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Matches Malone · Post #481 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:30 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Just like how I willed PJ Tucker into existence last season (you're welcome), I'm willing Naz Reid into existence now. Make it happen Horst.

What happened to manifesting Thad Young? I was starting to like that idea.

RogerMurdock · Post #482 » by **RogerMurdock** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:40 pm

thonnisbeastley wrote:Barnes/Hield/Haliburton for Middleton/DDV/Nwora

Ruben Quevedo · Post #483 » by **Ruben Quevedo** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:49 pm

Barnes/Halliburton for Middleton is an absolute no brainer. There's no way that's on the table though. And we would never do it anyway because of the politics involved.

raferfenix · Post #484 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:07 pm

What's tough about Donte is that if he plays great it makes it less likely we can keep him on the QO or a modest extension.

I also wonder whether Wes Matthews' surprisingly solid play impacts how much the Bucks feel like we need Donte this season vs what he could bring back in a trade.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #485 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:All this talk about Jrue and Middleton "aging/declining" in the next 1-2 years, yet you look around the league at the top contenders and the ages of their core guys....

PHX: Paul (36)
GS: Curry (33), Klay (31 on a bum knee), Dray (31)
BKN: Durant (33), Harden (32)
MIA: Butler (32), Lowry (35)
LAC: Kawhi (30 and on a bum knee), George (31 and may be out for the year)

Which one of those front offices seriously considers blowing up the core as soon as this offseason?

The problem is those guys are the main piece. Our main piece doesn't align with rest of core. Also big difference of all time greats like Durant, lebron and harden aging to borderline all stars of midds and holiday declining.

And heat should blow it up as soon as possible. Thought building around butler and Lowry was a huge mistake.

Ron Swanson · Post #486 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm

I don't really get this obsession that people have with this idea that you need your Big-3 to all line up perfectly age-wise, especially when we have like, 50+ years of evidence that proves the old adage of veteran teams win championships. Jrue's arguably playing the best ball of his career right now. I mean, hell, these guys just turned 30 and 31 respectively. They're quite literally in the prime years of their careers still. Conversely, how many times has a 21-year old been the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team? ......Kobe? Basically that's the list?

flaco · Post #487 » by **flaco** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:58 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I don't really get this obsession that people have with this idea that you need your Big-3 to all line up perfectly age-wise, especially when we have like, 50+ years of evidence that proves the old adage of veteran teams win championships. Jrue's arguably playing the best ball of his career right now. I mean, hell, these guys just turned 30 and 31 respectively. They're quite literally in the prime years of their careers still. Conversely, how many times has a 21-year old been the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team? ......Kobe? Basically that's the list?

First name that comes to mind is Magic. He won Finals MVP in his rookie season at the age of 20 (almost 21). Off the top of my head, I cannot think of anybody else. It's definitely a short list. Kobe was almost 22 when he won his first ring.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #488 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:06 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I don't really get this obsession that people have with this idea that you need your Big-3 to all line up perfectly age-wise, especially when we have like, 50+ years of evidence that proves the old adage of veteran teams win championships. Jrue's arguably playing the best ball of his career right now. I mean, hell, these guys just turned 30 and 31 respectively. They're quite literally in the prime years of their careers still. Conversely, how many times has a 21-year old been the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team? ......Kobe? Basically that's the list?

I will say jrue playing great the last month makes me feel better. If we lost to the nets, our perception of Jrue would be so different right.

My main concern wasnt age, but rather spending 80m on a 2 and 3 that are bordline all stars and possibly on the verge of declining? Giannis had one of the weakest cores of a nba champion as is and our cap doesn't allow us to upgrade our roster if we need it.

DingleJerry · Post #489 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:08 pm

Others I thought of. Kyrie would've been 22-24ish for those Finals runs and when they won it. Tony Parker was 21 for the first title and obviously just a few years old for the next ones.

Ayt · Post #490 » by **Ayt** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:26 pm

Ruben Quevedo wrote:Barnes/Halliburton for Middleton is an absolute no brainer. There's no way that's on the table though. And we would never do it anyway because of the politics involved.

Is it really only "politics" that would keep the team from doing that if it were possible?

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #491 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:04 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Others I thought of. Kyrie would've been 22-24ish for those Finals runs and when they won it. Tony Parker was 21 for the first title and obviously just a few years old for the next ones.

KL was under 23 when he won FMVP, but he probably was 4th (?) best player on the team at the time. Though if we traded for someone like Haliburton, him being the 3rd to 4th best player is fine. We would be asking Giannis to do the heavy lifting like he has been.

raferfenix · Post #492 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:37 pm

I badly want Brook to come back and even if he can't I think he could be a highly valuable piece next year.

However, if Lopez is out for the season, I could imagine ownership looking for a win now deal...that also just so happens to save them money by getting off the last year of his contract.

Thinking about what a Donte + BroLo kind of package could bring back in that scenario.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #493 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:38 pm

Would Giannis even allow us to trade Middleton or Jrue?

DingleJerry · Post #494 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Others I thought of. Kyrie would've been 22-24ish for those Finals runs and when they won it. Tony Parker was 21 for the first title and obviously just a few years old for the next ones.

KL was under 23 when he won FMVP, but he probably was 4th (?) best player on the team at the time. Though if we traded for someone like Haliburton, him being the 3rd to 4th best player is fine. We would be asking Giannis to do the heavy lifting like he has been.

4th? What is Delladova better than him? He'd be at worst case 3rd behind Love and most would say 2. We can argue advanced stuff and I'm generally a Kyrie 'hater' in terms of stuff like that, but most people would view him as the "#2 star" on that team after LBJ. Keep in mind the other comparable level of 'star' is Love who most would also say wasn't really thaaat good, overrated, etc, so it's tough and imo a big stretch to not call Kyrie the #2 guy.

Personally, I think JR Smith was way underrated on those teams but no way anyone is gonna say he's the number two or three.

raferfenix · Post #495 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:48 pm

Matches Malone wrote:What happened to manifesting Thad Young? I was starting to like that idea.

I couldn't care less about the Bucks ponying up tax dollars like they promised Giannis they would...but some kind of BroLo + incentive for Young would save LED serious money.

I'm not clear on how good Thad still is (or how good of a fit he'd be). It'd also be a big difference if we could pull it off for Nwora and magic beans as opposed to needing to include Donte.

Either way Young has vocalized that he wants to go to a contender, which Pop seems likely to facilitate somehow:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/12/thaddeus-young-wants-to-join-contender.html

Milbucks96 · Post #496 » by **Milbucks96** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Others I thought of. Kyrie would've been 22-24ish for those Finals runs and when they won it. Tony Parker was 21 for the first title and obviously just a few years old for the next ones.

KL was under 23 when he won FMVP, but he probably was 4th (?) best player on the team at the time. Though if we traded for someone like Haliburton, him being the 3rd to 4th best player is fine. We would be asking Giannis to do the heavy lifting like he has been.

4th? What is Delladova better than him? He'd be at worst case 3rd behind Love and most would say 2. We can argue advanced stuff and I'm generally a Kyrie 'hater' in terms of stuff like that, but most people would view him as the "#2 star" on that team after LBJ. Keep in mind the other comparable level of 'star' is Love who most would also say wasn't really thaaat good, overrated, etc, so it's tough and imo a big stretch to not call Kyrie the #2 guy.

Personally, I think JR Smith was way underrated on those teams but no way anyone is gonna say he's the number two or three.

I think he’s talking about Kawhi

TroyD92 · Post #497 » by **TroyD92** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:56 pm

Why would you even consider trading Jrue. He's been the 2nd best player on this team by a mile

DingleJerry · Post #498 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:59 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:KL was under 23 when he won FMVP, but he probably was 4th (?) best player on the team at the time. Though if we traded for someone like Haliburton, him being the 3rd to 4th best player is fine. We would be asking Giannis to do the heavy lifting like he has been.

4th? What is Delladova better than him? He'd be at worst case 3rd behind Love and most would say 2. We can argue advanced stuff and I'm generally a Kyrie 'hater' in terms of stuff like that, but most people would view him as the "#2 star" on that team after LBJ. Keep in mind the other comparable level of 'star' is Love who most would also say wasn't really thaaat good, overrated, etc, so it's tough and imo a big stretch to not call Kyrie the #2 guy.

Personally, I think JR Smith was way underrated on those teams but no way anyone is gonna say he's the number two or three.

I think he’s talking about Kawhi

Oh my bad. Misread the KL for KI. Yup makes way more sense now.

flaco · Post #499 » by **flaco** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:00 pm

FlagsFlyForever wrote:Would Giannis even allow us to trade Middleton or Jrue?

Giannis and Middleton are teammates since 2013! Jrue joined the team last season. I assume he'd be more annoyed if we traded Middleton. Remember Giannis' words right after game 6? He was looking at Middleton: ''We did it, huh? We f***ing did it''! (...they hugged and high-fived...) ''I'm happy. This guy doesn't really know how much he pushed me. He pushes me every day to be great and I'm happy that I can step on the floor with this guy and play every single minute with this guy and the rest of the guys but Khris especially we've been together for 8 years and I'm happy I was able to do it with him (...)''

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Milbucks96 · Post #500 » by **Milbucks96** » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:36 pm

TroyD92 wrote:Why would you even consider trading Jrue. He's been the 2nd best player on this team by a mile

He’s the oldest, most injury prone, inconsistent shooter, even more inconsistent at the rim. Khris was better and more important during the run and has a game more compatible and complementary with Giannis. The Khris/Giannis pick and roll literally saved our season.

Jrue is on a great run right now but I’m choosing Khris over him any day idc how lazy khris is playing. Ideally you would upgrade both in the near future.