Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[jmr07019]

I would be all over a Smart Collins swap.

Only so many guys who are 6-9, 7' wingspan, 39% from deep, TS% > 60 and aren't a complete liability on defense. Most of them aren't available.

The fact that he's only 24 and a quality rebounder makes it even more appealing. Giving Ime a reason to move away from double big lineups is just gravy.

Schroeder / Pritchard
Brown / Richardson
Tatum
Collins / Grant
Rob / Horford

that's your 9 man rotation. Replace Schroeder with Richardson for closing lineup.

You replace all Smart's FGA's and some of Horford's with Collins FGAs. Huge upgrade. Frees up more minutes for Richardson and Pritchard. We still have plenty of competent perimeter players. I like it.

You're gonna have to add more than Smart to make that deal. Unless Collins is miserable, not sure why Atlanta would move him.

Allegedly Collins is unhappy with his role and Trae being too selfish. Gallo had some things to say too about roles being undefined and last year roles being much more clear. Collins might have the same problem here but winning cures all. There's plenty of shots for him here as well.

I don't mind adding in assets to the deal but Smart is the main piece. I'm thinking one of (BOS 2022 1st / Grant Will) and one of (Nesmith, Romeo, Pritch) in addition to Smart. Which assets ATL gets in addition to Smart comes down to how good a negotiator Brad is.

Hawks apparently need perimeter defense and if anyone can hide Smart's offense it's Trae. Smart is a nice complement to the perimeter players Hawks already have in Trae, Bogdonovich, Heurter, Redish, etc. Hawks have the shooting but no one to D up.

[jayu70]

Atlanta is a team that could do the Simmons/Harris trade.

ATL: Simmons, Harris
PHI: Collins, Gallinari, Bogdanovic

Money works out. Collins is disgruntled, good swap with Simmons. He pairs well with Embiid. Danilo and Bogi offset Harris.

Think that's not bad both ways.

Hawks have no interest in Harris and his bloated contract.

Spears also reported that the Hawks had interest in a trade for Simmons until the 76ers broached the possibility of including Harris.

What's the scoop on the Collins rumors any truth to them? Do you think the team will trade him? Seems like he's been in rumors for well over a year now.

If you were to move Collins any interest in Marcus Smart, Boston's 2022 1st and an additional asset for Collins.

Additional asset could be Pritchad, Nesmith, Langford or our 2024 1st.

You could also swap Boston's 2022 1st for Grant Williams if you want.

With Collins it's not just 'I need more shot's, it's the quality and timing of those shots. Too many guys that should not be shooting are too many shots and he would go for stretches without them looking for him. Given his efficiency and 42% from 3 they should look for him more. Even Gallo has pointed out there is no hierarchy to who is getting the shots. He also wants the team to lock in defensively and give more effort - all our wings, Capela and even Gallo (yes he's bad) have all taken a step back on defense this year. An easy example is Huerter, he had about 50 steals at this point last year, this season he has about 15.

I would not be interested in Smart for Collins. That forces Gallo to start, which he shouldn't or we have to find a replacement for Collins' production. Hawks already have guards making high teens money (Bogi and Huerter) - adding Smart makes it one more while we get smaller in the front. Hawks don't need more small guards as additional assets and I don't think a 2024 1st is appealing.
If the intention is to play Smart next to Trae for his defense, on offense when teams trap Trae as soon as he passes halfcourt, (which they do often) Smart is not a capable enough ball handler to run the offense nor is he much of a shooter to make defenses pay for doubling Trae.
Besides, reading this thread, some of you think that Smart's defense has tailed off and he's just throwing his body around and 'efforting'. He looks good playing defense but not really playing defense.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Hawks have no interest in Harris and his bloated contract.

What's the scoop on the Collins rumors any truth to them? Do you think the team will trade him? Seems like he's been in rumors for well over a year now.

If you were to move Collins any interest in Marcus Smart, Boston's 2022 1st and an additional asset for Collins.

Additional asset could be Pritchad, Nesmith, Langford or our 2024 1st.

You could also swap Boston's 2022 1st for Grant Williams if you want.

With Collins it's not just 'I need more shot's, it's the quality and timing of those shots. Too many guys that should not be shooting are too many shots and he would go for stretches without them looking for him. Given his efficiency and 42% from 3 they should look for him more. Even Gallo has pointed out there is no hierarchy to who is getting the shots. He also wants the team to lock in defensively and give more effort - all our wings, Capela and even Gallo (yes he's bad) have all taken a step back on defense this year. An easy example is Huerter, he had about 50 steals at this point last year, this season he has about 15.

I would not be interested in Smart for Collins. That forces Gallo to start, which he shouldn't or we have to find a replacement for Collins' production. Hawks already have guards making high teens money (Bogi and Huerter) - adding Smart makes it one more while we get smaller in the front. Hawks don't need more small guards as additional assets and I don't think a 2024 1st is appealing.
If the intention is to play Smart next to Trae for his defense, on offense when teams trap Trae as soon as he passes halfcourt, (which they do often) Smart is not a capable enough ball handler to run the offense nor is he much of a shooter to make defenses pay for doubling Trae.
Besides, reading this thread, some of you think that Smart's defense has tailed off and he's just throwing his body around and 'efforting'. He looks good playing defense but not really playing defense.

What is your ideal trade for Collins? You can't be content with a 17-22 team, which sucks on defense, but is 2nd in offense.

[Shak_Celts]

Hawks have no interest in Harris and his bloated contract.

What's the scoop on the Collins rumors any truth to them? Do you think the team will trade him? Seems like he's been in rumors for well over a year now.

If you were to move Collins any interest in Marcus Smart, Boston's 2022 1st and an additional asset for Collins.

Additional asset could be Pritchad, Nesmith, Langford or our 2024 1st.

You could also swap Boston's 2022 1st for Grant Williams if you want.

With Collins it's not just 'I need more shot's, it's the quality and timing of those shots. Too many guys that should not be shooting are too many shots and he would go for stretches without them looking for him. Given his efficiency and 42% from 3 they should look for him more. Even Gallo has pointed out there is no hierarchy to who is getting the shots. He also wants the team to lock in defensively and give more effort - all our wings, Capela and even Gallo (yes he's bad) have all taken a step back on defense this year. An easy example is Huerter, he had about 50 steals at this point last year, this season he has about 15.

I would not be interested in Smart for Collins. That forces Gallo to start, which he shouldn't or we have to find a replacement for Collins' production. Hawks already have guards making high teens money (Bogi and Huerter) - adding Smart makes it one more while we get smaller in the front. Hawks don't need more small guards as additional assets and I don't think a 2024 1st is appealing.
If the intention is to play Smart next to Trae for his defense, on offense when teams trap Trae as soon as he passes halfcourt, (which they do often) Smart is not a capable enough ball handler to run the offense nor is he much of a shooter to make defenses pay for doubling Trae.
Besides, reading this thread, some of you think that Smart's defense has tailed off and he's just throwing his body around and 'efforting'. He looks good playing defense but not really playing defense.

I don't want to trade him anyway, but it is laughable to say that Smart isn't a capable enough ballhandler to run the offense in situations where they force it out of Trae's hands! That's where I would say smart could be at his best, where he isn't always asked to do it, but he can give you high-level relief-valve as your 2G in those instances.

On defense, IMO, he has gotten worse on defense the more he has to provide on offense. I have talked about this many times over the years about more than just Smart. There are extremely few players who both defend and offend consistently at a high level. Seeing as we're talking about him being on the Hawks, his offensive contribution could go back down and he could focus on defense. Smart isn't tall so people will say he's part of a small backcourt, when in reality he is a better defender than most everyone in the league and it doesn't matter how far up he has to defend. You can't get him in a bad matchup based on his size, he can shut down 1-5 at his best!

[Jaqua92]

I would be all over a Smart Collins swap.

Only so many guys who are 6-9, 7' wingspan, 39% from deep, TS% > 60 and aren't a complete liability on defense. Most of them aren't available.

The fact that he's only 24 and a quality rebounder makes it even more appealing. Giving Ime a reason to move away from double big lineups is just gravy.

Schroeder / Pritchard
Brown / Richardson
Tatum
Collins / Grant
Rob / Horford

that's your 9 man rotation. Replace Schroeder with Richardson for closing lineup.

You replace all Smart's FGA's and some of Horford's with Collins FGAs. Huge upgrade. Frees up more minutes for Richardson and Pritchard. We still have plenty of competent perimeter players. I like it.

You're gonna have to add more than Smart to make that deal. Unless Collins is miserable, not sure why Atlanta would move him.

Allegedly Collins is unhappy with his role and Trae being too selfish. Gallo had some things to say too about roles being undefined and last year roles being much more clear. Collins might have the same problem here but winning cures all. There's plenty of shots for him here as well.

I don't mind adding in assets to the deal but Smart is the main piece. I'm thinking one of (BOS 2022 1st / Grant Will) and one of (Nesmith, Romeo, Pritch) in addition to Smart. Which assets ATL gets in addition to Smart comes down to how good a negotiator Brad is.

Hawks apparently need perimeter defense and if anyone can hide Smart's offense it's Trae. Smart is a nice complement to the perimeter players Hawks already have in Trae, Bogdonovich, Heurter, Redish, etc. Hawks have the shooting but no one to D up.

I also think being part of a big 3, rather than a "star's" #2 is more enticing.

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[Jaqua92]

What's the scoop on the Collins rumors any truth to them? Do you think the team will trade him? Seems like he's been in rumors for well over a year now.

If you were to move Collins any interest in Marcus Smart, Boston's 2022 1st and an additional asset for Collins.

Additional asset could be Pritchad, Nesmith, Langford or our 2024 1st.

You could also swap Boston's 2022 1st for Grant Williams if you want.

With Collins it's not just 'I need more shot's, it's the quality and timing of those shots. Too many guys that should not be shooting are too many shots and he would go for stretches without them looking for him. Given his efficiency and 42% from 3 they should look for him more. Even Gallo has pointed out there is no hierarchy to who is getting the shots. He also wants the team to lock in defensively and give more effort - all our wings, Capela and even Gallo (yes he's bad) have all taken a step back on defense this year. An easy example is Huerter, he had about 50 steals at this point last year, this season he has about 15.

I would not be interested in Smart for Collins. That forces Gallo to start, which he shouldn't or we have to find a replacement for Collins' production. Hawks already have guards making high teens money (Bogi and Huerter) - adding Smart makes it one more while we get smaller in the front. Hawks don't need more small guards as additional assets and I don't think a 2024 1st is appealing.
If the intention is to play Smart next to Trae for his defense, on offense when teams trap Trae as soon as he passes halfcourt, (which they do often) Smart is not a capable enough ball handler to run the offense nor is he much of a shooter to make defenses pay for doubling Trae.
Besides, reading this thread, some of you think that Smart's defense has tailed off and he's just throwing his body around and 'efforting'. He looks good playing defense but not really playing defense.

What is your ideal trade for Collins? You can't be content with a 17-22 team, which sucks on defense, but is 2nd in offense.

The point is that Collins is probably not acquirable with a trade centered around Smart.

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[Jaqua92]

What's the scoop on the Collins rumors any truth to them? Do you think the team will trade him? Seems like he's been in rumors for well over a year now.

If you were to move Collins any interest in Marcus Smart, Boston's 2022 1st and an additional asset for Collins.

Additional asset could be Pritchad, Nesmith, Langford or our 2024 1st.

You could also swap Boston's 2022 1st for Grant Williams if you want.

With Collins it's not just 'I need more shot's, it's the quality and timing of those shots. Too many guys that should not be shooting are too many shots and he would go for stretches without them looking for him. Given his efficiency and 42% from 3 they should look for him more. Even Gallo has pointed out there is no hierarchy to who is getting the shots. He also wants the team to lock in defensively and give more effort - all our wings, Capela and even Gallo (yes he's bad) have all taken a step back on defense this year. An easy example is Huerter, he had about 50 steals at this point last year, this season he has about 15.

I would not be interested in Smart for Collins. That forces Gallo to start, which he shouldn't or we have to find a replacement for Collins' production. Hawks already have guards making high teens money (Bogi and Huerter) - adding Smart makes it one more while we get smaller in the front. Hawks don't need more small guards as additional assets and I don't think a 2024 1st is appealing.
If the intention is to play Smart next to Trae for his defense, on offense when teams trap Trae as soon as he passes halfcourt, (which they do often) Smart is not a capable enough ball handler to run the offense nor is he much of a shooter to make defenses pay for doubling Trae.
Besides, reading this thread, some of you think that Smart's defense has tailed off and he's just throwing his body around and 'efforting'. He looks good playing defense but not really playing defense.

I don't want to trade him anyway, but it is laughable to say that Smart isn't a capable enough ballhandler to run the offense in situations where they force it out of Trae's hands! That's where I would say smart could be at his best, where he isn't always asked to do it, but he can give you high-level relief-valve as your 2G in those instances.

On defense, IMO, he has gotten worse on defense the more he has to provide on offense. I have talked about this many times over the years about more than just Smart. There are extremely few players who both defend and offend consistently at a high level. Seeing as we're talking about him being on the Hawks, his offensive contribution could go back down and he could focus on defense. Smart isn't tall so people will say he's part of a small backcourt, when in reality he is a better defender than most everyone in the league and it doesn't matter how far up he has to defend. You can't get him in a bad matchup based on his size, he can shut down 1-5 at his best!

Still blinded by loyalty, even after these few years XD

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Would we want Tobias Harris? Like, facilitating a multi-team Simmons trade? It'd take Al/Dennis or Al/Juancho going out to match salary.. his money's not great, but it's a two dimes for a quarter trade..

[Curmudgeon]

How many people actually believe that John Collins is unhappy with his role, Donovan Mitchell wants to play in a bigger market, Tatum has secretly asked for a trade, etc. etc. It's all complete BS, most of which is coming out of Philadelphia.

[jayu70]

What's the scoop on the Collins rumors any truth to them? Do you think the team will trade him? Seems like he's been in rumors for well over a year now.

If you were to move Collins any interest in Marcus Smart, Boston's 2022 1st and an additional asset for Collins.

Additional asset could be Pritchad, Nesmith, Langford or our 2024 1st.

You could also swap Boston's 2022 1st for Grant Williams if you want.

With Collins it's not just 'I need more shot's, it's the quality and timing of those shots. Too many guys that should not be shooting are too many shots and he would go for stretches without them looking for him. Given his efficiency and 42% from 3 they should look for him more. Even Gallo has pointed out there is no hierarchy to who is getting the shots. He also wants the team to lock in defensively and give more effort - all our wings, Capela and even Gallo (yes he's bad) have all taken a step back on defense this year. An easy example is Huerter, he had about 50 steals at this point last year, this season he has about 15.

I would not be interested in Smart for Collins. That forces Gallo to start, which he shouldn't or we have to find a replacement for Collins' production. Hawks already have guards making high teens money (Bogi and Huerter) - adding Smart makes it one more while we get smaller in the front. Hawks don't need more small guards as additional assets and I don't think a 2024 1st is appealing.
If the intention is to play Smart next to Trae for his defense, on offense when teams trap Trae as soon as he passes halfcourt, (which they do often) Smart is not a capable enough ball handler to run the offense nor is he much of a shooter to make defenses pay for doubling Trae.
Besides, reading this thread, some of you think that Smart's defense has tailed off and he's just throwing his body around and 'efforting'. He looks good playing defense but not really playing defense.

What is your ideal trade for Collins? You can't be content with a 17-22 team, which sucks on defense, but is 2nd in offense.

Ideally I don't have an interest in trading Collins to fix the defense, he's not the issue. I'm far from content with 17-22. Hopefully, getting Deandre Hunter back sometime this week after missing 26 games will help shore up the defense.
Hawks just have not had any roster continuity since Dec 19 when Covid hit the team - Trae, Collins, Gallo, Huerter, Lou, TLC, Cooper, Onyeka, Johnson were all in Covid protocols at the same time. Trae and Clint returns then Wright, Bogi and Dieng are out. Cam Reddish was the only player NBA player not in quarantine. Lots of 10Dayers - roster was at 26 at one point. Dieng was the last player to clear protocol today, so hopefully their some continuity over the next few weeks.

[chrisab123]

How many people actually believe that John Collins is unhappy with his role, Donovan Mitchell wants to play in a bigger market, Tatum has secretly asked for a trade, etc. etc. It's all complete BS, most of which is coming out of Philadelphia.

The Mitchell rumor came from NY. Its probably legit. Tatum will probably ask for a trade and Collins has been annoyed for 2 years but money is money.

[Curmudgeon]

Collins just isn't that valuable a piece, and his new deal goes on forever. If I were looking for a cheaper guy to fill roughly the same role, I'd be all over Harrison Barnes, who (for starters) is a better defender than Collins.

As for the Hawks' covid woes, welcome to the club.

[Triple7]

With Collins it's not just 'I need more shot's, it's the quality and timing of those shots. Too many guys that should not be shooting are too many shots and he would go for stretches without them looking for him. Given his efficiency and 42% from 3 they should look for him more. Even Gallo has pointed out there is no hierarchy to who is getting the shots. He also wants the team to lock in defensively and give more effort - all our wings, Capela and even Gallo (yes he's bad) have all taken a step back on defense this year. An easy example is Huerter, he had about 50 steals at this point last year, this season he has about 15.

I would not be interested in Smart for Collins. That forces Gallo to start, which he shouldn't or we have to find a replacement for Collins' production. Hawks already have guards making high teens money (Bogi and Huerter) - adding Smart makes it one more while we get smaller in the front. Hawks don't need more small guards as additional assets and I don't think a 2024 1st is appealing.
If the intention is to play Smart next to Trae for his defense, on offense when teams trap Trae as soon as he passes halfcourt, (which they do often) Smart is not a capable enough ball handler to run the offense nor is he much of a shooter to make defenses pay for doubling Trae.
Besides, reading this thread, some of you think that Smart's defense has tailed off and he's just throwing his body around and 'efforting'. He looks good playing defense but not really playing defense.

What is your ideal trade for Collins? You can't be content with a 17-22 team, which sucks on defense, but is 2nd in offense.

The point is that Collins is probably not acquirable with a trade centered around Smart.

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I agree. The Hawks would laugh at that trade. They will have better offers from other teams. If they lose collins, they would want a big man replacement. They are loaded with wings, and i doubt they would really need Smart and his poor shooting.

[playa-hater]

Every day we get closer to the deadline, the more I think nothing will happen. It's Beal or Bust this summer.

Nobody wants Schroder BTW. except for Ime

[Dogen]

IF collins is unhappy then I would do this 3 team deal.


Lakers in
Horford, Schroder, Nesmith
out
Westbrook and a 1st


Atlanta in
Smart, Jauncho, Lakers 1st, 2 Boston 2nds
out
Collins

Boston in
Westbrook, Collins
out
Schroder, Smart, Juancho, Horford, Nesmith

Obviously need some min contracts to finish year, but....

Westbrook/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Thomas
Tatum/Romeo/Hauser
Collins/GrantW
Timelord/Kanter/Brun

I kinda like this. Not a Westbrook fan, but if he's committed to being a distributor it would be an upgrade to Smart + Schroder.

That's quite a good starting five. Westbrook and Collins have some fire, a nice compliment to the Jays cool.

[bfchs123]

Would we want Tobias Harris? Like, facilitating a multi-team Simmons trade? It'd take Al/Dennis or Al/Juancho going out to match salary.. his money's not great, but it's a two dimes for a quarter trade..

Could we take on Tobias in order to get Simmons?

Celtics:
- Simmons ($36m)
- Tobias ($33m)
Total: $69m

Philly:
- Smart ($14m)
- Horford ($27m)
- Juancho ($7m)
- Schroder ($6m)
- Richardson ($12m)
- [Picks? Nesmith? Langford?]
Total: $66m

Prob not nearly enough value but they'd get a lot of near-term salary that should be fairly moveable

Simmons/Brown/Tatum/Tobias/Williams

[playa-hater]

Would we want Tobias Harris? Like, facilitating a multi-team Simmons trade? It'd take Al/Dennis or Al/Juancho going out to match salary.. his money's not great, but it's a two dimes for a quarter trade..

Could we take on Tobias in order to get Simmons?

Celtics:
- Simmons ($36m)
- Tobias ($33m)
Total: $69m

Philly:
- Smart ($14m)
- Horford ($27m)
- Juancho ($7m)
- Schroder ($6m)
- Richardson ($12m)
- [Picks? Nesmith? Langford?]
Total: $66m

Prob not nearly enough value but they'd get a lot of near-term salary that should be fairly moveable

Simmons/Brown/Tatum/Tobias/Williams

I don't believe Philly makes a move for any trade without an all-star level talent in return. But I also say, "never say never"

[ecuhus1981]

As strange as it may seem for divisional rivals to trade with one another, there is a precedent among all parties. Never before as a 3-way, though!

What are your thoughts on this deal?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7511757

Boston: Al Horford and Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons and Joe Harris (the Celtics get a playmaker and a shooter to support Jayson)

Brooklyn: Joe Harris and Jevon Carter for Al Horford and Danny Green (the Nets get tough veterans who can defend and provide spacing for the Big 3)

Philadelphia: Ben Simmons and Danny Green for Jaylen Brown and Jevon Carter (the Sixers get an All-Star wing to complement Joel, and slide under the luxury tax)

We can quibble about picks to balance value, but what do you think of the framework?

[Curmudgeon]

The question is, how much garbage would the Celtics be willing to take in order to retain Tatum and Brown?

You know, there are previously unknown players breaking out all over the league: Brandon Boston, Devin Vassell, etc.

Alas, none of them are Celtics.

[Fencer reregistered]

From Smitty

Like the Hawks, the Celtics have underachieved this season. There have been a few signs that things are turning around for Boston, but the same problems of the last couple of years exist. They can’t close games and the offense remains inconsistent.

We also don’t have any deadline track record to work with, as this is Brad Stevens first go-around as the decision-maker. Dennis Schroder is known to be on the block, as the one-year marriage in green has been somewhat clunky. Juancho Hernangomez is a valuable piece of pseudo-expiring salary-matching at $7 million. And Boston has TPEs of $17 million, $9.7 million and $5.1 million to work with too.

Expect Stevens to make moves around the edges of the rotation. Any sort of big overhaul will come this summer vs at the deadline.

https://www.spotrac.com/research/nba/eastern-conference-buyers-and-sellers-at-2022-nba-trade-deadline-1365/