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Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#861 » by StunnerKO » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:20 pm

nomorezorro wrote:what's the benefit of giving up djj for ibaka?

Think adding size , defense and shooting , Batum would be the DJJ replacement who has been great on defense this year and shooting 39%. Two playoff tested players
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Post#862 » by HomoSapien » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:26 pm

nomorezorro wrote:what's the benefit of giving up djj for ibaka?


It’s Batum and Ibaka for essentially DJJ.

Ibaka brings more championship experience to the roster, but more importantly gives us some depth behind Vuc. I think we’re all really underestimating how dependent we are on Vuc. If he were to go down for any reason in the playoffs we’d be stuck with Bradley and no other options. Ibaka at least could buy us some time to get Vuc healthy again.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#863 » by nomorezorro » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:43 pm

is 32 year old serge ibaka better than bradley?

even if he is, i think you'd be better off hunting through the scrapheap of backup c options than taking on serge's salary for a marginal upgrade
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Post#864 » by sdeezy » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:51 pm

Obviously Batum would be a great pickup but honestly dont see why the Clippers would do that deal. He's a really good 3 & D guy, efficient, cheap as hell contract and is the exact kinda wing depth you want behind Kawhi and PG when they get back. Clippers will be in win now mode next year
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Post#865 » by StunnerKO » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:25 pm

Batum has an opt out after this year if he keeps having a solid year he’s leaving for his last potential pay day so it’s not a certain he stays with the clippers
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#866 » by TyrusRose2425 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:29 am

I don't see the need to trade a 1st for Batum. What is his market going to be? How many contenders can actually absord his salary? Trade the TPE and a 2nd for him. Ship out a 2nd with Matt Thomas somewhere to get us under the tax.

PG- Ball/Ayo
SG- Lavine/Coby
SF- DeRozan/Caruso
PF- Batum/Green
C- Vucevic/DJJ

Then you close your eyes and dream of Coby + Pat + Portland 1st + Vucevic for Jokic in the summer :lol:
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Post#867 » by Bulls2021 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:30 am

TyrusRose2425 wrote:I don't see the need to trade a 1st for Batum. What is his market going to be? How many contenders can actually absord his salary? Trade the TPE and a 2nd for him. Ship out a 2nd with Matt Thomas somewhere to get us under the tax.

How many 2nds do we have?
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#868 » by cool007 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am

With the news of Paul George could be out for the season and Kawhi as well - Clippers could be sellers this trade deadline.

So in that case, how about we target Surge Ibaka??? I think he would fit in very nicely. He can knock down 3s, mid-range jumper, can play PF and Center and plays great defense.

I think he could be a cheap pickup plus his contract expires at the end of the season - so that helps too.
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Post#869 » by Jimmy Forums » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:38 am

Batum would be a nice add, but only for the CHEAP if possible; I’m not on board with giving the 1st for him. Troy Brown Jr maybe, don’t think the Clippers would slide him into our TPE for a couple 2nd rounders.

I hate to say Morris would be a nice piece for us in terms of that rebounding, as well as the size and toughness we need to throw at Giannis and KD. But tbh, I have never liked those guys and would throw off my unabridged love for the roster essentially top to bottom. Would be fine but I refuse to be excited about it beforehand.

Ibaka would also fill a need in an underwhelming way, but again would be fine.

If we could get two of these guys essentially for the price of DJJ I think is the only way I would *like* a deal for Morris or Ibaka.

Not very exciting but three experienced frontcourt players becoming available, we definitely need to check it out and trust that we will. Don’t wanna give up too much though, honestly. Need to make one of those “really? My team couldn’t beat that offer?” deals.
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Re: Options to fix the PF hole 

Post#870 » by Bulls2021 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:45 am

nomorezorro wrote:what's the benefit of giving up djj for ibaka?

Have you seen a picture of Ibaka wearing sweatpants?
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Post#871 » by Bulls2021 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:47 am

Jimmy Forums wrote:Batum would be a nice add, but only for the CHEAP if possible; I’m not on board with giving the 1st for him. Troy Brown Jr maybe, don’t think the Clippers would slide him into our TPE for a couple 2nd rounders.

I hate to say Morris would be a nice piece for us in terms of that rebounding, as well as the size and toughness we need to throw at Giannis and KD. But tbh, I have never liked those guys and would throw off my unabridged love for the roster essentially top to bottom. Would be fine but I refuse to be excited about it beforehand.

Ibaka would also fill a need in an underwhelming way, but again would be fine.

If we could get two of these guys essentially for the price of DJJ I think is the only way I would *like* a deal for Morris or Ibaka.

Not very exciting but three experienced frontcourt players becoming available, we definitely need to check it out and trust that we will. Don’t wanna give up too much though, honestly. Need to make one of those “really? My team couldn’t beat that offer?” deals.

No, no, no. Troy Brown Jr is blossoming into one hell of a player. Giving him up will be a HUGE mistake.
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Post#872 » by GimmeDat » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:47 am

It's a pity he's a) always injured and behind his recovery schedule, and b) a bit of a conservative nut job, because Jonathan Isaac is like the perfect fit in my mind, the healthy version at least. I went back and watched some highlights today... he was an uber athlete who moves and handles the ball so well for 6'10, had genuine DPOY potential, can shoot 3s and pull-ups off the dribble, just does it all. Could've been a perfect fit at the 4 and slide up to the backup 5 minutes. Obviously on the way out in Orlando with the circumstances there, but also the emergence of Franz Wagner.
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Post#873 » by Jimmy Forums » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:48 am

And not for nothing, he’s got a very good locker room reputation, along with ties to Billy Donovan from Oklahoma City and Artūras Karnišovas from Denver.

An interesting bit about Jerami Grant I had not seen pointed out yet.

I’m personally hoping that a previous poster was correct and the report about the Bulls preferring to deal Coby as opposed to Pat is outdated info. I’m absolutely willing to send Pat for Grant to chase our chance this season, and Grant could ultimately become a nice trade piece if he’s not in our long term future plans. Meanwhile I think Coby has obviously looked spectacular, and his improved ability to attack will be crucial to easing the load on DDR and Lavine in the postseason.

I wish there would be a way to keep DJJ but it would have to be him to make salaries work. Grant is clearly an upgrade and gives us the best starting five in basketball, but we’d actually be in the same spot needing to find backup bigs still. That said, I’d do it.

In my perfect world we trade Pat and DJJ for Grant, then Troy Brown Jr and a 2nd or something for Nic Batum. Then get another big on a buyout or something.
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Post#874 » by Bulls2021 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:50 am

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And not for nothing, he’s got a very good locker room reputation, along with ties to Billy Donovan from Oklahoma City and Artūras Karnišovas from Denver.

An interesting bit about Jerami Grant I had not seen pointed out yet.

I’m personally hoping that a previous poster was correct and the report about the Bulls preferring to deal Coby as opposed to Pat is outdated info. I’m absolutely willing to send Pat for Grant to chase our chance this season, and Grant could ultimately become a nice trade piece if he’s not in our long term future plans. Meanwhile I think Coby has obviously looked spectacular, and his improved ability to attack will be crucial to easing the load on DDR and Lavine in the postseason.

I wish there would be a way to keep DJJ but it would have to be him to make salaries work. Grant is clearly an upgrade and gives us the best starting five in basketball, but we’d actually be in the same spot needing to find backup bigs still. That said, I’d do it.

In my perfect world we trade Pat and DJJ for Grant, then Troy Brown Jr and a 2nd or something for Nic Batum. Then get another big on a buyout or something.

Hell yes. I agree with sending Pat and DJJ for Grant. I absolutely want to keep Coby at this point unless some team blows us away with a trade offer.
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Post#875 » by Jimmy Forums » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:51 am

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Jimmy Forums wrote:Batum would be a nice add, but only for the CHEAP if possible; I’m not on board with giving the 1st for him. Troy Brown Jr maybe, don’t think the Clippers would slide him into our TPE for a couple 2nd rounders.

I hate to say Morris would be a nice piece for us in terms of that rebounding, as well as the size and toughness we need to throw at Giannis and KD. But tbh, I have never liked those guys and would throw off my unabridged love for the roster essentially top to bottom. Would be fine but I refuse to be excited about it beforehand.

Ibaka would also fill a need in an underwhelming way, but again would be fine.

If we could get two of these guys essentially for the price of DJJ I think is the only way I would *like* a deal for Morris or Ibaka.

Not very exciting but three experienced frontcourt players becoming available, we definitely need to check it out and trust that we will. Don’t wanna give up too much though, honestly. Need to make one of those “really? My team couldn’t beat that offer?” deals.

No, no, no. Troy Brown Jr is blossoming into one hell of a player. Giving him up will be a HUGE mistake.

I agree, I like him too. Unfortunately he’s in a loaded backcourt, including on the bench unit.

I’m 100% with you on the direction Brown’s development is taking, really like what he could be eventually. But we’re thinking a little bit in “now” terms, and other teams see his value too. He’s a perfect piece to make a nice little move.
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Post#876 » by Jimmy Forums » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:53 am

GimmeDat wrote:It's a pity he's a) always injured and behind his recovery schedule, and b) a bit of a conservative nut job, because Jonathan Isaac is like the perfect fit in my mind, the healthy version at least. I went back and watched some highlights today... he was an uber athlete who moves and handles the ball so well for 6'10, had genuine DPOY potential, can shoot 3s and pull-ups off the dribble, just does it all. Could've been a perfect fit at the 4 and slide up to the backup 5 minutes. Obviously on the way out in Orlando with the circumstances there, but also the emergence of Franz Wagner.

Healthy Jonathan Isaac is who my 2k Bulls are running with.

Do we think he’s available? If he gave one iota of hope that he could be healthy I’d be alllllll over him as our 4.
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Post#877 » by Bulls2021 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:53 am

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Jimmy Forums wrote:Batum would be a nice add, but only for the CHEAP if possible; I’m not on board with giving the 1st for him. Troy Brown Jr maybe, don’t think the Clippers would slide him into our TPE for a couple 2nd rounders.

I hate to say Morris would be a nice piece for us in terms of that rebounding, as well as the size and toughness we need to throw at Giannis and KD. But tbh, I have never liked those guys and would throw off my unabridged love for the roster essentially top to bottom. Would be fine but I refuse to be excited about it beforehand.

Ibaka would also fill a need in an underwhelming way, but again would be fine.

If we could get two of these guys essentially for the price of DJJ I think is the only way I would *like* a deal for Morris or Ibaka.

Not very exciting but three experienced frontcourt players becoming available, we definitely need to check it out and trust that we will. Don’t wanna give up too much though, honestly. Need to make one of those “really? My team couldn’t beat that offer?” deals.

No, no, no. Troy Brown Jr is blossoming into one hell of a player. Giving him up will be a HUGE mistake.

I agree, I like him too. Unfortunately he’s in a loaded backcourt, including on the bench unit.

I’m 100% with you on the direction Brown’s development is taking, really like what he could be eventually. But we’re thinking a little bit in “now” terms, and other teams see his value too. He’s a perfect piece to make a nice little move.

Yeah, unfortunately I don't see much room for TBJ to develop into what he is capable of on this team. Would love to retain him next season, but I'm not sure it's possible.
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Post#878 » by Jimmy Forums » Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:55 am

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And not for nothing, he’s got a very good locker room reputation, along with ties to Billy Donovan from Oklahoma City and Artūras Karnišovas from Denver.

An interesting bit about Jerami Grant I had not seen pointed out yet.

I’m personally hoping that a previous poster was correct and the report about the Bulls preferring to deal Coby as opposed to Pat is outdated info. I’m absolutely willing to send Pat for Grant to chase our chance this season, and Grant could ultimately become a nice trade piece if he’s not in our long term future plans. Meanwhile I think Coby has obviously looked spectacular, and his improved ability to attack will be crucial to easing the load on DDR and Lavine in the postseason.

I wish there would be a way to keep DJJ but it would have to be him to make salaries work. Grant is clearly an upgrade and gives us the best starting five in basketball, but we’d actually be in the same spot needing to find backup bigs still. That said, I’d do it.

In my perfect world we trade Pat and DJJ for Grant, then Troy Brown Jr and a 2nd or something for Nic Batum. Then get another big on a buyout or something.

Hell yes. I agree with sending Pat and DJJ for Grant. I absolutely want to keep Coby at this point unless some team blows us away with a trade offer.

Agreed re: Coby. Only chance I move him is if it’s in some mega deal, packaged with Pat for the frontcourt player we need AND a replacement bench scorer. I don’t see that deal out there and also don’t think it would be in our best interest anyway.

I’ve completely flipped on Coby. If New Coby is legit then we need him long term paired with Caruso.
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Post#879 » by GimmeDat » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:00 am

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GimmeDat wrote:It's a pity he's a) always injured and behind his recovery schedule, and b) a bit of a conservative nut job, because Jonathan Isaac is like the perfect fit in my mind, the healthy version at least. I went back and watched some highlights today... he was an uber athlete who moves and handles the ball so well for 6'10, had genuine DPOY potential, can shoot 3s and pull-ups off the dribble, just does it all. Could've been a perfect fit at the 4 and slide up to the backup 5 minutes. Obviously on the way out in Orlando with the circumstances there, but also the emergence of Franz Wagner.

Healthy Jonathan Isaac is who my 2k Bulls are running with.

Do we think he’s available? If he gave one iota of hope that he could be healthy I’d be alllllll over him as our 4.


I'd be concerned about the fact he's been out for as long as he has. There was recently some footage of him getting shots up where I don't think he looked particularly healthy yet, but it's hard to say. The Magic have been pretty hush on updates I think.

Salary wise, you can do DJJ+TBJ, but that's giving up 2 expiring deals for a guy on the books for 4 more years - Orlando would potentially need to add a sweetener to that, I think.

I'm not sure it makes sense for the Bulls to take a blind stab at a guy with his injury history when there's players who are out and producing right now on similar salaries. We need a sure bet here to capitalise on our window right now, and his contract means that trading for him is a commitment that ruins flexibility to make other improvements to the roster, even if in terms of the players being given up, it seems like a relative 'flier'. There's also his vaccination status as well.

Only scenario I could possibly justify it is if I was all in for PWill at the 4, and wanted to keep Coby, and was willing to concede a run this year with our current roster construction, and his rehab was looking promising.
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Post#880 » by Jimmy Forums » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:06 am

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GimmeDat wrote:It's a pity he's a) always injured and behind his recovery schedule, and b) a bit of a conservative nut job, because Jonathan Isaac is like the perfect fit in my mind, the healthy version at least. I went back and watched some highlights today... he was an uber athlete who moves and handles the ball so well for 6'10, had genuine DPOY potential, can shoot 3s and pull-ups off the dribble, just does it all. Could've been a perfect fit at the 4 and slide up to the backup 5 minutes. Obviously on the way out in Orlando with the circumstances there, but also the emergence of Franz Wagner.

Healthy Jonathan Isaac is who my 2k Bulls are running with.

Do we think he’s available? If he gave one iota of hope that he could be healthy I’d be alllllll over him as our 4.


I'd be concerned about the fact he's been out for as long as he has. There was recently some footage of him getting shots up where I don't think he looked particularly healthy yet, but it's hard to say. The Magic have been pretty hush on updates I think.

Salary wise, you can do DJJ+TBJ, but that's giving up 2 expiring deals for a guy on the books for 4 more years - Orlando would potentially need to add a sweetener to that, I think.

I'm not sure it makes sense for the Bulls to take a blind stab at a guy with his injury history when there's players who are out and producing right now on similar salaries. We need a sure bet here to capitalise on our window right now, and his contract means that trading for him is a commitment that ruins flexibility to make other improvements to the roster, even if in terms of the players being given up, it seems like a relative 'flier'. There's also his vaccination status as well.

Only scenario I could possibly justify it is if I was all in for PWill at the 4, and wanted to keep Coby, and was willing to concede a run this year with our current roster construction, and his rehab was looking promising.

Agreed on all counts. Love the player profile and how he would theoretically fit on the team, but for a variety of reasons is not even close to worth the commitment combined with the risk involved. Especially not now in the middle of this season, again, for the exact reason you said. There are comparable guys putting up real numbers without unending injury concerns

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