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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#141 » by CobraCommander » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:27 pm

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Yep. I think his biggest issue is falling in love with jumpers.


How many of these accursed jumpers have been clutch? Kuz ain’t perfect but who has made more clutch jumpers this year 6’10” Kuz or 6’2” Beal? I’ll hang up and listen


If they're catch and shoot jumpers in the 4th quarter its fine.

If its him putting the rock on the floor, dancing, then takes jump shots... he is a terrible player.

I just know that man has been delivering in the clutch.

Game winners against the Pistons and Cavs plus should have had one against the Bulls. That’s a lot on the resume in sub 40 games
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#142 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:30 pm

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FAH1223 wrote:When Kuz plays like he’s 6’10” good things happen.

When he tries to be a guard, it’s a disaster.

Him pushing the ball off rebounds is great. I wish he was a better passer but he’s clearly trying to learn the no looks and fancy dishes.


Yep. I think his biggest issue is falling in love with jumpers.


How many of these accursed jumpers have been clutch? Kuz ain’t perfect but who has made more clutch jumpers this year 6’10” Kuz or 6’2” Beal? I’ll hang up and listen

On the season, Kuzma remains an inefficient player. His TS% is .536, which over 2% below the team average of .560. That's pretty bad for a power forward. His ORtg, which combines shooting efficiency and turnover efficiency, is the worst on the team except for Neto. His clutch numbers are great, no doubt, but clutch shooting typically regresses to mean.

It's not all bad. He is undoubtedly a very good rebounder, and his defense looks pretty solid to me. But you asked why one should be worried about him falling in love with jumpers. This is why.

I will say, his lousy season average is largely attributable to a rough start when he got a little shot happy in an attempt to "lead the team". If you ignore his first 8 games, his TS% is a bit more respectable at .555. That's not exactly great, but not really deleterious either.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#143 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:34 pm

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How many of these accursed jumpers have been clutch? Kuz ain’t perfect but who has made more clutch jumpers this year 6’10” Kuz or 6’2” Beal? I’ll hang up and listen


If they're catch and shoot jumpers in the 4th quarter its fine.

If its him putting the rock on the floor, dancing, then takes jump shots... he is a terrible player.

I just know that man has been delivering in the clutch.

Game winners against the Pistons and Cavs plus should have had one against the Bulls. That’s a lot on the resume in sub 40 games


Sure a lot of clutch jumpers, and I don’t mind him taking jumpers within the offense if it’s the right play, but he’s had a lot of games we’re floats around the perimeter and chucks up contested jumpers. Now he’s been better in the recent hot stretch of mixing it up more which I think is partially to do with why he’s playing better - you’re much harder to guard when you are less predictable. Also, love his clutch moments, but as others have pointed out, you can’t expect that to last forever. I rather him be concerned about doing consistently reproducible things on the court than late game heroics. The added benefit is if he does more of the former we may not need more of the latter.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#144 » by DCZards » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:31 pm

It's certainly fair to judge Kuz based on what he has done since the start of the season. But he's not only been more efficient in the last month or so he's also playing differently. He's taking fewer ill-advised jumpers and, instead, is attacking the basket off the dribble and getting easy shots at the rim. Let hope that continues.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#145 » by CobraCommander » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:51 pm

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Yep. I think his biggest issue is falling in love with jumpers.


How many of these accursed jumpers have been clutch? Kuz ain’t perfect but who has made more clutch jumpers this year 6’10” Kuz or 6’2” Beal? I’ll hang up and listen

On the season, Kuzma remains an inefficient player. His TS% is .536, which over 2% below the team average of .560. That's pretty bad for a power forward. His ORtg, which combines shooting efficiency and turnover efficiency, is the worst on the team except for Neto. His clutch numbers are great, no doubt, but clutch shooting typically regresses to mean.

It's not all bad. He is undoubtedly a very good rebounder, and his defense looks pretty solid to me. But you asked why one should be worried about him falling in love with jumpers. This is why.

I will say, his lousy season average is largely attributable to a rough start when he got a little shot happy in an attempt to "lead the team". If you ignore his first 8 games, his TS% is a bit more respectable at .555. That's not exactly great, but not really deleterious either.

Nate33...I appreciate your measured and thoughtful responses.

I think the things you pointed out are why he isn’t in LA anymore. Basic advanced analysis shows him to be a inefficient player.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#146 » by CobraCommander » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:55 pm

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If they're catch and shoot jumpers in the 4th quarter its fine.

If its him putting the rock on the floor, dancing, then takes jump shots... he is a terrible player.

I just know that man has been delivering in the clutch.

Game winners against the Pistons and Cavs plus should have had one against the Bulls. That’s a lot on the resume in sub 40 games


Sure a lot of clutch jumpers, and I don’t mind him taking jumpers within the offense if it’s the right play, but he’s had a lot of games we’re floats around the perimeter and chucks up contested jumpers. Now he’s been better in the recent hot stretch of mixing it up more which I think is partially to do with why he’s playing better - you’re much harder to guard when you are less predictable. Also, love his clutch moments, but as others have pointed out, you can’t expect that to last forever. I rather him be concerned about doing consistently reproducible things on the court than late game heroics. The added benefit if he does more of the former we may not need more of the latter.

Agreed on all points-

I’m just highlighting that Kuz has been big when it mattered when others have been less so down the stretch.

It may be because he has a title that these “important” moments are just moments to him. but down the stretch he wants the shot and based on his results...he is the guy I want taking the last shot on the wiz...

Who do you want taking the shot that matters on the wiz?
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#147 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:01 pm

His biggest issue is that he has no feel for the game on defense and plays like the 2nd coming of Michael Beasley on offense. We’re talking about a guy that averages 16 points on 14 shots and is dead last on the wizards in on/off differential. That’s no fluke either, he’s been a boat anchor for 5 full seasons. He doesn’t help his team. He has no concept of team defense, offers absolutely no rim protection. His jumpshot looks good but it doesn’t go in very often. The guy is a career 54% TS as a power forward. That is horrendous. A couple flashy box scores mean absolutely nothing.

He’s made some big shots late in games, but if you had even an average PF that could replace atleast some of those 40 minutes Kuzma seems to play every night, the game probably wouldn’t even be close.

Kuzma is a massive net negative player on a terrible contract, but Unseld Jr actually thinks he’s our 2nd best player or something.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#148 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:56 am

8 straight games over 20 points. His rebounds were down, but even with that, he's got 10 plus rebounds in 7 of his last 10 games. Had a huge block down the stretch. Enjoy the streak - maybe it'll continue; maybe it won't.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#149 » by DCZards » Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:45 am

Kuz is playing with a lot of confidence…and it shows in the numbers he’s putting up and the way he’s expanded his offensive game.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#150 » by doclinkin » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:59 pm

NatP4 wrote:he’s been a boat anchor for 5 full seasons.


Can we retire this phrase. It's tedious how many times it has been repeated. And it doesn't apply in this case. Defensively we'd be sunk if we didn't have a player rebounding as Kuzma does. He's among the league leaders in clutch scoring (as are a handful of other Wizards this year, we have played well in last second desperation moments). Recently though Kuzma he has been attacking the basket more frequently, where his scoring rate above 80% this year (on shots 0-3 feet from the basket).

The problem with Kuzma in the past has been that he plays as though he thinks he is better than he is. Shot selection is part of it. This year he shoots about half of his shots from outside where yeah he is subpar EXCEPT in late game situations, and the other half inside 10 feet where is doing quite well. When it comes to interior scoring Kuzma is one of our few players who is not pass dependent. Kuz, Brad, Dinwiddie, these are the players who can attack from the outside when everyone else is tightly guarded.

At $13 million flat, guaranteed through next year, his contract is a decent value, and is a nice sized asset for trades if it seems we are going that direction. Front offices will take a guy with multiple 30pt games a year, a 40-piece and a 20/20 in his resume, especially considering he is regularly posts a double double. And so far has proven pretty durable (knock wood). You curse him for playing 40 mins a game, but he has played every game, all those minutes.

Yeah but boat anchor boat anchor boat anchor! Depends on the measure you use. Basketball ref's DRtg has him on our top 10 best in points allowed per 100, only 1 pt behind Deni. He does not in fact have the team worst +/- this year. Whatever our problems Kuzma is not the biggest of them. Okay outside shooting is the biggest of our problems and yeah aside from the 4th quarter he is part of that problem. The more he slashes and exploits his mismatches as an outside Big, the better his stats will look. Some of that is coaching. Is Kuz the star he sometimes plays like he thinks he is? Uh, sometimes. He is streaky. That has been his operant mode since he joined the league, he is upsy downsy and inconsistent. Still, 8 games in a row he has contributed to keeping the games close or winning late. So maybe we take that streak and ride it, maybe he has turned a corner. Maybe not. But for every time he hits a clutch shot late, I say you hold off on one more mention of your pet phrase. Trez early in the year and Kuz late have been a couple of the few things that get the home crowd riled up and cheering. No point kicking a man while he is playing well. Let him have his accolades while he is doing well.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#151 » by GoneShammGone » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:37 pm

Kuzma is a polarizing player. He's one of those players who reflects what the observer wants to see in him. He's got such great physical talents and size plus length. Plus, he just looks so smooth when he's making shots, the game seems almost easy for him. Optimistic fans look at him on his best nights and naturally think about: "Wow! What if he could play like this all the time!" But of course, he doesn't play like that all the time. He throws in plenty of games where he takes way too many bad shots and makes almost none of them. Pessimistic fans look at those games and naturally think: "Yeah, this is the real Kuz!"

The truth is somewhat in between. I actually tend to agree with Nat on most of his criticisms of Kuz, but Nat goes too far with it. Kuz is definitely not a "boat-anchor", he's just overall a little below average. But honestly, 13 million a year gets you what? In this day and age, that kind of contract for a somewhat mediocre player who plays hard and remains healthy is not a contract that will kill you.

But then again, look at his January numbers so far:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01/splits/2022

27ppg/12rpg on 62.1% TS in six games. I mean, holy crap! What if he could play like this all the time???? :lol:
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#152 » by TGW » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:40 pm

With all the limitations in Kuzma's game, he's still better than Rui. If Rui was putting up Kuzma type production, the same people slamming Kuzma would be praising Rui. Either way, it's a position of weakness on the team and it's begging for an upgrade.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#153 » by tontoz » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:18 pm

Taking another look at part of docs post

Recently though Kuzma he has been attacking the basket more frequently, where his scoring rate above 80% this year (on shots 0-3 feet from the basket).


That is an unusually high finishing rate, roughly the same as Giannis.

Kuz is shooting 48% from 3-10 feet which is also high. For comparison Durant is at 51% in that range.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#154 » by NatP4 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:24 pm

Kuzma is 2nd to last in on/off differential just above Gafford at -6.4.

In 2020-2021 he was dead last on the Lakers at -7.5.

In 2019-2020 he was 3rd to last just above Rondo and KCP.

In 2018-2019 he was more middle of the pack above Javelle Mcgee and Lance Stephenson, which is super impressive.

In 2017-2018 he was 2nd to last just above Brandon Ingram at -2.5.


When I call him a “boat anchor” it’s because he’s consistently one of the worst players on his team for 5 consecutive seasons. His team is ALWAYS better with him off the court than on it, a handful of empty stat performances does not change that.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#155 » by NatP4 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:30 pm

TGW wrote:With all the limitations in Kuzma's game, he's still better than Rui. If Rui was putting up Kuzma type production, the same people slamming Kuzma would be praising Rui. Either way, it's a position of weakness on the team and it's begging for an upgrade.


This is not true. The same people that praise Kuzma would also be praising Rui. Meanwhile, the wizards would still be losing games.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#156 » by FAH1223 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:56 am

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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#157 » by DCZards » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:02 am

NatP4 wrote:Kuzma is 2nd to last in on/off differential just above Gafford at -6.4.

In 2020-2021 he was dead last on the Lakers at -7.5.

In 2019-2020 he was 3rd to last just above Rondo and KCP.

In 2018-2019 he was more middle of the pack above Javelle Mcgee and Lance Stephenson, which is super impressive.

In 2017-2018 he was 2nd to last just above Brandon Ingram at -2.5.


When I call him a “boat anchor” it’s because he’s consistently one of the worst players on his team for 5 consecutive seasons. His team is ALWAYS better with him off the court than on it, a handful of empty stat performances does not change that.

That Laker stuff is ancient history as far as I'm concerned.

What about now? What about with the Zards? What about the last few weeks?

What's wrong with admitting that Kuz has been ballin' his butt off lately? The numbers—and the clutch shots—don't lie.
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Post#158 » by keynote » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:20 am

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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#160 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:49 pm

He'll make it 10 straight real good games tonight. But then, the truth will be in the pudding, because the next 11 games after tonight are against quality teams. It's how he does in those games that will tell if he's really the same old Kuz.
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