When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[bigdogdylan5]

I think the frustration about lack of updates might be misplaced. Do I wish they have given more details yes but this is someone medical issue so…. Regardless Weltman has come out and said his rehab is now more than his knee. I see this as the opposite of Zion he is too skinny and if you throw him out there he better be 100%. Isaac is so long and he still looks pretty skinny. I bet the medical team wants him to put muscle back on probably in the core and lower body before they send him back out there. I don’t think that is unreasonable

[MAGICian619]

The reality is, young(ish) liberals tend to be highly intolerant of conservative views. This isn't just me trying to dunk on liberals, it's objective truth that's plain to see for anyone that spends time on the internet.

Are you really implying that this is not also the case in the opposite direction? Especially religious conservatives.

Also, what qualifies as a conservative view? Is "I don't want to do anything to mitigate the spread of a deadly virus in a pandemic" a conservative view now?

I have no problem with conservative views as long as those views are actually policy related like taxes or whatever and not along the lines of gays are bad, immigrants are dirty criminals etc.

Lol wow way to prove his point. You really think half the country are conservatives because they think gays are bad or immigrants are dirty criminals? This is part of the intolerance and lack of truth he was talking about.

[RookieStar]

*sigh*

Some Magic fans really want to drag down JI instead of supporting him just because of his political/religious views differ from theirs?

Well I don't have a dog in that fight but as Magic fan I still support and can't wait to see him back. I already know we are blatantly tanking ( not even stealth ) so I expect JI to be back when the season is almost over like 15 games left where we lock uo a top 5 pick already.

[The Real Dalic]

That is now the second time a Leftist has implied Conservatives are racist on the same day.

[FFBlitzace]

The reality is, young(ish) liberals tend to be highly intolerant of conservative views. This isn't just me trying to dunk on liberals, it's objective truth that's plain to see for anyone that spends time on the internet.

Are you really implying that this is not also the case in the opposite direction? Especially religious conservatives.

Also, what qualifies as a conservative view? Is "I don't want to do anything to mitigate the spread of a deadly virus in a pandemic" a conservative view now?

I have no problem with conservative views as long as those views are actually policy related like taxes or whatever and not along the lines of gays are bad, immigrants are dirty criminals etc.

Of course it's the case in the opposite direction, but not nearly as extreme. On any major social media platform, there is a very clear dominant atmosphere of "conservative bad." Social media does not necessarily mirror real life outside of your house, of course. We go out every day and interact with people from different walks of life and different backgrounds and viewpoints, and realistically only a very small fraction of those interactions play out in a negative way. We don't start talking to the cashier at Walmart about whether or not Joe Manchin is the devil for not wanting to vote party line on spending money, and then getting into a profanity-laced shouting match with them if they disagree. So in that regard, the internet is a very exaggerated place.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

EDIT: Not worth the argument.

Hope he heals well and get to continue his development.

[MagicStarwipe]

The reality is, young(ish) liberals tend to be highly intolerant of conservative views. This isn't just me trying to dunk on liberals, it's objective truth that's plain to see for anyone that spends time on the internet.

Are you really implying that this is not also the case in the opposite direction? Especially religious conservatives.

Also, what qualifies as a conservative view? Is "I don't want to do anything to mitigate the spread of a deadly virus in a pandemic" a conservative view now?

I have no problem with conservative views as long as those views are actually policy related like taxes or whatever and not along the lines of gays are bad, immigrants are dirty criminals etc.

Lol wow way to prove his point. You really think half the country are conservatives because they think gays are bad or immigrants are dirty criminals? This is part of the intolerance and lack of truth he was talking about.

The funny thing here is I'm saying that those views are NOT conservative views. They are simply bigoted views.

[MagicStarwipe]

The reality is, young(ish) liberals tend to be highly intolerant of conservative views. This isn't just me trying to dunk on liberals, it's objective truth that's plain to see for anyone that spends time on the internet.

Are you really implying that this is not also the case in the opposite direction? Especially religious conservatives.

Also, what qualifies as a conservative view? Is "I don't want to do anything to mitigate the spread of a deadly virus in a pandemic" a conservative view now?

I have no problem with conservative views as long as those views are actually policy related like taxes or whatever and not along the lines of gays are bad, immigrants are dirty criminals etc.

Of course it's the case in the opposite direction, but not nearly as extreme. On any major social media platform, there is a very clear dominant atmosphere of "conservative bad." Social media does not necessarily mirror real life outside of your house, of course. We go out every day and interact with people from different walks of life and different backgrounds and viewpoints, and realistically only a very small fraction of those interactions play out in a negative way. We don't start talking to the cashier at Walmart about whether or not Joe Manchin is the devil for not wanting to vote party line on spending money, and then getting into a profanity-laced shouting match with them if they disagree. So in that regard, the internet is a very exaggerated place.

I mean, it depends what your algorithms show you dude lol. People will have differing views on who hates who the most because everybody is seeing a different feed catered to them.

[MagicStarwipe]

That is now the second time a Leftist has implied Conservatives are racist on the same day.

No, bigotry is not a conservative view. Nowhere did I say it was. I actually said the exact opposite. However, denying that there's a large portion of people who happen to hold those views also consider themselves to be conservative is just denying reality. Just as it would be denying reality to say that somebody who considers themselves a leftist can't be bigoted.

Deal with things I actually say and not things you imagine that I'm implying and we'll have a much easier time.

[swarlesbarkley]

Are you really implying that this is not also the case in the opposite direction? Especially religious conservatives.

Also, what qualifies as a conservative view? Is "I don't want to do anything to mitigate the spread of a deadly virus in a pandemic" a conservative view now?

I have no problem with conservative views as long as those views are actually policy related like taxes or whatever and not along the lines of gays are bad, immigrants are dirty criminals etc.

Lol wow way to prove his point. You really think half the country are conservatives because they think gays are bad or immigrants are dirty criminals? This is part of the intolerance and lack of truth he was talking about.

The funny thing here is I'm saying that those views are NOT conservative views. They are simply bigoted views.

That was a pretty hilarious self own.

[Xatticus]

That is now the second time a Leftist has implied Conservatives are racist on the same day.

No. It isn't. MOD EDIT: Please refrain from insulting other posters. - Knightro

[thelead]

That is now the second time a Leftist has implied Conservatives are racist on the same day.

No. It isn't.

I wish I could tell my students that back in my teaching days

[The Real Dalic]

People love to attack personally around here. The quality of this place sure has gone down.

Also, I read just fine. It's easy to read what people mean in politics. I've dealt with these types of conversations all the time.

[thelead]

People love to attack personally around here. The quality of this place sure has gone down.

Also, I read just fine. It's easy to read what people mean in politics. I've dealt with these types of conversations all the time.

There's no hard feeling between any of us (at least I don't have any). Don't fall for this 'they disagree with me so they're attacking me' trap that the drama queens of this world (including the media) wants everyone to fall for.

[The Real Dalic]

People love to attack personally around here. The quality of this place sure has gone down.

Also, I read just fine. It's easy to read what people mean in politics. I've dealt with these types of conversations all the time.

There's no hard feeling between any of us (at least I don't have any). Don't fall for this 'they disagree with me so they're attacking me' trap that the drama queens of this world (including the media) wants everyone to fall for.

Not between you and me. That's for sure. I respect you and I'm pretty sure you respect me. I'm sure not everyone does though.

[tooler]

Of course it's the case in the opposite direction, but not nearly as extreme. On any major social media platform, there is a very clear dominant atmosphere of "conservative bad." Social media does not necessarily mirror real life outside of your house, of course. We go out every day and interact with people from different walks of life and different backgrounds and viewpoints, and realistically only a very small fraction of those interactions play out in a negative way. We don't start talking to the cashier at Walmart about whether or not Joe Manchin is the devil for not wanting to vote party line on spending money, and then getting into a profanity-laced shouting match with them if they disagree. So in that regard, the internet is a very exaggerated place.

This is way off-topic, but your observations are correct for the wrong reasons. It's not that liberals are more intolerant, it's just that liberalism is the dominant ideology in most of the public sphere, including the Internet, traditional media, social media, schools, etc. Humans are social creatures, so they will preen and poke at behavior outside of the norm to attempt to socialize the outsider into the group. JI is way outside the social order of things in the NBA sphere, so people are going to try to nip him into compliance.

The opposite was true when and where conservatism was the dominant ideology. In some circles it still is, of course.

The funny thing is that social order (arguably a conservative ideal, heh) is relatively peaceful, so it's often easier to simply leave it be. It's certainly quieter at least! This ridiculous thread is a good example why. Too bad we're not on Discourse so I could mute it.

This is a topic I think about a lot as I navigate the noisy Internet. I thought I'd toss that out there in case it helps. I've found that understanding how something works makes me less annoyed by it.

[pepe1991]

Soo deep into politics
Back to Isaac and issue here. I struggle to find logic behind people who "Love" Weltman and Hammond, or support them in any way or fashion and in same time are angry at Isaac.

Vast majority of reports about players who are hurt comes from front officies of teams. This is one of reasons why you have president of basketball operations and GM for. To provide key informations to media and adress fans when it's needed.
It's bat**** crazy that guy has no timeline of return after missing 18 months of basketball. It's even more insaine that almost everybody knows he had some sort of stepback in rehab that was never adressed.

What he does in media, and why he ignores basketball talk is confusing, and he also needs to take portion of a blame for whole this mess. But he didn't exstend himself injuried, WeHam did, he is not asked to fill injury report for media, they are. What he is doing with his private life is annoying, even to people who share similar political views to him.
Ofc joining polarizing political people in mass media will create "haters". Personally, i wouldn't do it, i would prefer walking straight line as NBA player to not "lose" my fans for political views, and i would advise other players to do so. But they are grown up adults and they can do whatever they want with their lifes ( and that's why i always hate idea of "years of player development, like those are bunch of 13 years old kids ).

At the end of a day Weltman and Hammond payed this guy to play basketball. Decision to give up contract to player without knowing how he will look after rehab turned into very dumb idea that ages even worst. Goes without saying that they could force him into taking qualifing offer and hit free agency and still could sign him on much lower deal. They didn't. For same reasons they gave Vuc $100M, $84 to Gordon, $80 to Fultz. They don't want to upset players. And sure , that's valid strategy on team with defined role. It's much more dangerous strategy if you look lineup of upcomming Magic free agents in next 3 years.

[Skybox]

People love to attack personally around here. The quality of this place sure has gone down.

Also, I read just fine. It's easy to read what people mean in politics. I've dealt with these types of conversations all the time.

If you’re dealing with it “all the time”, maybe you should examine why. Take the inflammatory stuff somewhere else

[drsd]

*sigh*

Some Magic fans really want to drag down JI instead of supporting him just because of his political/religious views differ from theirs?

Well I don't have a dog in that fight but as Magic fan I still support and can't wait to see him back. I already know we are blatantly tanking ( not even stealth ) so I expect JI to be back when the season is almost over like 15 games left where we lock uo a top 5 pick already.

I could care less if Isaac sands or does not stand. I also don't care what he says about health care. That he is one with Christ: wonderful. I am happy about that. But by not being vaccinated, he is not maximising his health. That is a problem. He is a professional athlete and all his actions should be about getting back to the court. Even the tiniest thing like getting a tiny needle in your arm. Who know if one would get long-covid or not. Why take any chances??? He is taking a risk that makes no sense basketball wise.

Now will management sit him because he might win games and this is a tanking season? Wow, I cannot accept that.

What I think is more probable is that structural defects were found and that there are issues in the knee(s) that are beyond the ACL recovery. That seems far more plausible to me than envisaging "forced losses" from management on the coach.

Also: Isaac suffers from asthma. I wonder if that has held him back in his recovery.

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[bigdogdylan5]

Worst part about all this with Isaac is I get annoying political arguments here now too sigh…