Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

As per my previous post

Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
AD
KAT

Giannis and AD aren’t centers. Bam starts and plays center full time, neither Giannis or AD do. KAT isn’t better, dude is a dog **** defender and can’t even make the playoffs. He’s empty stats like cousins was.

You all are grasping for straws trying to find ways to knock down Bam. The great basketball minds see how great and how much of a freak he is as you see by what the GM said.

You all are mad at Bam for averaging an efficient 19-10-3 while being the best defender in the world at 24 years old because he’s not averaging 25-12. Don’t worry it’s going to happen soon.

The only one mad is you. No one is knocking bam. Just taking off my heat goggles and being honest. Bam is a PF playing out of position.. so what if he started as centre for the heat or plays there most of the time. If he’s a PF/C why can’t he be compared to AD or Giannis?

If KAT was on this team (if the butler thing didn’t happen) we would be a better team overall. If you think bam on the timberwolves would make them a play off team your cappin

You made Giannis and AD centers, one guy who doesn’t play center and the other who absolutely refuses it lol

[Heat_Down_Under]

Giannis and AD aren’t centers. Bam starts and plays center full time, neither Giannis or AD do. KAT isn’t better, dude is a dog **** defender and can’t even make the playoffs. He’s empty stats like cousins was.

You all are grasping for straws trying to find ways to knock down Bam. The great basketball minds see how great and how much of a freak he is as you see by what the GM said.

You all are mad at Bam for averaging an efficient 19-10-3 while being the best defender in the world at 24 years old because he’s not averaging 25-12. Don’t worry it’s going to happen soon.

The only one mad is you. No one is knocking bam. Just taking off my heat goggles and being honest. Bam is a PF playing out of position.. so what if he started as centre for the heat or plays there most of the time. If he’s a PF/C why can’t he be compared to AD or Giannis?

If KAT was on this team (if the butler thing didn’t happen) we would be a better team overall. If you think bam on the timberwolves would make them a play off team your cappin

You made Giannis and AD centers, one guy who doesn’t play center and the other who absolutely refuses it lol

And u made bam Kevin Garnett coz apparently if he was on the timberwolves he would get them to the play offs coz KAT can’t.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The only one mad is you. No one is knocking bam. Just taking off my heat goggles and being honest. Bam is a PF playing out of position.. so what if he started as centre for the heat or plays there most of the time. If he’s a PF/C why can’t he be compared to AD or Giannis?

If KAT was on this team (if the butler thing didn’t happen) we would be a better team overall. If you think bam on the timberwolves would make them a play off team your cappin

You made Giannis and AD centers, one guy who doesn’t play center and the other who absolutely refuses it lol

And u made bam Kevin Garnett coz apparently if he was on the timberwolves he would get them to the play offs coz KAT can’t.

KAT is a Perrinial loser, if that’s who you want go for it lmao!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Patience, thank you Wade and Bam

[AirP.]

I've given you the #s, if you want to reach for rationalizations to dismiss them then that's your prerogative

And no I don't like the idea of maxing anyone early. I was against doing it with Bam and I'm against it with Herro. That said, I'm not privy to knowing whether there'd be any consequences of not doing so in terms of the relationship between player and team

Yes, you gave me the numbers and with that I gave the context of that data since Beal and Booker were starters while Herro is mostly coming off the bench so there's a possible large variance there, then when you look at what Herro has done this year starting 10 games vs what he did coming off the bench it would lead most objectively looking at the data to think it's easier coming off the bench then starting but yes, there isn't a ton of data but it's the data we have.

[RexBoyWonder]

I guess with the Herro situation it all comes down to if dipo comes back and performs like his old self. If so he needs to get paid aswell. Bit of a predicament.

Let's hope Dipo plays so well that it becomes a tax issue for us.

If Dipo can really look great again we'll keep him regardless - we have his full bird rights. It might mean we'll need to move Duncan in the offseason to ease up the tax burden for next year. But if Duncan play well going forward, I expect us us to keep the current group for next season. Martin and Dedmon will need to split the MLE, if they won't, we'll need to let one of them go.

[RexBoyWonder]

Crazy how deep this team got, it's pretty amazing.

Lowry/Gabe/ Guy
Duncan/Herro
Jimmy/Strus
Tucker/Martin /KZ/Morris
Bam/Dedmon /Omer

feels like at least 10 guys earned playoffs minutes, and even Guy and Omer have a case.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[AirP.]

I guess with the Herro situation it all comes down to if dipo comes back and performs like his old self. If so he needs to get paid aswell. Bit of a predicament.

Let's hope Dipo plays so well that it becomes a tax issue for us.

If Dipo can really look great again we'll keep him regardless - we have his full bird rights. It might mean we'll need to move Duncan in the offseason to ease up the tax burden for next year. But if Duncan play well going forward, I expect us us to keep the current group for next season. Martin and Dedmon will need to split the MLE, if they won't, we'll need to let one of them go.

It's really more then that and there had to be at least one long term plan in play before they signed Lowry this offseason. If Oladipo isn't good it's a non factor but if he's good, he's 29 and this is probably his last chance at getting a good contract in the NBA, even though he wants to be in Miami, if they don't offer him somewhere near what he could get elsewhere Miami could lose him for nothing right after Houston swaps Miami's pick with Brooklyn's(which may be an issue with Kyrie coming back). So just trading Robinson might not be good enough, if he were moved in the season you could bring back expiring contracts, if he's not moved during the season you need the other team just to take all/most of the salary with little to none coming back to help with the tax. It's no longer just about Robinson being good enough to go into the tax, it's now to the point he's that much better then who on the roster that could replace him like Strus(or whoever may be close to taking his spot) to pay that much more luxury tax to retain Robinson.

There's a lot of wrinkles coming up, after next season Herro, Strus, Vincent and maybe Yurtseven are up for new contracts, Lowry will be in his 3rd year so maybe they have a deal with him to get rid of the 3rd year and give him a 2 year contract like they did with Dragic to lighten the tax.

The longer Robinson is on this team, the more interesting things could get. Also, resigning Duncan was the only way for Miami to have a possible sizable salary to move, I wouldn't be surprised in some, for example Robinson for Covington which would allow Miami to convert Martin to a min contract which would make him eligible for the playoffs. It's possible with COVID still around they may allow 2-ways to be playoff eligible like they did last year.

[RexBoyWonder]

I guess with the Herro situation it all comes down to if dipo comes back and performs like his old self. If so he needs to get paid aswell. Bit of a predicament.

Let's hope Dipo plays so well that it becomes a tax issue for us.

If Dipo can really look great again we'll keep him regardless - we have his full bird rights. It might mean we'll need to move Duncan in the offseason to ease up the tax burden for next year. But if Duncan play well going forward, I expect us us to keep the current group for next season. Martin and Dedmon will need to split the MLE, if they won't, we'll need to let one of them go.

It's really more then that and there had to be at least one long term plan in play before they signed Lowry this offseason. If Oladipo isn't good it's a non factor but if he's good, he's 29 and this is probably his last chance at getting a good contract in the NBA, even though he wants to be in Miami, if they don't offer him somewhere near what he could get elsewhere Miami could lose him for nothing right after Houston swaps Miami's pick with Brooklyn's(which may be an issue with Kyrie coming back). So just trading Robinson might not be good enough, if he were moved in the season you could bring back expiring contracts, if he's not moved during the season you need the other team just to take all/most of the salary with little to none coming back to help with the tax. It's no longer just about Robinson being good enough to go into the tax, it's now to the point he's that much better then who on the roster that could replace him like Strus(or whoever may be close to taking his spot) to pay that much more luxury tax to retain Robinson.

There's a lot of wrinkles coming up, after next season Herro, Strus, Vincent and maybe Yurtseven are up for new contracts, Lowry will be in his 3rd year so maybe they have a deal with him to get rid of the 3rd year and give him a 2 year contract like they did with Dragic to lighten the tax.

The longer Robinson is on this team, the more interesting things could get. Also, resigning Duncan was the only way for Miami to have a possible sizable salary to move, I wouldn't be surprised in some, for example Robinson for Covington which would allow Miami to convert Martin to a min contract which would make him eligible for the playoffs. It's possible with COVID still around they may allow 2-ways to be playoff eligible like they did last year.

We don't need to move Duncan this season, we could give Martin a min contract around mid March and still stay under the tax.

Only way we move him this trade deadline is if we find a way to upgrade, probably for a PF since Matin and Strus are rotation worthy wings.

[greg4012]

Great article on Yurt--worth a read. I really think we have something here. THe hope for him to be a reliable floor spacer on offense is realistic IMO. Probably not this season.

https://www.nba.com/heat/news/omer-yurtseven-passes-trial-by-fire

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Let's hope Dipo plays so well that it becomes a tax issue for us.

If Dipo can really look great again we'll keep him regardless - we have his full bird rights. It might mean we'll need to move Duncan in the offseason to ease up the tax burden for next year. But if Duncan play well going forward, I expect us us to keep the current group for next season. Martin and Dedmon will need to split the MLE, if they won't, we'll need to let one of them go.

It's really more then that and there had to be at least one long term plan in play before they signed Lowry this offseason. If Oladipo isn't good it's a non factor but if he's good, he's 29 and this is probably his last chance at getting a good contract in the NBA, even though he wants to be in Miami, if they don't offer him somewhere near what he could get elsewhere Miami could lose him for nothing right after Houston swaps Miami's pick with Brooklyn's(which may be an issue with Kyrie coming back). So just trading Robinson might not be good enough, if he were moved in the season you could bring back expiring contracts, if he's not moved during the season you need the other team just to take all/most of the salary with little to none coming back to help with the tax. It's no longer just about Robinson being good enough to go into the tax, it's now to the point he's that much better then who on the roster that could replace him like Strus(or whoever may be close to taking his spot) to pay that much more luxury tax to retain Robinson.

There's a lot of wrinkles coming up, after next season Herro, Strus, Vincent and maybe Yurtseven are up for new contracts, Lowry will be in his 3rd year so maybe they have a deal with him to get rid of the 3rd year and give him a 2 year contract like they did with Dragic to lighten the tax.

The longer Robinson is on this team, the more interesting things could get. Also, resigning Duncan was the only way for Miami to have a possible sizable salary to move, I wouldn't be surprised in some, for example Robinson for Covington which would allow Miami to convert Martin to a min contract which would make him eligible for the playoffs. It's possible with COVID still around they may allow 2-ways to be playoff eligible like they did last year.

We don't need to move Duncan this season, we could give Martin a min contract around mid March and still stay under the tax.

Only way we move him this trade deadline is if we find a way to upgrade, probably for a PF since Matin and Strus are rotation worthy wings.

If the idea is to get a smaller contract and/or dump most of the salary I think it would be way easier to do it for an expiring contract this season vs bringing back little to no money this summer, not sure if many teams with cap space are going to want to use it on taking on Robinson. The tax clock for Miami probably starts next season.

It is possible that depth will come into play more in the playoffs vs having the best normal rotation where it's worth having a guy like Strus or Robinson get less minutes then what you'd expect each to get.

[al bondiga]

I would take Jokic and Embiid over Bam at center right now. But that’s about it. Bam has been playing mostly center and he could very well stay there his whole career. I would put Bam, Gobert and KAT in the next group of centers. I personally rather have Bam from that group.

1. Jokic (MVP level)
2. Embiid (MVP level)

3. Bam
4. Gobert
5. KAT

6. Allen
7. Ayton
He's off of safe game. Valanciunas

bam has been playing Center to cover lacks in the team and to cover a lack of Vision in Eric's head... not to say that he is a bad coach...but we all know he is "squared"

bam has the size and strength to have the highest ceiling for a big and young player in the NBA

But let's not get confused ...he is not at Center and would never be, unless the position changes A LOT and never develops his Nimble offensive game and shot

[AirP.]

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[AirP.]

I would take Jokic and Embiid over Bam at center right now. But that’s about it. Bam has been playing mostly center and he could very well stay there his whole career. I would put Bam, Gobert and KAT in the next group of centers. I personally rather have Bam from that group.

1. Jokic (MVP level)
2. Embiid (MVP level)

3. Bam
4. Gobert
5. KAT

6. Allen
7. Ayton
He's off of safe game. Valanciunas

bam has been playing Center to cover lacks in the team and to cover a lack of Vision in Eric's head... not to say that he is a bad coach...but we all know he is "squared"

bam has the size and strength to have the highest ceiling for a big and young player in the NBA

But let's not get confused ...he is not at Center and would never be, unless the position changes A LOT and never develops his Nimble offensive game and shot

The definitions for positions have been changing for a while now. While he's not a center in the traditionally sense he plays the center position and he guards the center position, that basically makes him a center sense he's handling the Center positions duties for Miami. Bam's listed as a Center-Forward on the Miami Heat website, then again KZ is labeled a Forward-Guard on the Heat website.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I would take Jokic and Embiid over Bam at center right now. But that’s about it. Bam has been playing mostly center and he could very well stay there his whole career. I would put Bam, Gobert and KAT in the next group of centers. I personally rather have Bam from that group.

1. Jokic (MVP level)
2. Embiid (MVP level)

3. Bam
4. Gobert
5. KAT

6. Allen
7. Ayton
He's off of safe game. Valanciunas

bam has been playing Center to cover lacks in the team and to cover a lack of Vision in Eric's head... not to say that he is a bad coach...but we all know he is "squared"

bam has the size and strength to have the highest ceiling for a big and young player in the NBA

But let's not get confused ...he is not at Center and would never be, unless the position changes A LOT and never develops his Nimble offensive game and shot

The definitions for positions have been changing for a while now. While he's not a center in the traditionally sense he plays the center position and he guards the center position, that basically makes him a center sense he's handling the Center positions duties for Miami. Bam's listed as a Center-Forward on the Miami Heat website, then again KZ is labeled a Forward-Guard on the Heat website.

Idk why this is so hard to understand.

[DayofMourning]

Was reading that Tyler's five 30 point games off the bench this season is the same number as all other 30 point games as a reserve in Heat history. Wow.

Also, Yurt's double digit rebounding streak is tied with Blake Griffin for best since the merger. Yowza.

[DayofMourning]

Also, Miami is 8 and 3 in those Yurt games.

[AirP.]

bam has been playing Center to cover lacks in the team and to cover a lack of Vision in Eric's head... not to say that he is a bad coach...but we all know he is "squared"

bam has the size and strength to have the highest ceiling for a big and young player in the NBA

But let's not get confused ...he is not at Center and would never be, unless the position changes A LOT and never develops his Nimble offensive game and shot

The definitions for positions have been changing for a while now. While he's not a center in the traditionally sense he plays the center position and he guards the center position, that basically makes him a center sense he's handling the Center positions duties for Miami. Bam's listed as a Center-Forward on the Miami Heat website, then again KZ is labeled a Forward-Guard on the Heat website.

Idk why this is so hard to understand.

I would guess because of an age gap, an older fan remembers the NBA a certain way vs a younger fan remembers it a different way, the game is played vastly different then it was just 10 years ago. Personally I don't enjoy the current era of basketball like the older era of basketball before everyone seemed to be able to shoot 3s, I think the 3pt shot has become so normalized that if it's worth 50% more then a regular shot, maybe it's time to move it back some... and remove the corner 3s.

[AirP.]

Listening to David Aldridge's podcast on The Athletic, they're saying their heard Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown and Joe Ingles are available.