When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[basketballRob]

Soo deep into politics
Back to Isaac and issue here. I struggle to find logic behind people who "Love" Weltman and Hammond, or support them in any way or fashion and in same time are angry at Isaac.

Vast majority of reports about players who are hurt comes from front officies of teams. This is one of reasons why you have president of basketball operations and GM for. To provide key informations to media and adress fans when it's needed.
It's bat**** crazy that guy has no timeline of return after missing 18 months of basketball. It's even more insaine that almost everybody knows he had some sort of stepback in rehab that was never adressed.

What he does in media, and why he ignores basketball talk is confusing, and he also needs to take portion of a blame for whole this mess. But he didn't exstend himself injuried, WeHam did, he is not asked to fill injury report for media, they are. What he is doing with his private life is annoying, even to people who share similar political views to him.
Ofc joining polarizing political people in mass media will create "haters". Personally, i wouldn't do it, i would prefer walking straight line as NBA player to not "lose" my fans for political views, and i would advise other players to do so. But they are grown up adults and they can do whatever they want with their lifes ( and that's why i always hate idea of "years of player development, like those are bunch of 13 years old kids ).

At the end of a day Weltman and Hammond payed this guy to play basketball. Decision to give up contract to player without knowing how he will look after rehab turned into very dumb idea that ages even worst. Goes without saying that they could force him into taking qualifing offer and hit free agency and still could sign him on much lower deal. They didn't. For same reasons they gave Vuc $100M, $84 to Gordon, $80 to Fultz. They don't want to upset players. And sure , that's valid strategy on team with defined role. It's much more dangerous strategy if you look lineup of upcomming Magic free agents in next 3 years.

Fultz has a 2 year 35m deal. Only 2m in 2023 is guaranteed. I don't think you value Isaac as much as the rest of the league. His lack of play this year is at least partially because we are tanking.

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[pepe1991]

Soo deep into politics
Back to Isaac and issue here. I struggle to find logic behind people who "Love" Weltman and Hammond, or support them in any way or fashion and in same time are angry at Isaac.

Vast majority of reports about players who are hurt comes from front officies of teams. This is one of reasons why you have president of basketball operations and GM for. To provide key informations to media and adress fans when it's needed.
It's bat**** crazy that guy has no timeline of return after missing 18 months of basketball. It's even more insaine that almost everybody knows he had some sort of stepback in rehab that was never adressed.

What he does in media, and why he ignores basketball talk is confusing, and he also needs to take portion of a blame for whole this mess. But he didn't exstend himself injuried, WeHam did, he is not asked to fill injury report for media, they are. What he is doing with his private life is annoying, even to people who share similar political views to him.
Ofc joining polarizing political people in mass media will create "haters". Personally, i wouldn't do it, i would prefer walking straight line as NBA player to not "lose" my fans for political views, and i would advise other players to do so. But they are grown up adults and they can do whatever they want with their lifes ( and that's why i always hate idea of "years of player development, like those are bunch of 13 years old kids ).

At the end of a day Weltman and Hammond payed this guy to play basketball. Decision to give up contract to player without knowing how he will look after rehab turned into very dumb idea that ages even worst. Goes without saying that they could force him into taking qualifing offer and hit free agency and still could sign him on much lower deal. They didn't. For same reasons they gave Vuc $100M, $84 to Gordon, $80 to Fultz. They don't want to upset players. And sure , that's valid strategy on team with defined role. It's much more dangerous strategy if you look lineup of upcomming Magic free agents in next 3 years.

Fultz has a 2 year 35m deal. Only 2m in 2023 is guaranteed. I don't think you value Isaac as much as the rest of the league. His lack of play this year is at least partially because we are tanking.

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I value what he brings, i don't value player who plays 30 min of basketball in 24 and half months.
Intentionally sitting him would be even dummer than hiding injuries. Guy played 136 games over 5 yeras on very limited offensive role as 4th-5th option. If they ever hoped he will be anything but advanced- Ibaka they should understand he needs to be play and at least try to carry bigger offensive load.
And if indeed they think not playing him "saves " the tanking, they are delusional. Magic have worst points differential in nba, it would be travisty to belive they are 2 role players away from being "good". Without Fultz & Isaac they are 17% win percentage team, that's pace for 14-68 record. In last 6 seasons only 2 teams won less than 15 games. So even with them , Magic would still be in play for worst record. Let's be honest, that's slug race between us and Pistons. 3rd worst record, Houston, won 4 games more. Magic lost 9 of last 10, they are not catching them.

[tiderulz]

Soo deep into politics
Back to Isaac and issue here. I struggle to find logic behind people who "Love" Weltman and Hammond, or support them in any way or fashion and in same time are angry at Isaac.

Vast majority of reports about players who are hurt comes from front officies of teams. This is one of reasons why you have president of basketball operations and GM for. To provide key informations to media and adress fans when it's needed.
It's bat**** crazy that guy has no timeline of return after missing 18 months of basketball. It's even more insaine that almost everybody knows he had some sort of stepback in rehab that was never adressed.

What he does in media, and why he ignores basketball talk is confusing, and he also needs to take portion of a blame for whole this mess. But he didn't exstend himself injuried, WeHam did, he is not asked to fill injury report for media, they are. What he is doing with his private life is annoying, even to people who share similar political views to him.
Ofc joining polarizing political people in mass media will create "haters". Personally, i wouldn't do it, i would prefer walking straight line as NBA player to not "lose" my fans for political views, and i would advise other players to do so. But they are grown up adults and they can do whatever they want with their lifes ( and that's why i always hate idea of "years of player development, like those are bunch of 13 years old kids ).

At the end of a day Weltman and Hammond payed this guy to play basketball. Decision to give up contract to player without knowing how he will look after rehab turned into very dumb idea that ages even worst. Goes without saying that they could force him into taking qualifing offer and hit free agency and still could sign him on much lower deal. They didn't. For same reasons they gave Vuc $100M, $84 to Gordon, $80 to Fultz. They don't want to upset players. And sure , that's valid strategy on team with defined role. It's much more dangerous strategy if you look lineup of upcomming Magic free agents in next 3 years.

Fultz has a 2 year 35m deal. Only 2m in 2023 is guaranteed. I don't think you value Isaac as much as the rest of the league. His lack of play this year is at least partially because we are tanking.

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that may be true. but i think too many people here overvalue Isaac compared to the rest of the league. He is approaching 2 years having not played basketball. And lets be clear here, he wasnt an All-star before this latest injury. He was a defensive role player with subpar offensive.

[jonbob17]

that may be true. but i think too many people here overvalue Isaac compared to the rest of the league. He is approaching 2 years having not played basketball. And lets be clear here, he wasnt an All-star before this latest injury. He was a defensive role player with subpar offensive.

He's the exact kind of player the league values with the exception of availability. Switchable wing, defensive menace, low usage, 55% TS (was moving in the right direction). These are the types of players that put teams over the top. Imagine how good the Bulls are right now with a healthy Isaac. Or the Warriors. Either team would probably be a lock. He's like Mikal Bridges on speed, with a little less efficiency.

Of course health is the issue. Dude is in his 4th season, but he's only played a season and half worth of games. If a second year guy had per-36 averages (2020's) of 15/9/2 with 2 steals and 3 blocks on 55 % TS, on a team full of recent lottery picks, I'd be thinking championships are coming. It's just hard to figure out the future availability.

I am pretty disappointed with the lack of updates. I am not sure how much of it is the FO leaning into this year's draft pick. I do think the needs he game time to develop his game. If they are just holding him out to ensure his health it makes me cringe about his future prospects.

[IllMagic04]

Tanking has nothing to do with it. Do we really think a good/ great defender and a average/ below average offensive player on a minutes restriction is going to lead to wins? Its not.

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[JBSouthpaw]

Tanking has nothing to do with it. Do we really think a good/ great defender and a average/ below average offensive player on a minutes restriction is going to lead to wins? Its not.

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As the 6th option (Vuc,AG, Evan, Ross, Fultz, maybe 5th) in 19-20, he played 34 games, go 28mpg.

PER of 17.31 (only WCJ has a higher one currently)
12pts, 7rebs,
2.3 blks,
1.6 steals
34% from 3
47% overall shooting.

I think we could use him quite a bit.
A front court of
WCJ 6'10
JI 6'12?
Franz would be pretty good. 6'10

[thelead]

Tanking has nothing to do with it. Do we really think a good/ great defender and a average/ below average offensive player on a minutes restriction is going to lead to wins? Its not.

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You’re crazy if you don’t think replacing Gillespie with JI doesn’t lead to a few more wins. Hell, as much as I don’t like Cole starting, he has won a few games off of his hot shooting. If fully healthy, and with a training camp, this team would win at least 3-5 more games thus far. That would knock us out of the top spot that we have right now.

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[IllMagic04]

Tanking has nothing to do with it. Do we really think a good/ great defender and a average/ below average offensive player on a minutes restriction is going to lead to wins? Its not.

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You’re crazy if you don’t think replacing Gillespie with JI doesn’t lead to a few more wins. Hell, as much as I don’t like Cole starting, he has won a few games off of his hot shooting. If fully healthy, and with a training camp, this team would win at least 3-5 more games thus far. That would knock us out of the top spot that we have right now.

If fully healthy and not on minutes restriction maybe a few more. But thats not where we are with JI. Its gonna take time to get him back up to speed. If he came back tonight and played the rest of the season we'd still be in the bottom 3. With the new lotto odds thats all you can ask for.

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[ORLMagicGirl15]

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Glad to see something. While he doesn’t really have a lift when shooting, it’s nice to see that he is landing on the leg.

[OrlChamps2030]

Isaac can believe whatever he wants. But it just feels ...weird... to become an active political pundit/author/writer in the middle of what's supposed to the prime of your professional sports career that you are missing due to serious injury. Even if he was doing long-form interviews on ViceNews about universal basic income, climate change, universal health care.. I would still be confused. Isaac's off-court notoriety has far exceeded his on-court reputation at this point. I'm able to find the FoxNews anti-COVID mandates article he co-authored easier than I can find information regarding his return to basketball https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-mandates-biden-nba-jonathan-issac

Someone else touched on it but maybe some of our blame/frustration is misguided towards Isaac and some of the blame should be redirected towards the front office. The complete silence around Isaac's basketball career has really compounded the problems fan's have with his political career.

Also - the suggestion that we are sitting Isaac to tank just feels irresponsible. First of all.. this team was always going to suck with or without Isaac. Secondly.. the last thing Isaac needs right now is missing more basketball.

[swarlesbarkley]

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Good to see some basketball action but c'mon - out 2 years and the dude still hasn't learned to not land on one leg?

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Posters really think the FO is holding Isaac out because he would hurt the tank? He doesn't look he's in game shape to me.

Pass the copium this way...

[swarlesbarkley]

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Posters really think the FO is holding Isaac out because he would hurt the tank? He doesn't look he's in game shape to me.

Pass the copium this way...

Yeah - just a casual shooting drill but the lack of any lift is a bit concerning.

[basketballRob]

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Posters really think the FO is holding Isaac out because he would hurt the tank? He doesn't look he's in game shape to me.

Pass the copium this way...

Yeah - just a casual shooting drill but the lack of any lift is a bit concerning.

Suggs had a little more lift on the last shot but for the most part they looked the same.

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[tiderulz]

that may be true. but i think too many people here overvalue Isaac compared to the rest of the league. He is approaching 2 years having not played basketball. And lets be clear here, he wasnt an All-star before this latest injury. He was a defensive role player with subpar offensive.

He's the exact kind of player the league values with the exception of availability. Switchable wing, defensive menace, low usage, 55% TS (was moving in the right direction). These are the types of players that put teams over the top. Imagine how good the Bulls are right now with a healthy Isaac. Or the Warriors. Either team would probably be a lock. He's like Mikal Bridges on speed, with a little less efficiency.

Of course health is the issue. Dude is in his 4th season, but he's only played a season and half worth of games. If a second year guy had per-36 averages (last year's) of 15/9/2 with 2 steals and 3 blocks on 55 % TS, on a team full of recent lottery picks, I'd be thinking championships are coming. It's just hard to figure out the future availability.

I am pretty disappointed with the lack of updates. I am not sure how much of it is the FO leaning into this year's draft pick. I do think the needs the game time to develop his game. If they are just holding him out to ensure his health it makes me cringe about his future prospects.

TS 55% ranked around 120th in the league. below average, but not horrible.

[basketballRob]

Glad to see Isaac not wearing a huge brace.

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[Optimus_Steel]

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Isaac retires early to become a preacher.

[swarlesbarkley]

Posters really think the FO is holding Isaac out because he would hurt the tank? He doesn't look he's in game shape to me.

Pass the copium this way...

Yeah - just a casual shooting drill but the lack of any lift is a bit concerning.

Suggs had a little more lift on the last shot but for the most part they looked the same.

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True. It's a casual drill - just noticing the lack of lift and only landing on the left leg.

[The Real Dalic]

People love to attack personally around here. The quality of this place sure has gone down.

Also, I read just fine. It's easy to read what people mean in politics. I've dealt with these types of conversations all the time.

If you’re dealing with it “all the time”, maybe you should examine why. Take the inflammatory stuff somewhere else

I've been here 8 years longer than you. I've never seen this board as bad and with people as angry or disrespectful as it currently is.

Sure, there was the occasional Adonis, but almost everyone tended to be peaceful. A lot more people around here nowadays loves to take direct shots at people just for having a different opinion on things. You were one of them. I now see your apology was a fake one.

I also see no reason why I have to leave when I've been around far longer and am not the inflammatory one.