GT: Nets @ Trail Blazers- 1/10- 10:00 PM EST

[Jay555]

I'm not sure what you assume I'm not watching the games

I've seen almost every Nets game this season

And yes.... this season, with the nature of transient lineups - since Christmas is a good sample size to see the trend

you havent watched all the games if you think defense is the problem or a bigger problem then offense.

its like overwhelmingly offense

like 80-90% offense

like it started when we lost offense/shooting

its not like a 6 of one half dozen of another thing. it is glariling offense

Sorry but no.

I holistically disagree. When I see Harden walking and making no effort to help on straight line drives....

KD out near the top ... not collapsing ...

The only vet I see with a consistent defensive effort is Mills

Do you know why? Harden and KD are top 5 in mins played. They try to conserve energy any chance they get.
Not only do they need to generate O but they need to defend. They are both at the tail end of their prime and are 32+ yo. I can see why they sometimes donot want to do too much on D. If they are spent, their O fall off as they are the only reliable options. KD and Harden tend to brick shots when they are gassed. This has become a reoccurrence lately. Their mins are trending up and up..


How about

1. Limit their mins
2. Get Kyrie to take shot to help their bros!!

Giannis is only about 32 mins per game and dude is young.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not sure what you assume I'm not watching the games

I've seen almost every Nets game this season

And yes.... this season, with the nature of transient lineups - since Christmas is a good sample size to see the trend

you havent watched all the games if you think defense is the problem or a bigger problem then offense.

its like overwhelmingly offense

like 80-90% offense

like it started when we lost offense/shooting

its not like a 6 of one half dozen of another thing. it is glariling offense

Sorry but no.

I holistically disagree. When I see Harden walking and making no effort to help on straight line drives....

KD out near the top ... not collapsing ...

The only vet I see with a consistent defensive effort is Mills

Harden's defense has been terrible on the perimeter.

[MrDollarBills]

Windhorst reported that some executives have speculated that offloading the money of Simmons and Harris could pave the way for the 76ers to pursue James Harden in free agency.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265407/76ers-Trying-To-Include-Tobias-Harris-In-Trade-Of-Ben-Simmons

Morey is lurking around.

Harden will walk this summer if this team continues to implode. And i don't blame him. Sixers have actual coaching and a gameplan on their side.

[CoachD]

you havent watched all the games if you think defense is the problem or a bigger problem then offense.

its like overwhelmingly offense

like 80-90% offense

like it started when we lost offense/shooting

its not like a 6 of one half dozen of another thing. it is glariling offense

Sorry but no.

I holistically disagree. When I see Harden walking and making no effort to help on straight line drives....

KD out near the top ... not collapsing ...

The only vet I see with a consistent defensive effort is Mills

Do you know why? Harden and KD are top 5 in mins played. They try to conserve energy any chance they get.
Not only do they need to generate O but they need to defend. They are both at the tail end of their prime and are 32+ yo. I can see why they sometimes donot want to do too much on D. If they are spent, their O fall off as they are the only reliable options. KD and Harden tend to brick shots when they are gassed. This has become a reoccurrence lately. Their mins are trending up and up..


How about

1. Limit their mins
2. Get Kyrie to take shot to help their bros!!

Giannis is only about 32 mins per game and dude is young.

Sorry but that's an excuse. Harden played the exact same was when he ws 24.

KD is limited laterally and has noticeably lost a step on D since the injury

He floats a lot on offense and looks for guys to get him the ball.... that's fine ... but he's also floating on D.

Would the Nets look better with a sexier half court offense? Sure.... would they be better prepared to win a title this year? No. Because ultimately the defense is so bad, that decent offense will be slowed down in a 7 game series and they'll have issues.

[CoachD]

you havent watched all the games if you think defense is the problem or a bigger problem then offense.

its like overwhelmingly offense

like 80-90% offense

like it started when we lost offense/shooting

its not like a 6 of one half dozen of another thing. it is glariling offense

Sorry but no.

I holistically disagree. When I see Harden walking and making no effort to help on straight line drives....

KD out near the top ... not collapsing ...

The only vet I see with a consistent defensive effort is Mills

Harden's defense has been terrible on the perimeter.

And the interior lol

I can't tell you how many lay ups I saw in that Spurs game where he was the help defender and didn't take 1 step towards the ball

[Jay555]

Sorry but no.

I holistically disagree. When I see Harden walking and making no effort to help on straight line drives....

KD out near the top ... not collapsing ...

The only vet I see with a consistent defensive effort is Mills

Do you know why? Harden and KD are top 5 in mins played. They try to conserve energy any chance they get.
Not only do they need to generate O but they need to defend. They are both at the tail end of their prime and are 32+ yo. I can see why they sometimes donot want to do too much on D. If they are spent, their O fall off as they are the only reliable options. KD and Harden tend to brick shots when they are gassed. This has become a reoccurrence lately. Their mins are trending up and up..


How about

1. Limit their mins
2. Get Kyrie to take shot to help their bros!!

Giannis is only about 32 mins per game and dude is young.

Sorry but that's an excuse. Harden played the exact same was when he ws 24.

KD is limited laterally and has noticeably lost a step on D since the injury

He floats a lot on offense and looks for guys to get him the ball.... that's fine ... but he's also floating on D.

Would the Nets look better with a sexier half court offense? Sure.... would they be better prepared to win a title this year? No. Because ultimately the defense is so bad, that decent offense will be slowed down in a 7 game series and they'll have issues.

Defense is an effort thing. They can up their efforts if they want to but with the mins they are on, I can see why there is a lack of efforts. With Harden, I think it’s more than just efforts. He just doesnot care now with the way this team is going.

Remember we were top 5 in defensive ratings before the LA trip. Something suddenly went off after that and everything fell apart. What’s the internal issues Harden keeps referring to?

Anyways, until we get back a full time Kyrie and replace Nash with a competent coach, you can forget about playoff success and get ready for a potential rebuild next season.

[CoachD]

Do you know why? Harden and KD are top 5 in mins played. They try to conserve energy any chance they get.
Not only do they need to generate O but they need to defend. They are both at the tail end of their prime and are 32+ yo. I can see why they sometimes donot want to do too much on D. If they are spent, their O fall off as they are the only reliable options. KD and Harden tend to brick shots when they are gassed. This has become a reoccurrence lately. Their mins are trending up and up..


How about

1. Limit their mins
2. Get Kyrie to take shot to help their bros!!

Giannis is only about 32 mins per game and dude is young.

Sorry but that's an excuse. Harden played the exact same was when he ws 24.

KD is limited laterally and has noticeably lost a step on D since the injury

He floats a lot on offense and looks for guys to get him the ball.... that's fine ... but he's also floating on D.

Would the Nets look better with a sexier half court offense? Sure.... would they be better prepared to win a title this year? No. Because ultimately the defense is so bad, that decent offense will be slowed down in a 7 game series and they'll have issues.

Defense is an effort thing. They can up their efforts if they want to but with the mins they are on, I can see why there is a lack of efforts. With Harden, I think it’s more than just efforts. He just doesnot care now with the way this team is going.

Remember we were top 5 in defensive ratings before the LA trip. Something suddenly went off after that and everything fell apart. What’s the internal issues Harden keeps referring to?

Anyways, until we get back a full time Kyrie and replace Nash with a competent coach, you can forget about playoff success and get ready for a potential rebuild next season.

Effort is one ingredient of defense.

Also needed is great scouting, preparation, scheme, and communication. Those guys don't talk on the floor when playing D unless they're blaming someone else or putting a hand up to say "my bad"

[Jay555]

Sorry but that's an excuse. Harden played the exact same was when he ws 24.

KD is limited laterally and has noticeably lost a step on D since the injury

He floats a lot on offense and looks for guys to get him the ball.... that's fine ... but he's also floating on D.

Would the Nets look better with a sexier half court offense? Sure.... would they be better prepared to win a title this year? No. Because ultimately the defense is so bad, that decent offense will be slowed down in a 7 game series and they'll have issues.

Defense is an effort thing. They can up their efforts if they want to but with the mins they are on, I can see why there is a lack of efforts. With Harden, I think it’s more than just efforts. He just doesnot care now with the way this team is going.

Remember we were top 5 in defensive ratings before the LA trip. Something suddenly went off after that and everything fell apart. What’s the internal issues Harden keeps referring to?

Anyways, until we get back a full time Kyrie and replace Nash with a competent coach, you can forget about playoff success and get ready for a potential rebuild next season.

Effort is one ingredient of defense.

Also needed is great scouting, preparation, scheme, and communication. Those guys don't talk on the floor when playing D unless they're blaming someone else or putting a hand up to say "my bad"

Exactly what I meant. Something is off and no one knows what is up behind closed doors.

[CoachD]

Defense is an effort thing. They can up their efforts if they want to but with the mins they are on, I can see why there is a lack of efforts. With Harden, I think it’s more than just efforts. He just doesnot care now with the way this team is going.

Remember we were top 5 in defensive ratings before the LA trip. Something suddenly went off after that and everything fell apart. What’s the internal issues Harden keeps referring to?

Anyways, until we get back a full time Kyrie and replace Nash with a competent coach, you can forget about playoff success and get ready for a potential rebuild next season.

Effort is one ingredient of defense.

Also needed is great scouting, preparation, scheme, and communication. Those guys don't talk on the floor when playing D unless they're blaming someone else or putting a hand up to say "my bad"

Exactly what I meant. Something is off and no one knows what is up behind closed doors.

Let me phrase this another way to attempt to de-mystify;

What team can you remember in NBA history that won a title with it's top 3 players (yes I'm including Kyrie) all being mediocre to flat out bad defenders?

I can't think of any example. No matter what the other guys try to do, the high minute guys are giving little to nothing - so the only recipe to win is to ALWAYS outscore. Every night. That's just not sustainable.

[Jay555]

Effort is one ingredient of defense.

Also needed is great scouting, preparation, scheme, and communication. Those guys don't talk on the floor when playing D unless they're blaming someone else or putting a hand up to say "my bad"

Exactly what I meant. Something is off and no one knows what is up behind closed doors.

Let me phrase this another way to attempt to de-mystify;

What team can you remember in NBA history that won a title with it's top 3 players (yes I'm including Kyrie) all being mediocre to flat out bad defenders?

I can't think of any example. No matter what the other guys try to do, the high minute guys are giving little to nothing - so the only recipe to win is to ALWAYS outscore. Every night. That's just not sustainable.

mediocre to flat out bad defenders?

Do you even watch anything?

KD - Would be above average defender if he tries.
Kyrie - Same as above
Harden - Elite post defender but horrible against quick guards. Hiding Harden vs quick guards is key to our defensive strategy

so the only recipe to win is to ALWAYS outscore. Every night. That's just not sustainable

I beg to differ. Last year shows always outscoring your opponants worked if not for injuries. Can you confidently say the Bucks would beat us with all of the big 3 healthy last year? No way! Of course, surrounding them with shooters is also part of the formula.

[GTR11]

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The defense has been abysmal. I am not sure how anyone can argue otherwise. We are giving up second chance buckets and the perimeter defense is non existent.

Not going to through populistic slogans here but the issue are glaring. Right now it's up to Marks to step in and provide some stability. This entire ship sinking faster than titanic, is it to late to right the ship, no. Thing is it has to start with commander and chief who create this.

First and most important thing is Kyrie.

Two, we need legit coach.

This is all in Marks hand to handle. It's starts with him.

[Jay555]

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The defense has been abysmal. I am not sure how anyone can argue otherwise. We are giving up second chance buckets and the perimeter defense is non existent.

Not going to through populistic slogans here but the issue are glaring. Right now it's up to Marks to step in and provide some stability. This entire ship sinking faster than titanic, is it to late to right the ship, no. Thing is it has to start with commander and chief who create this.

First and most important thing is Kyrie.

Two, we need legit coach.

This is all in Marks hand to handle. It's starts with him.

True. If we as fans can see this, Marks can see it too. It’s up to him to fix it.

[Lamak]

Durant Mills Harden and Kyrie have all played great they just need to play together and have some type of offensive system most of this is on Nash at this point

[Hello Brooklyn]

Effort is one ingredient of defense.

Also needed is great scouting, preparation, scheme, and communication. Those guys don't talk on the floor when playing D unless they're blaming someone else or putting a hand up to say "my bad"

Exactly what I meant. Something is off and no one knows what is up behind closed doors.

Let me phrase this another way to attempt to de-mystify;

What team can you remember in NBA history that won a title with it's top 3 players (yes I'm including Kyrie) all being mediocre to flat out bad defenders?

I can't think of any example. No matter what the other guys try to do, the high minute guys are giving little to nothing - so the only recipe to win is to ALWAYS outscore. Every night. That's just not sustainable.

This is just complete nonsense.

KD is a good defender. And can be great when he isn't asked to carry an entire offense.

Kyrie is average at worst. Can be good.

Harden yes is bad. But can be decent when it matters.

We were a far worse defensive team last year. And looked incredible until the injuries. Were destroying the Bucks in the playoffs in fact.

If you look at our playoff defense it was elite.

[ecuhus1981]

HB is correct. I don't like to trust a team that turns it on for the postseason, but truthfully, advanced metrics prove that we vaulted defensively in the playoffs. We're better in the regular season than last year on D this time around, so I'm not at much worried on that end.

[GTR11]

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[GTR11]

HB is correct. I don't like to trust a team that turns it on for the postseason, but truthfully, advanced metrics prove that we vaulted defensively in the playoffs. We're better in the regular season than last year on D this time around, so I'm not at much worried on that end.

Your first mistake is listening to HB. Two, last year we had offense to rely on to help our D. This time around it's not the case. Our best playmaker said that much. Three Kyrie doing Kyrie things.

[Jay555]

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Can see that happening seeing as Brown doesn’t get playing time any more.

[HardenGoat]

HB is correct. I don't like to trust a team that turns it on for the postseason, but truthfully, advanced metrics prove that we vaulted defensively in the playoffs. We're better in the regular season than last year on D this time around, so I'm not at much worried on that end.

Your first mistake is listening to HB. Two, last year we had offense to rely on to help our D. This time around it's not the case. Our best playmaker said that much. Three Kyrie doing Kyrie things.

Exactly. Missing shots especially 3 pointers at the rate we are often puts the defense out of position. It also messes up any flow to the game. Fix the offense and we have on paper a better defensive group than last year. What we have is a lack of effort and cohesion going on and Iam convinced it has something to do behind the scenes. Kyrie related. Nash is certainly part of the problem but not the only reason.

[ecuhus1981]

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Can see that happening seeing as Brown doesn’t get playing time any more.

Other teams know Bruce has value and this is a leading theory as to why he's inexplicably fallen completely out of the rotation again.

I understand that DeAndre has outplayed him. But he has proven capable of sharing the court with Bembry for short stints, and could provide good PT when Bembry is not in the game. For him to be behind DDJ, Cam and Kessler means that we're favoring under his under club control. We probably cannot afford to keep him beyond this season, so it's worthwhile to trade him now if we get something cheap and useful in return.