Who has more value in the league right now - Fred VanVleet or Ben Simmons?

[Raps in 4]

Fred. He's had more value for a while now.

All Simmons had going for him was the fact that he was two years younger. He never actually outperformed FVV as an NBA player. Now that he's 25 and still the same player he was when he entered the league, there isn't really much of a debate. FVV is simply the better player.

[ontnut]

Depends who you ask.
Morey clearly feels Simmons has more value.
I think we here mostly feel FVV has more value.
Most American fans I suspect value Simmons more.
A team that needs wing defence would value Simmons more.
A team that needs a PG and shooting would value FVV more.
Just given that most teams are fairly set at the PG position, I'd say that teams would value a DPOY wing defender and point forward more than an undersized guard. But it's definitely close.

If you look at most of the contenders right now, I'd think they'd rather slot in Simmons than Fred to their lineup. If Fred makes the ASG this year and continues playing at this clip throughout the season and into next season, I suspect then Fred would have more value across the league.

[Ref_from_hell]

Fred has way more value.

Simmons cannot shoot, has a terrible attitude, and doesn't get along with teammates.

Fred is the complete opposite.

[BHF]

Around the league its Simmons has more value, but for the raptors its fvv

[Badonkadonk]

A guard who can't shoot is useless in the playoffs.

Fred is more valuable in absolute terms, but if you incorporate contract value, the difference in value is massive.

[Kingsway_fan]

if fred were in any US market let alone one of the big east coast or west coast teams, he would be talked about on espn regularly ...

if Simmons were in toronto, he would vanish from us media coverage ...

[vulture]

A guard who can't shoot is useless in the playoffs.

Fred is more valuable in absolute terms, but if you incorporate contract value, the difference in value is massive.

Just the shooting alone makes Fred more valuable, and Fred is no slouch on defense either.

[kalel123]

Under normal circumstances, I would say Ben Simmons. While his flaws are fairly significant and obvious by now, he also has significant natural talent that could make him great if his flaw is fixed. I still think there would be a lot of GM's around the league that would think they got what it takes to fix his flaws.

However, currently, it's difficult to say because Morey's f'ed it up so badly that no team in their right mind would be willing to give up players/picks of significant value. But under the right circumstances, Simmons could still garner modest value if Morey's demand comes back to a more realistic level.

As to FVV, it's a mystery to me how much value teams would put on his recent hot streak. He needs to sustain that for a lot longer for it to be of significant consideration.

[Morris_Shatford]

I think Fred could potentially contribute more to winning;
But Simmons has more value.

[Reeko]

If it's on court value, then it's obviously Fred. If we're talking about perceived value around the league, then I don't see how the answer isn't Simmons. And I would take Fred over Ben.

[YogurtProducer]

Fred - his contract is a **** steal

[GreatWhiteStiff]

It depends if you're trying to dissasociate their value from their contracts, which is kind of hard to do. Given their contracts, I'd say fred. Given the drama/sitting out/potential mental health and performance issues with ben it might be fred anyways.

[Parataxis]

If Philly offered Toronto Simmons for FVV straight up, Toronto would politely decline.

I suspect that a majority of league GMs would say that Toronto would have made the right call if they declined.

That suggests to me that Fred has higher value at this point in time.

[Vampirate]

Simmons is more limited than Fred offensively despite fed being 6"0 and Simmons having the height of a center.

In the playoffs Fred has already proven he has more value than Simmons unless Simmons drastically changes his mentality.

[Grew]

Really it just depends on what your organization is looking for.

An elite 3+D point guard with top end leadership qualities.

Or a big/athletic underachiever with a bad attitude who lacks one of the most important skills in modern NBA basketball.

Really just depends who your franchise is run by

[TorontoRapsFan]

Regardless of media and fan narrative about Simmons, I can't see any winning team wanting to take him on. That's negative value for them. Only team's that are looking for a name player and hoping to break out of obscurity will take a gamble on him. I swear if he doesn't play this year, next time he plays it will be for some one year try out contract, and repeat until he fades away like an Isiah Thomas or Demarcus Cousins.

[mdenny]

Fredamd simmons together would be the best backcourt in the league.

Go for it masai.

[Knucknbuc]

Simmons sucks ass can y’all stop talking about poor man’s Lamar odom? He can’t shoot so therefore is completely useless if he’s not 3 feet from the basket until proven otherwise he’s target version Avery Bradley


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[KawhiSoSerious]

I don't think it really matters that Ben has been an All Star and All NBA Player. Fred's value contract and non-disruptive nature in comparison to Ben puts him over the edge for me. Skills alone I think they are fairly close, but the intangibles are incredibly favourable for Senior.

[Indeed]

I think he is referring to how these guys are valued among NBA executives not fans and media.

I think FVV performing at the level he is playing at, his salary, character and the fact he’s proven he can play in the playoffs is the reason why he would be more valued than Simmons.

Remember, if Simmons had any value he would’ve been dealt already. Don’t think Morey’s plan is to waste Embiid’s prime.

Fred should be valued higher given all of the above. Whether he is looked upon that way by rival organizations I'm not sure...and that is really what matters when it comes to his value on the open market and trade market.

I think he is especially after last year’s playoffs where Simmons single handedly lost them that series. All-star appearances don’t mean much because it’s largely a popularity contest and ALL-NBA teams are usually awarded to players on winning teams. Executives know how much value these guys bring. Therefore I’m quite confident in saying that most executives would value FVV over Simmons.

And Simmons is contributing 0 point (0 minute) isn't going to give him any value. Same as Dragic, where people don't see him play at a high level, they may not see him as a valuable player.

When someone is not healthy (regardless of physical or mental), they wouldn't be the same value.