving your #3 and 4 a combined $70M it is impossible to find cap space for a #1 and 2.

Is Dame/Simmons/Harris a championship team?
Is KAT/Simmons/Harris/Russell a championship team?
Is Fox/Simmons/Harris a championship team?
Is Lebron/Simmons/Harris/Westbrook a championship team?

You can do this all the way down the NBA... the answer is "no" across the board.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#35 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:52 pm

James Harden, lol!
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#36 » by step » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:54 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Psubs wrote:Phi trades: Simmons, Tobias and cash
OKC trades: Favors and Muscala

PG SGA
SG Dort
SF Giddey
PF Tobias
C Simmons


Doesn't work in ESPN trade machine, but I'm not sure why, I think the Trade Machine is holding cap holds for their trade exceptions which based on their salaries they don't actually have because they're under the cap even after adding their trade exceptions on unless I'm missing something.

So assuming TM is wrong, and this does work, if Philly is looking to generate cap room, this is a really viable trade for both teams. OKC could even give up three of its lousy 1st round draft choices to make Philly feel like they got something else without hurting themselves.

Given OKC probably can't attract talent, this would be a meaningful way for them to add in some real players. That said, it's paying a lot of money for Harris relative to his ability level, but it could be enough total talent to bring OKC back to the playoffs, but it gives up no meaningful value except cap room they can't easily leverage and draft picks which they have in massive abundance and many aren't very good.

It fails because it would throw OKC above the tax from my understanding. Even though they are well below the cap, there are conditions on which you can exceed it.

Using HoopsHype salaries:
OKC current salary: $78,327,385
Minus Favours: $9,720,900
Minus Muscala: $3,500,000
Plus Harris: $35,995,950
Plus Simmons: $33,003,936
= 134,106,371
And Harris has a trade bonus too of $1,800,000
Simmons has a 15% trade kicker = $4,950,590
Total = $140,856,961 (tax is $136M)

Found this link: https://cbabreakdown.com/salary-cap-exceptions

Taxpaying Scenario —
Rule — If a team’s post-trade team salary would exceed the tax level, then a traded player may be replaced in the same transaction by one or more players whose salaries together do not exceed 125% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000.


Even if they don't go over the cap - Non-Taxpaying Scenario —
Rule — If a team’s post-trade team salary is above the salary cap but below the tax level, then a traded player may be replaced in the same transaction by one or more players whose salaries together do not exceed the greater of (i) the lesser of (A) 175% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000, or (B) the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $5 million, or (ii) 125% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000.

If only they could trade Kemba's salary.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#37 » by objectivefan » Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:02 am

Russ + Ellington for Tobias
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#38 » by nizaam » Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:24 am

what about Simmons for LeBron straight up. LeBron ain't winning again in LA before his career is done and Simmons gives them a new window with AD. LeBron can try for a last chip with Embiid, Harris etc. I think it makes more sense than people think.
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#39 » by jk25 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:13 am

So $60,000? So really they mean, we only want to do a three team trade. Right?
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Re: 76ers Trying To Attach Tobias Harris In Trade Of Ben Simmons 

Post#40 » by The Beam King » Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:01 am

Kings trade: Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, Tristan Thompson and 2 future 1st rounders with top 8 protection.

Sixes trade Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris

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