Hoopshype.com execs poll: Top under 25 players to build around

Golden Knight · Post #21 » by **Golden Knight** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:44 am

Reeko wrote:
Golden Knight wrote:
Reeko wrote:Scottie not even on the list? Trash list. And no way should Tatum be #2 on that list.

It's a poll of 17 NBA Execs of their top 5.

It's not that shocking that none of those 17 had him in their top 5.

Who are your 5?

1. Malachi Flynn
2. Luka Doncic
3. Lamelo Ball
4. Ja Morant
5. Scottie Barnes

No OG Anunoby?

Post #22 » by **Reeko** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:47 am

Golden Knight wrote:
Reeko wrote:
Golden Knight wrote:It's a poll of 17 NBA Execs of their top 5.

It's not that shocking that none of those 17 had him in their top 5.

Who are your 5?

1. Malachi Flynn
2. Luka Doncic
3. Lamelo Ball
4. Ja Morant
5. Scottie Barnes

No OG Anunoby?

Love OG, but ultimately I don't see him as a guy you build around. He's about as good as it gets in terms of guys who you want around the person being built around.

ForeverTFC · Post #23 » by **ForeverTFC** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:51 am

jfs1000d wrote:
Reeko wrote:Scottie not even on the list? Trash list. And no way should Tatum be #2 on that list.

Why should tatum be No. 2. Dont ya think the executives know more than you?

Exactly. And he's not even 21 yet!

Post #24 » by **Reeko** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:56 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
Reeko wrote:Scottie not even on the list? Trash list. And no way should Tatum be #2 on that list.

Why should tatum be No. 2. Dont ya think the executives know more than you?

Exactly. And he's not even 21 yet!

Sorry, I forgot that he's still 19.

NRSV · Post #25 » by **NRSV** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:14 am

Mobley #6 already and Cuck Barnes nowhere to be found!

everdiso · Post #26 » by **everdiso** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:23 am

Does anyone else look at that list and think....wow, the league is WIDE open going forward?

None of those names seems to strike much fear as some kind of unstoppable opponent, except for Doncic...and doncic is showing some worrying signs himself.

DelAbbot · Post #27 » by **DelAbbot** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:45 am

Reeko wrote:
Golden Knight wrote:
Reeko wrote:Scottie not even on the list? Trash list. And no way should Tatum be #2 on that list.

It's a poll of 17 NBA Execs of their top 5.

It's not that shocking that none of those 17 had him in their top 5.

Who are your 5?

1. Malachi Flynn
2. Luka Doncic
3. Lamelo Ball
4. Ja Morant
5. Scottie Barnes

Trying to pump Flynn trade value?

No NBA GM reading RealGM.

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #28 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:48 am

Tatum is just not that player. It feels like he hasn’t gotten better in the past 3 seasons or something. Can’t take that next step.

Crizzle · Post #29 » by **Crizzle** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:08 am

everdiso wrote:Does anyone else look at that list and think....wow, the league is WIDE open going forward?

None of those names seems to strike much fear as some kind of unstoppable opponent, except for Doncic...and doncic is showing some worrying signs himself.

i look at that list and think " fvkc, the ones who have already proven to be cold blooded killers are nowhere near their primes yet"

JN61 · Post #30 » by **JN61** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:10 am

Tatum over Morant? What kind of site is this?

Surprised KAT isn't on the list. Past 8 year he has been tooted as the best young talent even though he haven't even managed to move pencil off the table.

JN61 · Post #31 » by **JN61** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:12 am

everdiso wrote:Does anyone else look at that list and think....wow, the league is WIDE open going forward?

None of those names seems to strike much fear as some kind of unstoppable opponent, except for Doncic...and doncic is showing some worrying signs himself.

I guess you haven't watched Ja Morant play.

hoosierdaddy34 · Post #32 » by **hoosierdaddy34** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:20 am

Mobley and Ingram too low.

Tatum and SGA too high.

TheLand13 · Post #33 » by **TheLand13** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:22 am

Reeko wrote:Scottie not even on the list? Trash list. And no way should Tatum be #2 on that list.

Scottie doesn’t strike me as a guy that you can build around, at least not yet. At best he’s been a very good supporting piece for a decent Toronto Raptors team. Compare that to Mobley, a guy who is already getting all defense consideration. That’s absurd. When you consider his age, skillset, and the numbers he’s currently putting up… that’s a pretty easy player to build around. Look at how well Cleveland has been playing despite still having some glaring holes in their roster. The comparison just isn’t there. I use Mobley as an example because he’s really the only rookie on this list who should be getting consideration, and if you ask me, he should be higher.

spanishninja · Post #34 » by **spanishninja** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:30 am

everdiso wrote:Does anyone else look at that list and think....wow, the league is WIDE open going forward?

None of those names seems to strike much fear as some kind of unstoppable opponent, except for Doncic...and doncic is showing some worrying signs himself.

part of it is that just because you build a team around one of these guys doesn't mean that's anything close to being enough to be a contender. if you did a second poll of top guys under 25 to be the second star to complement the guy they picked already, a lot of the same guys close to the top would be the most popular choices there too.

the fact that the #1 guy on there could not get past the first round by himself does show that this league is more wide open than in previous eras.

Lalouie · Post #35 » by **Lalouie** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:51 am

the weakness of this poll is who's at the bottom half, so let's just truncate this list at the middle
or did they just run out of players.

note. no allen or garland. i'm not saying the execs are right but this IS about perceived value,,,,for all those who this garland/allen are all that

and there's been more than ample time to see tatum is not a franchise player. he's not THE GUY on a contender

Lalouie · Post #36 » by **Lalouie** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:00 am

everdiso wrote:Does anyone else look at that list and think....wow, the league is WIDE open going forward?

None of those names seems to strike much fear as some kind of unstoppable opponent, except for Doncic...and doncic is showing some worrying signs himself.

parity is at the next stop sign

Post #37 » by **Reeko** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:06 am

TheLand13 wrote:
Reeko wrote:Scottie not even on the list? Trash list. And no way should Tatum be #2 on that list.

Scottie doesn’t strike me as a guy that you can build around, at least not yet. At best he’s been a very good supporting piece for a decent Toronto Raptors team. Compare that to Mobley, a guy who is already getting all defense consideration. That’s absurd. When you consider his age, skillset, and the numbers he’s currently putting up… that’s a pretty easy player to build around. Look at how well Cleveland has been playing despite still having some glaring holes in their roster. The comparison just isn’t there. I use Mobley as an example because he’s really the only rookie on this list who should be getting consideration, and if you ask me, he should be higher.

Their numbers are nearly identical across the board. In his role on defense, Mobley has done exceedingly well but, he also isn't tasked with guarding the best perimeter players on the other team the same way that Barnes has.

You want to make an argument that Mobley's been better as a rookie, it will definitely have merit. But please stop with this nonsense that he's been head and shoulders above Barnes, because he hasn't been.

They're both very good supporting pieces for decent teams. I don't know why you're acting like the Cavs are world beaters, when they're in 6th place in the East. Mobley's not out there, scoring 20 points and grabbing 10 boards a night, he's averaging 15 and 8... the same as Scottie Barnes.

Wagonband · Post #38 » by **Wagonband** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:27 am

Ah these execs have no idea what they are talking about. I mean on RealGM i've read that Luka sucks, and that the Hawks won the trade. I guess he paid off the execs with his new contract

Dutchball97 · Post #39 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:29 am

JN61 wrote:Tatum over Morant? What kind of site is this?

Surprised KAT isn't on the list. Past 8 year he has been tooted as the best young talent even though he haven't even managed to move pencil off the table.

You're surprised a 26 year old isn't on a list of the best under 25 players?

TheLand13 · Post #40 » by **TheLand13** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:28 am

Reeko wrote:Their numbers are nearly identical across the board. In his role on defense, Mobley has done exceedingly well but, he also isn't tasked with guarding the best perimeter players on the other team the same way that Barnes has.

Okay? Call me when we have instances of Barnes shutting down some of the best perimeter players, including one time in the final seconds, like Mobley has and then I'll be impressed.

Reeko wrote:You want to make an argument that Mobley's been better as a rookie, it will definitely have merit. But please stop with this nonsense that he's been head and shoulders above Barnes, because he hasn't been.

Yes, he has. His defensive impact far outweighs Barnes. The fact that their stats are nearly identical across the board with that in mind indicates that Barnes literally has no possible argument over Mobley right now.

Reeko wrote:They're both very good supporting pieces for decent teams. I don't know why you're acting like the Cavs are world beaters, when they're in 6th place in the East. Mobley's not out there, scoring 20 points and grabbing 10 boards a night, he's averaging 15 and 8... the same as Scottie Barnes.

Again, Mobley's defense has been the biggest impact he's had on the team, and right now, he's in all team defense consideration. That is leagues above what Barnes is doing right now. To claim Mobley is a supporting piece for Cleveland is downright laughable. He's literally anchoring their defense, which by the way is third in the league right now.

Lalouie wrote:note. no allen or garland. i'm not saying the execs are right but this IS about perceived value,,,,for all those who this garland/allen are all that

I think the idea is that they're picking the most valuable player from each team. And while Mobley isn't the Cavaliers best player, he is certainly their most valuable one.